I read your missive and I feel as it you his the hammer on the nail. As an African American we must remember who we are and where we came from. We must also walk in forgiveness and love. I agree with the job, education, health care, etc. statistics that you used. The National Urban League just did there annual "State of Black America" (here is the link http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20... but it was very disturbing. According to the current President of the Urban League Marc Morial,
"Despite the progress represented by the election of the first black president, blacks are twice as likely to be unemployed, three times as likely to live in poverty and more than six times as likely to be incarcerated, says the report, which was being released Wednesday."
We as a nation on all sides need to learn to discuss race issues without the personal attacks. It has to be done in an intelligent way. This nation is on the verge of falling apart and when it collapses it won't matter what race we are. We will all be pretty much screwed.
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Timwise.org
April, 20 2004
By Wise, Tim
To truly understand a nation, a culture, or its people, it helps to know what they take for granted.
After all, sometimes the things that go unspoken are more powerful than the spoken word, if for no other reason than the tendency of unspoken assumptions to reinforce core ways of thinking, feeling and acting, without ever having to be verbalized (and thus subjected to challenge) at all.
What's more, when people take certain things for granted, anything that goes against the grain of what they perceive as "normal" will tend to stand out like a sore thumb, and invite a hostility that seems reasonable, at least to those dispensing it, precisely because their unspoken assumptions have gone uninterrogated for so long.
Thus, every February I encounter people who are apoplectic at the thought of Black History Month, and who insist with no sense of irony or misgiving that there should be no such thing, since, after all, there is no White History Month--a position to which they can only adhere because they have taken for granted that "American history" as told to them previously was comprehensive and accurate, as opposed to being largely the particular history of the dominant group.
In other words, the normalcy of the white narrative, which has rendered every month since they popped out of their momma's wombs White History Month, escapes them, and makes the efforts of multiculturalists seem to be the unique break with an otherwise neutral color-blindness.
Sorta' like those who e-mail me on a semi-regular basis to insist, as if they have just stumbled upon a truth of unparalleled profundity, that there should be an Ivory Magazine to balance out Ebony, or that we need a White Entertainment Television network to balance out BET, or a NAAWP to balance out the NAACP.
Again, these dear souls ignore what is obvious to virtually all persons of color but which remains unseen by those whose reality gets to be viewed as the norm: namely, that there are already two Ivory Magazines--Vogue and Cosmopolitan; that there are several WETs, which just so happen to go by the names of CBS, NBC and ABC; and that the Fortune 500, U.S. Congress and Fraternal Orders of Police are all doing a pretty good job holding it down for us white folks on the organizational front. Just because the norm is not racially-named, doesn't mean it isn't racialized.
Likewise the ongoing backlash against affirmative action, by those who seem to believe that opportunity would truly be equal in the absence of these presumably unjust efforts to ensure access to jobs and higher education for persons of color.
We are to believe that before affirmative action things were fine, and that were such efforts abolished now, things would return to this utopic state of affairs: to hell with the persistent evidence that people of color continue to face discrimination in employment, housing, education and all other institutional settings in the U.S.
So if the University of Michigan gives applicants of color twenty points on a 150-point admission scale, so as to promote racial diversity and balance out the disadvantages to which such students are often subjected in their K-12 schooling experience, that is seen as unfair racial preference.
But when the same school gives out 16 points to kids from the lily-white Upper Peninsula, or four points for children of overwhelmingly white alumni, or ten points for students who went to the state's "top" schools (who will be disproportionately white), or 8 points for those who took a full slate of Advanced Placement classes in high schools (which classes are far less available in schools serving students of color), this is seen as perfectly fair, and not at all racially preferential.
What's more, the whites who received all those bonus points due to their racial and class position will not be thought of by anyone as having received unearned advantages, in spite of the almost entirely ascriptive nature of the categories into which they fell that qualified them for such bonuses. No matter their "qualifications," it will be taken for granted that any white student at a college or University belongs there.
This is why Jennifer Gratz, the lead plaintiff in the successful "reverse discrimination" suit against Michigan's undergraduate affirmative action policy, found it a supreme injustice that a few dozen black, Latino and American Indian students were admitted ahead of her, despite having lower SATs and grades; but she thought nothing of the fact that more than 1400 other white students also were admitted ahead of her and her co-plaintiffs, despite having lower scores and grades.
