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The Death Penalty: Yay or Nay?

Elmo~WAWU~Bn-2~ 2012/06/26 18:43:14
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  • bobby 2012/06/26 21:53:30
    Nay
    bobby
    +1
    If murder is illegal for one, it should be illegal for all.
  • Elmo~WA... bobby 2012/06/26 22:48:07
    Elmo~WAWU~Bn-2~
    I agree.
  • Herb bobby 2012/06/27 01:20:42
    Herb
    what about serial killers like dalmer and son of sam and the zodiak killer.
  • REFUSEN... Herb 2012/06/27 01:24:53
    REFUSENICK1967
    zodiak killer.Was never cought
  • Herb REFUSEN... 2012/06/27 01:34:40
    Herb
    +1
    i know but my question was if caught do they deserver to live.
  • REFUSEN... Herb 2012/06/27 01:39:46
    REFUSENICK1967
    +1
    NO.......100%
  • Elmo~WA... Herb 2012/06/27 06:17:41
    Elmo~WAWU~Bn-2~
    Yes. Everybody deserves to live. The right to life is a human right; it is inalienable and egalitarian.
  • REFUSEN... Elmo~WA... 2012/07/04 01:38:59
    REFUSENICK1967
    +1
    A US doctor has recalled being attacked in his sleep while testifying at the trial for the murder and sexual assault of his wife and daughters.

    Prominent Connecticut physician William Petit said he woke to discover his face covered in blood and two men standing over him with a gun, CNN reported.

    Dr Petit was the sole survivor of an alleged home invasion in 2007 that saw his wife Jennifer Hawke-Petit, and daughters Hayley, 17 and Michaela, 11 killed.

    Steven Hayes, 47, and Joshua Komisarjevsky, 30 are alleged to have tied up Dr Petit to a post in his basement, while they robbed and sexually assaulted his wife and youngest daughter before setting the home on fire.

    Dr Petit described falling asleep on the couch of his home on a Sunday evening, before waking up at 3am during the
  • Elmo~WA... REFUSEN... 2012/07/04 07:01:55
    Elmo~WAWU~Bn-2~
    I don't think you finished the story :L
  • REFUSEN... Elmo~WA... 2012/07/04 11:55:59
    REFUSENICK1967
    +1
    Point is there are some real low life scum out there,I would put them to death ASAP ,They Raped & murdered children,DNA at the scene
  • Elmo~WA... REFUSEN... 2012/07/04 12:07:17
    Elmo~WAWU~Bn-2~
    You would, I wouldn't. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
  • bobby Herb 2012/06/27 02:07:02
    bobby
    Serial killers are invariably mentally ill. The difficulty is catching them. Once they are caught they need to be taken aside and studied assiduously so that we can understand better :
    1. Their mentality in order to catch the next one.
    2. Their background to be able to spot the signs earlier hopefully before another becomes dangerous.
    I am not suggesting that catching and studying one person would be enough , but over a period of time, the more information gathered, the better.
  • Herb bobby 2012/06/27 02:13:30
    Herb
    we need to kill them all
  • bobby Herb 2012/06/27 02:22:50
    bobby
    +1
    Then we will learn nothing and the killing will go on. Who knows when? Who knows Where?
  • REFUSEN... bobby 2012/06/27 01:24:14
    REFUSENICK1967
    what..???
  • bobby REFUSEN... 2012/06/27 02:12:25
    bobby
    It is not a question about making judgments on who can or can't live. To kill is wrong, period. If someone becomes a danger to society they need to be caught, incarcerated and studied.
  • REFUSEN... bobby 2012/06/28 02:13:32
    REFUSENICK1967
    I don't agree the punishment should fit the crime.So if one of these low life killed one of your family members you would be ok.With that ? watching cable tv and eating 3 nice meals a day
  • bobby REFUSEN... 2012/06/28 08:06:08
    bobby
    No, I dread to think what I would do.
    I imagine I would be screaming for retribution from every street corner.
    However my main concern would be that the killer is caught and that the risk had been neutralised.

    I would have to face the situation that I am no more entitled to kill than anyone else. (No matter how I felt at the time).
  • REFUSEN... bobby 2012/06/29 21:48:09
    REFUSENICK1967
    Ok....Well i would kill that human.People are different and that is how i am.An eye for an eye,I Have Zero tolerance for scum bags.The rearrest rate for most scum bags is 70%,So there is a 70% that if let out of prison they would destroy another good family
  • bobby REFUSEN... 2012/06/30 00:52:15
    bobby
    I would not advocate letting them out.
  • Deborah... bobby 2012/06/27 01:33:13
    DeborahLakeHelen
    They aren't the same. A savage who kidnaps, tortures, rapes and then kills a child is an animal who needs to be slaughtered.
  • bobby Deborah... 2012/06/27 02:17:59
    bobby
    If people do that, why do they do that? Are there more out there? What are the triggers that cause an individual to behave in such a terrible way? What can we do to make sure those triggers are eradicated for future generations?
  • Deborah... bobby 2012/06/27 02:20:58
    DeborahLakeHelen
    EXTERMINATE them like the vermin that they are, They're likely satanically possessed, will never change, and will kill again if they're given the opportunity. Who knows what makes some do what they do? One of the best excuses is (whiny voice) "I had a bad family life."
  • bobby Deborah... 2012/06/27 02:42:54
    bobby
    A good vermin exterminator knows his prey and how they function.
    What we do know, is, that rational people are not cold blooded killers.
    Mental illness takes many forms. To be fair serial killers are thankfully very rare, the fact that the same few names are mentioned again and again shows this. There is no evidence at all that the death penalty acts as a deterrent. Killing is wrong, whether they do it or we do.
  • Deborah... bobby 2012/06/27 19:23:24
    DeborahLakeHelen
    It's true that many serial killers are mentally ill. However, MANY of them are twisted freaks who get their jollies from raping children, and killing people for exhilaration, sexual pleasure and revenge. The death penalty is meant to be a punishment, not just a deterrent to others.
  • bobby Deborah... 2012/06/27 20:58:42
    bobby
    Are you suggesting that 'twisted freaks' are rational and sane?
    The law is bound to consider the perpetrator's state of mind and determine whether the actions, were those of a sound mind. Nowadays, with the decline in the credibility of charges of satanic possession, anybody capable of insane acts has to be closely scrutinised for soundness of mind.
    There have been rather too many cases of well positioned individuals trying to influence the legal process and to be seen to be doing so in order to ingratiate themselves to a restless electorate.