"Lesser qualified" whites are acceptable, you see, while "lesser qualified" people of color must be eliminated from their unearned perches of opportunity. This is the kind of racist logic that people like Gratz, who now heads up the state?s anti-affirmative action initiative with the financial backing of Ward Connerly, find acceptable.
This kind of logic also explains the effort of whites at Roger Williams University to start a "white scholarship fund," on the pretense that scholarships for students of color are unfair and place whites at a disadvantage.
This, despite the unmentioned fact that about 93 percent of all college scholarship money goes to whites; despite the fact that students of color at elite and expensive colleges come from families with about half the average income of whites; despite the fact that there are scholarships for pretty much every kind of student under the sun, including children of Tupperware dealers, kids whose parents raise horses, kids who are left-handed, kids whose families descend from the founding fathers: you name it, and there's money available for it.
While there are plenty of whites unable to afford college, the fault for this unhappy reality lies not with minority scholarships, but rather with the decisions of almost exclusively white University elites to raise the price of higher education into the stratosphere, to the detriment of most everyone.
But to place blame where it really belongs, on rich white people, would be illogical. After all, we take it for granted that one day we too might be wealthy, and we wouldn't want others to question our decisions and prerogatives come that day either.
Better to blame the dark-skinned for our hardship, since we can take it for granted that they're powerless to do anything about it.
Whites, as it turns out, take most everything for granted in this country; which makes perfect sense, because dominant groups usually have that privilege.
We take for granted that we won't be racially profiled even when members of our group engage in criminality at a disproportionate rate, whether the crime is corporate fraud, serial killing, child molestation, abortion clinic bombings or drunk driving. And indeed we won't be.
We take it for granted that our terrorism won't result in whites as a group being viewed with generalized suspicion. So Tim McVeigh represents only Tim McVeigh, while Mohammed Atta gets to serve as a proxy for every other person who either has his name or follows a prophet of that name.
We take it for granted that our dishonesty will be viewed in purely individualistic terms, while the dishonesty of others will result in aspersions being cast upon the entire group from which they come.
Thus, Jayson Blair's deceptions at the New York Times provoke howls of indignation at any effort to provide opportunity to journalists of color--because after all, diversity and quality are proven by this one man's exploits to be incompatible--but Jack Kelley's equally egregious fabrications and fraud at USA Today fails to prompt calls for an end to hiring white guys as reporters, or for scrutinizing them more carefully, or for closing down whatever avenues of opportunity have helped keep the profession so white for so long.
We take it for granted that we will never be viewed as one of those dreaded "special interest" groups, precisely because whatever serves our interests is presumed universal.
So, for example, while politicians who pursue the support of black, Latino, gay or other "minority" voters are said to be pandering to special interests, those who bend over backwards to secure the backing of NASCAR dads and soccer moms, whose racial composition is as self-evident as it is unmentioned, are said to be politically savvy and merely trying to connect with "normal folks."
We take it for granted that "classical music" is a perfectly legitimate term for what really amounts to one particular classical form (mostly European orchestral and piano concerto music), ignoring that there are, indeed, classical forms of all musical styles, as well as their more contemporary versions.
We take it for granted that the only controversy regarding Jesus is whether or not he was killed by Jews or Romans; or whether the depiction of his execution by Mel Gibson is too violent for children, all the while ignoring a much larger issue, which is why does Gibson (and for that matter every other white filmmaker or artist in the history of the faith) feel the need to make Jesus white: something he surely could not have been and was not, with all due apology to Michelangelo, Constantine, Pat Robertson, and the producers of "Jesus Christ Superstar."
That the only physical descriptions of Jesus in the Bible indicate that he had feet the color of burnt brass, and hair like wool, poses a slight problem for Gibson and other followers of the white Jesus hanging in their churches, adorning their crucifixes (if Catholic), and gracing the Christmas cards they send each December.
It is the same problem posed by the anthropological evidence concerning the physical appearance of first century Jews from that part of Northern Africa we prefer to call the "Middle East" (and why is that I wonder?). Namely, Jesus did not look like a long-haired version of my Ashkenazi Jewish, Eastern European great-grandfather in his prime.
But to even bring this up is to send most white Christians (and sadly, even many of color) into fits, replete with assurances that "it doesn't matter what Jesus looked like, it only matters what he did."
Which is all fine and good, until you realize that indeed it must matter to them what Jesus looked like; otherwise, they wouldn't be so averse to presenting him as the man of color he most assuredly was: a man dark enough to guarantee that were he to come back tomorrow, and find himself on the wrong side of New York City at the wrong time of night, reaching for his keys or his wallet in the presence of the Street Crimes Unit, he'd be dispatched far more expeditiously than was done at Golgotha 2000 years ago.
But never fear: we needn?t grapple with that because we can merely take it for granted that Jesus had to look like us, as did Adam and Eve, and as does God himself. And indeed, most whites believe this to be true, as proven by every single picture Bible for kids made by a white person, all of which present these figures in such a way.
Consider the classic and widely distributed Robert Maxwell Bible Series for children, popularly known as the "blue books," which are found in virtually every pediatrician and OBGYN's office in the U.S. In Volume I, readers learn (at least visually speaking) that the Garden of Eden was in Oslo: a little-known fact that will stun Biblical scholars to be sure.
It would all be quite funny were it not so incontestably insane, so pathological in terms of the scope of our nuttiness. What else, after all, can explain the fact that when a New Jersey theatre company put on a passion play a few years ago with a black actor in the lead role, they received hundreds of hateful phone calls and even death threats for daring to portray Jesus as anyone darker than, say, Shaun Cassidy?
What else but a tenuous (at best) grip on reality can explain the quickness with which many white Americans ran around after 9/11 saying truly stupid shit like "now we know what it means to be attacked for who we are?"
Now we know? Hell, some folks always knew what that was like, though their pain and suffering never counted for much in the eyes of the majority.
What else but delusion on a scale necessitating medication could lead one to say--as two whites did on CNN in the wake of the first O.J. Simpson verdict--that they now realized everything they had been told about the American justice system being fair was a lie? Now they realized it! See the theme here?
That's what privilege is, for all those who constantly ask me what I mean when I speak of white privilege. It's the ability to presume that your reality is the reality; that your experiences, if white, are universal, and not particular to your racial identity.
It's the ability to assume that you belong and that others will presume that too; the ability to define reality for others, and expect that definition to stick (because you have the power to ensure that it becomes the dominant narrative).
And it's the ability to ignore all evidence to the contrary, claim that you yourself are the victim, and get everyone from the President to the Supreme Court to the average white guy on the street to believe it.
It is Times New Roman font, one inch margins, left hand justified. In other words, it is the default position on the computer of American life. And it has rendered vast numbers of its recipients utterly incapable of critical thought.
Only by rebelling against it, and insisting on our own freedom from the mental straightjacket into which we have been placed as whites by this system, can we hope to regain our full humanity, and be of any use as allies to people of color in their struggle against racism.
Timwise.org
April, 20 2004
By Wise, Tim
To truly understand a nation, a culture, or its people, it helps to know what they take for granted.
After all, sometimes the things that go unspoken are more powerful than the spoken word, if for no other reason than the tendency of unspoken assumptions to reinforce core ways of thinking, feeling and acting, without ever having to be verbalized (and thus subjected to challenge) at all.
What's more, when people take certain things for granted, anything that goes against the grain of what they perceive as "normal" will tend to stand out like a sore thumb, and invite a hostility that seems reasonable, at least to those dispensing it, precisely because their unspoken assumptions have gone uninterrogated for so long.
Thus, every February I encounter people who are apoplectic at the thought of Black History Month, and who insist with no sense of irony or misgiving that there should be no such thing, since, after all, there is no White History Month--a position to which they can only adhere because they have taken for granted that "American history" as told to them previously was comprehensive and accurate, as opposed to being largely the particular history of the dominant group.
In other words, the normalcy of the white narrative, which has rendered every month since they popped out of their momma's wombs White History Month, escapes them, and makes the efforts of multiculturalists seem to be the unique break with an otherwise neutral color-blindness.
Sorta' like those who e-mail me on a semi-regular basis to insist, as if they have just stumbled upon a truth of unparalleled profundity, that there should be an Ivory Magazine to balance out Ebony, or that we need a White Entertainment Television network to balance out BET, or a NAAWP to balance out the NAACP.