    The secret to effective Law and Justice is the concept of impartiality. That is to say, that the law must be consistent and rational. If it is based on emotion, or outrage or self righteous indignation, sentencing would be more likely to be based upon the notoriety of the case and/or populistic electoral vote chasing.
    The law has to be able to be seen to be impartial and if it fails to this end it will have rendered itself open to charges of untrustworthiness and inconsistency.

    I notice that there seems to be a tendency, running through this thread, for mass murderers to be used as the justification for the death penalty, but as far as I am aware they are not the only ones on death row. What of the others?

    Punishment has to be seen to be reaso...
    Are you suggesting that 'twisted freaks' are rational and sane?
    The law is bound to consider the perpetrator's state of mind and determine whether the actions, were those of a sound mind. Nowadays, with the decline in the credibility of charges of satanic possession, anybody capable of insane acts has to be closely scrutinised for soundness of mind.
    There have been rather too many cases of well positioned individuals trying to influence the legal process and to be seen to be doing so in order to ingratiate themselves to a restless electorate.

    The secret to effective Law and Justice is the concept of impartiality. That is to say, that the law must be consistent and rational. If it is based on emotion, or outrage or self righteous indignation, sentencing would be more likely to be based upon the notoriety of the case and/or populistic electoral vote chasing.
    The law has to be able to be seen to be impartial and if it fails to this end it will have rendered itself open to charges of untrustworthiness and inconsistency.

    I notice that there seems to be a tendency, running through this thread, for mass murderers to be used as the justification for the death penalty, but as far as I am aware they are not the only ones on death row. What of the others?

    Punishment has to be seen to be reasonable/rational as opposed to being emotional/partial.
    Of course decent people will be appalled when they are confronted with tales of atrocity, but they must not use their self righteous indignation as a justification to carry out their own actions and place themselves subject to charges of atrocity.
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  • Deborah... bobby 2012/06/29 23:51:58
    DeborahLakeHelen
    The GREAT majority of those who commit crimes against others that are heinous, sadistic and violent enough are completely same. They're just gnarled up, emotionally bankrupt, vengeful and cruel individuals. They know whay they're doing when they do it. Those who are truly "crazy," like the convicted felon who shot and set on fire the 2 high school boys here in FL. He's definitely mentally ill, and more than one psychiatrist has said so. Being crazy doesn't absolve one from being incarcerated, it just saves them from being killed. The majority who are in fact, perfectly same don't deserve to breathe the same air as the rest of us here on earth, and they should be exterminated like the vermin they are. The punishment should fit the crime, and there are MANY who need to be killed. Nobody will ever convince me that criminals deserve special treament.
  • Wortmore bobby 2012/06/27 02:29:58
    Wortmore
    +1
    If you had Hitler captured would you kill him
  • bobby Wortmore 2012/06/27 02:46:24
    bobby
    +1
    No point, the damage is done. to kill him would only be revenge, a feeble emotion at the best of times.
  • Elmo~WA... Wortmore 2012/06/27 06:18:22
    Elmo~WAWU~Bn-2~
    I wouldn't.
  • Wortmore Elmo~WA... 2012/06/27 14:19:01
    Wortmore
    What would you do
  • Elmo~WA... Wortmore 2012/06/28 10:49:40
    Elmo~WAWU~Bn-2~
    Put him in prison like a normal person...
  • Deborah... Wortmore 2012/06/27 19:25:34
    DeborahLakeHelen
    I wish he could have been tortured slowly.
  • teckila 2012/06/26 21:11:48
    Nay
    teckila
    +1
    There is no justice in death penalty. As a member of Amnesty and as a Christian I cannot agree with death penalty.
  • Elmo~WA... teckila 2012/06/26 22:48:18
    Elmo~WAWU~Bn-2~
    Me either.
  • Herb teckila 2012/06/27 01:20:00
    Herb
    even for serial killer like dalmer and son of sam.
  • Wortmore teckila 2012/06/27 02:30:49
    Wortmore
    What would you do if you captured Hitler (time travel)
  • chastetothegloryofgod 2012/06/26 21:11:24
    Yay
    chastetothegloryofgod
    +1
    Yay as in Yes, but I'm not excited about it.
  • rand 2012/06/26 20:28:50 (edited)
    Undecided
    rand
    +1
    Oddly, I agree with Sharia law that the family of the victim should choose the penalty. In my case, I wouldn't know until I knew the circumstances. In general I oppose spending $3,000,000 per case in legal fees handling appeals and executing innocent persons, but those issues could be changed with changes in the laws.
  • Mark 2012/06/26 20:23:51
    Nay
    Mark
    +2
    The one thing I find annoying about our penal system is when a judge sends someone down for 6 years, straightaway one hears he'll be out in 3. I would like to see a 6 year sentence mean just that.

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