Again, these dear souls ignore what is obvious to virtually all persons of color but which remains unseen by those whose reality gets to be viewed as the norm: namely, that there are already two Ivory Magazines--Vogue and Cosmopolitan; that there are several WETs, which just so happen to go by the names of CBS, NBC and ABC; and that the Fortune 500, U.S. Congress and Fraternal Orders of Police are all doing a pretty good job holding it down for us white folks on the organizational front. Just because the norm is not racially-named, doesn't mean it isn't racialized.
Likewise the ongoing backlash against affirmative action, by those who seem to believe that opportunity would truly be equal in the absence of these presumably unjust efforts to ensure access to jobs and higher education for persons of color.
We are to believe that before affirmative action things were fine, and that were such efforts abolished now, things would return to this utopic state of affairs: to hell with the persistent evidence that people of color continue to face discrimination in employment, housing, education and all other institutional settings in the U.S.
So if the University of Michigan gives applicants of color twenty points on a 150-point admission scale, so as to promote racial diversity and balance out the disadvantages to which such students are often subjected in their K-12 schooling experience, that is seen as unfair racial preference.
But when the same school gives out 16 points to kids from the lily-white Upper Peninsula, or four points for children of overwhelmingly white alumni, or ten points for students who went to the state's "top" schools (who will be disproportionately white), or 8 points for those who took a full slate of Advanced Placement classes in high schools (which classes are far less available in schools serving students of color), this is seen as perfectly fair, and not at all racially preferential.
What's more, the whites who received all those bonus points due to their racial and class position will not be thought of by anyone as having received unearned advantages, in spite of the almost entirely ascriptive nature of the categories into which they fell that qualified them for such bonuses. No matter their "qualifications," it will be taken for granted that any white student at a college or University belongs there.
This is why Jennifer Gratz, the lead plaintiff in the successful "reverse discrimination" suit against Michigan's undergraduate affirmative action policy, found it a supreme injustice that a few dozen black, Latino and American Indian students were admitted ahead of her, despite having lower SATs and grades; but she thought nothing of the fact that more than 1400 other white students also were admitted ahead of her and her co-plaintiffs, despite having lower scores and grades.
"Lesser qualified" whites are acceptable, you see, while "lesser qualified" people of color must be eliminated from their unearned perches of opportunity. This is the kind of racist logic that people like Gratz, who now heads up the state?s anti-affirmative action initiative with the financial backing of Ward Connerly, find acceptable.
This kind of logic also explains the effort of whites at Roger Williams University to start a "white scholarship fund," on the pretense that scholarships for students of color are unfair and place whites at a disadvantage.
This, despite the unmentioned fact that about 93 percent of all college scholarship money goes to whites; despite the fact that students of color at elite and expensive colleges come from families with about half the average income of whites; despite the fact that there are scholarships for pretty much every kind of student under the sun, including children of Tupperware dealers, kids whose parents raise horses, kids who are left-handed, kids whose families descend from the founding fathers: you name it, and there's money available for it.
While there are plenty of whites unable to afford college, the fault for this unhappy reality lies not with minority scholarships, but rather with the decisions of almost exclusively white University elites to raise the price of higher education into the stratosphere, to the detriment of most everyone.
But to place blame where it really belongs, on rich white people, would be illogical. After all, we take it for granted that one day we too might be wealthy, and we wouldn't want others to question our decisions and prerogatives come that day either.
Better to blame the dark-skinned for our hardship, since we can take it for granted that they're powerless to do anything about it.
Whites, as it turns out, take most everything for granted in this country; which makes perfect sense, because dominant groups usually have that privilege.
We take for granted that we won't be racially profiled even when members of our group engage in criminality at a disproportionate rate, whether the crime is corporate fraud, serial killing, child molestation, abortion clinic bombings or drunk driving. And indeed we won't be.
We take it for granted that our terrorism won't result in whites as a group being viewed with generalized suspicion. So Tim McVeigh represents only Tim McVeigh, while Mohammed Atta gets to serve as a proxy for every other person who either has his name or follows a prophet of that name.
We take it for granted that our dishonesty will be viewed in purely individualistic terms, while the dishonesty of others will result in aspersions being cast upon the entire group from which they come.
Thus, Jayson Blair's deceptions at the New York Times provoke howls of indignation at any effort to provide opportunity to journalists of color--because after all, diversity and quality are proven by this one man's exploits to be incompatible--but Jack Kelley's equally egregious fabrications and fraud at USA Today fails to prompt calls for an end to hiring white guys as reporters, or for scrutinizing them more carefully, or for closing down whatever avenues of opportunity have helped keep the profession so white for so long.
We take it for granted that we will never be viewed as one of those dreaded "special interest" groups, precisely because whatever serves our interests is presumed universal.
So, for example, while politicians who pursue the support of black, Latino, gay or other "minority" voters are said to be pandering to special interests, those who bend over backwards to secure the backing of NASCAR dads and soccer moms, whose racial composition is as self-evident as it is unmentioned, are said to be politically savvy and merely trying to connect with "normal folks."
We take it for granted that "classical music" is a perfectly legitimate term for what really amounts to one particular classical form (mostly European orchestral and piano concerto music), ignoring that there are, indeed, classical forms of all musical styles, as well as their more contemporary versions.
We take it for granted that the only controversy regarding Jesus is whether or not he was killed by Jews or Romans; or whether the depiction of his execution by Mel Gibson is too violent for children, all the while ignoring a much larger issue, which is why does Gibson (and for that matter every other white filmmaker or artist in the history of the faith) feel the need to make Jesus white: something he surely could not have been and was not, with all due apology to Michelangelo, Constantine, Pat Robertson, and the producers of "Jesus Christ Superstar."
That the only physical descriptions of Jesus in the Bible indicate that he had feet the color of burnt brass, and hair like wool, poses a slight problem for Gibson and other followers of the white Jesus hanging in their churches, adorning their crucifixes (if Catholic), and gracing the Christmas cards they send each December.
It is the same problem posed by the anthropological evidence concerning the physical appearance of first century Jews from that part of Northern Africa we prefer to call the "Middle East" (and why is that I wonder?). Namely, Jesus did not look like a long-haired version of my Ashkenazi Jewish, Eastern European great-grandfather in his prime.
But to even bring this up is to send most white Christians (and sadly, even many of color) into fits, replete with assurances that "it doesn't matter what Jesus looked like, it only matters what he did."
Which is all fine and good, until you realize that indeed it must matter to them what Jesus looked like; otherwise, they wouldn't be so averse to presenting him as the man of color he most assuredly was: a man dark enough to guarantee that were he to come back tomorrow, and find himself on the wrong side of New York City at the wrong time of night, reaching for his keys or his wallet in the presence of the Street Crimes Unit, he'd be dispatched far more expeditiously than was done at Golgotha 2000 years ago.
But never fear: we needn?t grapple with that because we can merely take it for granted that Jesus had to look like us, as did Adam and Eve, and as does God himself. And indeed, most whites believe this to be true, as proven by every single picture Bible for kids made by a white person, all of which present these figures in such a way.
Consider the classic and widely distributed Robert Maxwell Bible Series for children, popularly known as the "blue books," which are found in virtually every pediatrician and OBGYN's office in the U.S. In Volume I, readers learn (at least visually speaking) that the Garden of Eden was in Oslo: a little-known fact that will stun Biblical scholars to be sure.
It would all be quite funny were it not so incontestably insane, so pathological in terms of the scope of our nuttiness. What else, after all, can explain the fact that when a New Jersey theatre company put on a passion play a few years ago with a black actor in the lead role, they received hundreds of hateful phone calls and even death threats for daring to portray Jesus as anyone darker than, say, Shaun Cassidy?
What else but a tenuous (at best) grip on reality can explain the quickness with which many white Americans ran around after 9/11 saying truly stupid shit like "now we know what it means to be attacked for who we are?"
Now we know? Hell, some folks always knew what that was like, though their pain and suffering never counted for much in the eyes of the majority.
What else but delusion on a scale necessitating medication could lead one to say--as two whites did on CNN in the wake of the first O.J. Simpson verdict--that they now realized everything they had been told about the American justice system being fair was a lie? Now they realized it! See the theme here?
That's what privilege is, for all those who constantly ask me what I mean when I speak of white privilege. It's the ability to presume that your reality is the reality; that your experiences, if white, are universal, and not particular to your racial identity.
It's the ability to assume that you belong and that others will presume that too; the ability to define reality for others, and expect that definition to stick (because you have the power to ensure that it becomes the dominant narrative).
And it's the ability to ignore all evidence to the contrary, claim that you yourself are the victim, and get everyone from the President to the Supreme Court to the average white guy on the street to believe it.
It is Times New Roman font, one inch margins, left hand justified. In other words, it is the default position on the computer of American life. And it has rendered vast numbers of its recipients utterly incapable of critical thought.
Only by rebelling against it, and insisting on our own freedom from the mental straightjacket into which we have been placed as whites by this system, can we hope to regain our full humanity, and be of any use as allies to people of color in their struggle against racism.
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What this means, I believe, is that there ARE some whites (like me, I fervently believe) for whom race is a TOTALLY closed nonissue. OTOH, there are ABSOLUTELY some whites for whom this is NOT true. I hope my black friends can understand this frustrates me while simultaneously I understand that it is perfectly logical that they should approach all whites as if they are the "racist ones".
I say this as the former Protestant church officer (of the Worship Committee) who was responsible for the planning of Black History Month celebration/worship in a mixed-race congregation--and "paid the price" if my plans did not get made soon enough or big enough (to my genuine embarrassment), but who was also the officer on the spot for an important church election when ...
What this means, I believe, is that there ARE some whites (like me, I fervently believe) for whom race is a TOTALLY closed nonissue. OTOH, there are ABSOLUTELY some whites for whom this is NOT true. I hope my black friends can understand this frustrates me while simultaneously I understand that it is perfectly logical that they should approach all whites as if they are the "racist ones".
I say this as the former Protestant church officer (of the Worship Committee) who was responsible for the planning of Black History Month celebration/worship in a mixed-race congregation--and "paid the price" if my plans did not get made soon enough or big enough (to my genuine embarrassment), but who was also the officer on the spot for an important church election when a white couple rushed up to me mid-election count, crying, "You've GOT to do something! The n****ers are stealing the election!" Shocking! In case you are wondering, that word is NOT used thoughtlessly amongst white groups, at least amongst babyboomers and later. So, my sympathies in that case were TOTALLY with the blacks.
I"m not sure where my feelings lead. I guess I hope that by the generation after me (post-babyboom), that all this REALLY is a non-issue for most on both sides of the racial divide.
Read it again, the author is Tim Wise and his webpage is Timwise.org. I did include it.
". Perhaps weirdly, this leads me to dislike the overplaying of the "race card", while recognizing that a truly valid "race card" DOES exist for some situations. "
There no race card. It is insulting to use such a phrase. My race is not a card to be played in a card game. This phrase was used in a trail and white people have been using it every since to further denigrate and insult blacks.
" I hope my black friends can understand this frustrates me while simultaneously I understand that it is perfectly logical that they should approach all whites as if they are the "racist ones". "
You comments begin as a statement of understand, now it lingers into racial condition and stereotypes. Please address my question. Whites speak in generalities towards blacks and other minorities all the time, yet when a black person or other minority speak in generalities of whites you become defensive, offended and claim we are being all inclusive of whites.
Please explain why it is acceptable for whites to use generalities and not other ethnic groups?
I did not say such a double standard is acceptable. You are correct that it mostly reveals white blindness to the systemic advantages they have. I am quite frequently offended by racist things whites say.
May this will ease your frustration, when blacks speak of whites, we are speaking of a systemic problem developed and implemented by a white society. When we say whites are the only ones who can be racist, it is because of the power the white structure of society and who has the power----whites. Is every white person racist, no. I would applaud all those who have taken the time to understand our social structure and how it HAS shaped the thinking of white society towards blacks and other minorities. There are some white that look at minorities as their equals and they NEVER make racist comment, post racist pictures, and can readily identify racism towards minorities when other whites do it.
Then their are those white who are not really racist in their hearts, but they are still the victim of racial condition and still accept stereotypes as the norm for minorities.
The problem this entire blog and other blogs Tim Wise writes are to break down that racial condition in whites. Identify to them what is being said and done that warrants them the label of a racist.
I ask you, if someone is not a racist---why would they want to continue to exhibit behavior of a racist?
On that point, one thing regarding racism here on SH that was instructive to me was a poll of the sort, "Is this Racist?". It seemed blatantly racist to me, and I ended up in numerous arguments about it with folks vehemently saying it was NOT. FINALLY, I figured out that they had a TOTALLY different (and unrealistic, I thought) view of what the term "racism" meant. They thought it meant, "racism is hating another race". I thought it meant "racism is insulting (or prejudging in any way) based on race." So, they would swear up and down that "This is NOT racist because it does not indicate the person hates blacks." I kept saying, "But it CLEARLY insults blacks, so it IS racist." They thought I was picky and nuts. All that was discouraging to me, but it also explained their lousy attitude, somewhat.
Now, we've pretty mu...
On that point, one thing regarding racism here on SH that was instructive to me was a poll of the sort, "Is this Racist?". It seemed blatantly racist to me, and I ended up in numerous arguments about it with folks vehemently saying it was NOT. FINALLY, I figured out that they had a TOTALLY different (and unrealistic, I thought) view of what the term "racism" meant. They thought it meant, "racism is hating another race". I thought it meant "racism is insulting (or prejudging in any way) based on race." So, they would swear up and down that "This is NOT racist because it does not indicate the person hates blacks." I kept saying, "But it CLEARLY insults blacks, so it IS racist." They thought I was picky and nuts. All that was discouraging to me, but it also explained their lousy attitude, somewhat.
Now, we've pretty much reached the limit of what I'll publicly offer as my opinion on racism (valid to this point since it's focused on my own experience). Here's what I mean about this philosophy of mine:
I won't publicly comment on or offer my own opinion on issues for which I feel I don't have a valid moral or philosophical base to do so, due to my not personally belonging to the affected group. In particular, this means that, as a male, I won't publicly comment on woman's issues (like abortion); and that as a Caucasian, I won't publicly comment on the racial experiences of other races. That's not a pro or con in either case, I'm just saying I do not believe that I have any basis of personal experience that gives me the right to comment.
This is why I post blogs by know anti-racist. This is such a valid ant true statement. It would make for a better society if we would learn from past mistakes instead of continuing the horrid behavior to divide and conquer.
" "This is NOT racist because it does not indicate the person hates blacks." I kept saying, "But it CLEARLY insults blacks, so it IS racist." They thought I was picky and nuts."
They don't believe racism has permeated our society through generations of practice.
I use to give them the benefit of doubt they were ignorant. I have now come to realize they understand it is racist and just don't give a damn. They use weak excuses to justify their behavior when their actions and post speaks volumes. SH is inundated with racist and it make this forum very unpleasant. I have lost many good friends because of all the racism---to which I can not fault them for leaving.
Thanks for your input! It has been a pleasure.
I long for the day when all prejudice is history..!!
I'm posting something here that I already posted elsewhere on soda head. These are series of posts and counter posts basically explaining why racism is still relevant today and why trying to look forward, as some say, without addressing the issues of institutional racism will move us in the wrong direction.
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Other “races” certainly have prejudice but racism is a bit more than just calling someone a nigger. Back in the days when a group of people had problems with each others, these differences where mostly tribal and cultural. Not based on race superiority.
Racism is a social construct which had a different purpose at different times. At first it was used to justify slavery based on race superiority. Then it became more complex as it became institutionalized in a country where institutions and laws are operating so that it disproportionately benefits White folks. The biggest problem with racism today is that it operates in a way that is not as evident as it was in the past. And this makes it more dangerous because the tendency for White folks is to say that racism doesn’t exist anymore and the minorities are always playing the race card. Worst of all when you have the media throwing images of the Cosby Show and...
I'm posting something here that I already posted elsewhere on soda head. These are series of posts and counter posts basically explaining why racism is still relevant today and why trying to look forward, as some say, without addressing the issues of institutional racism will move us in the wrong direction.
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Other “races” certainly have prejudice but racism is a bit more than just calling someone a nigger. Back in the days when a group of people had problems with each others, these differences where mostly tribal and cultural. Not based on race superiority.
Racism is a social construct which had a different purpose at different times. At first it was used to justify slavery based on race superiority. Then it became more complex as it became institutionalized in a country where institutions and laws are operating so that it disproportionately benefits White folks. The biggest problem with racism today is that it operates in a way that is not as evident as it was in the past. And this makes it more dangerous because the tendency for White folks is to say that racism doesn’t exist anymore and the minorities are always playing the race card. Worst of all when you have the media throwing images of the Cosby Show and Black celebrities who are successful, there is a misperception that everything is OK. Yet time and time again, when you look at the extra hurdles that minorities have to go through in order to get a good education, the poor quality of education and health care in poor neighborhoods, the disproportionate numbers of colored folks in prisons when statistically more White folks commit crimes and consume drugs, the harsher sentencing of minorities, the problem in obtaining a good job, and also open racist attitudes which still persists, you can’t deny that racism still exists. And please don’t bring up “Affirmative Action” unless you are ready to admit that there is a problem with “Legacy Admission”.
So when looked at in these terms, as it should be, racism is something exclusive to White folks. Doesn’t mean that other members of society Black, Brown, Asian and Latinos don’t have their share of prejudice towards others but since they do not benefit from the institutional aspect of racism, you can’t call them racist.
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Racism as the foundation - Can't a kill tree if you don't take it out by its roots! Here was anothe response to someone who claimed that my views on slavery were uniquely biased against White folks
First the Statement
"everything you say seems to involve slavery which always reverts back to racism do you not think white people where made slaves,it still exist today white women are lured to other countries as well as black women and forced to prostitute,is this not slavery.they even do it here their pimps are they're masters.slavery has no color choice as you seem to think.whites have the klan blacks have the panthers,same principal different color. "
My Response
Ah, glad you brought that up. I brought up slavery because racism in the United States was based on slavery, it is the foundation of racism here. Other forms of slavery existed throughout history, even in Africa but these forms of slavery were not based on race. Even the White "sex slaves" you are referring to, their form of slavery is not based on race. So in these cases it is not racism. It is however part of a wider White patriarchal system of domination under which slavery falls as well. This is why you had other movements, such as the feminist movement, that came into existence to also address these inequalities.
In the U.S. you had indentured servitude where White Europeans worked under contract for a plantation owner for several years. They worked along side Black slaves. Of course they noticed the difference in color with their counter parts but the treatment was different and the notion of race did not exist in the minds of indentured servants at the time. The problem the plantation owners had was that the slaves and the indentured servants started to bond, even had kids together, formed renegade societies and this was a danger to the establishment that relied on forced labor to produce grown goods such as tobacco, cotton etc. The big plantation owners came up with a divide an conquer strategy whereby the White indentured servants and the poor Whites who had little to no land, were sold the idea that they could also have a piece of their dream and own their own slaves who were now presented as racially inferior. They also used the Bible to justify their position and said that they were actually doing Black folks a favor by taking them out of Africa and provided them better working conditions here... yea right.
The Klan and the Panthers have totally different histories and purposes. KKK’s only purpose is White domination and the preservation of White "Racial purity" through terror and political maneuvers when they use half their brains. Funny, because scientifically there is no such thing as race.
The Black Panther came out of necessity when its founders, Bobby Seale and Huey P. Newton, realized that Black folks were being terrorized by the police through beatings and unjust incarcerations and even murder. The Black Panther’s movement and purpose was self defense. They carried weapons, ironically, because they utilized their Constitutional Right to bear arms. They were not on a path of destruction, they did not lynch anyone or burn crosses, they did not terrorize families and burned down houses. They did monitor and follow police in their neighborhoods to make sure that the citizens’ rights were protected and they became well versed in matters related to legal rights. Considering all the beatings and shooting and racial profiling of minorities that exist still today, I would totally understand if another group similar to the Black Panthers emerged. Yes they were militants but what would you do if your people were hunted down like dogs? So you can’t paint a parallel between the Black Panthers and the KKK. When White Supremacist cry White power, it is to establish their domination, and control under the guise of White pride and they advocate the elimination of Jews and Blacks and gays through violence. When Black folks cried Black Power, it was to empower their community reclaim their dignity and cry out the world that being Black was beautiful and that they were worth something following years of repression, decades of segregation and being told that they were worth nothing by an oppressive group of people and a system which still operates within our institutions today.