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Teen Wrestler Refuses to Compete Against Girl: Should Girls Even Be Wrestling?

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When we first heard that an Iowa high school wrestler refused to compete against a girl at the state tournament on Thursday, we thought it was a sexist decision.

But then we read his explanation.

Joel Northrup, a home-schooled sophomore, says he gave up his chance of becoming state champion because of his religious beliefs.

"As a matter of conscience and my faith I do not believe that it is appropriate for a boy to engage a girl in this manner. It is unfortunate that I have been placed in a situation not seen in most other high school sports in Iowa," he said in a news release.

Northrup's father, Jamie Northrup, is a minister in an independent Pentecostal church that believes young men and women shouldn't touch in a "familiar way," Bill Randles, the church's pastor, told The Associated Press.

"We believe in the elevation and respect of woman and we don't think that wrestling a woman is the right thing to do. Body slamming and takedowns, that full contact sport is not how to do that."

As a result, freshman Cassy Herkelman and sophomore Megan Black became the first two girls to make the state wrestling tournament in its 85-year history.

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"I have a tremendous amount of respect for Cassy and Megan and their accomplishments. However, wrestling is a combat sport and it can get violent at times," said Northrup, further explaining his decision.

Black said Northrup refused to wrestle her three years ago, and she admires him for sticking to his convictions.

"If it's his religion and he's strong in his religion, then I just respect that," she told the AP.

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  • Jake M 2011/02/18 16:50:25
    Yes
    Jake M
    +29
    So, if wrestling with girls is "touching them in a familiar way" than isn't wrestling with guys "touching them in a familiar way", wouldn't that be an even bigger no-no for a Pentecostal?

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  • Scruffy tasha1989 2011/02/20 17:33:40
    Scruffy
    Because;
    .... if the girl got injured, mommy could sue the school?
    .... if she won, the boys would cry?
    .... it might create a Janet Jackson moment?
    .... you don't really know?
  • ☠Poison... Scruffy 2011/02/20 18:40:35
  • wildcat Scruffy 2011/02/20 19:40:52
    wildcat
    +1
    If the girl won, it would just prove she had better skills and abilities. Girls play baseball on a lot of HS baseball teams and mommies don't sue because she got hurt. If a girl strikes a guy out he doesn't cry.
  • fairief... wildcat 2011/02/20 20:54:31
    fairiefang -annoying fashion snobs everywhere-
    +1
    "If a girl strikes a guy out he doesn't cry."

    Well...most guys....
  • wildcat fairief... 2011/02/21 01:20:24
    wildcat
    +1
    you may be correct. Placed all guys into one category. Should have said most guys.
  • fairief... Scruffy 2011/02/20 20:53:22
    fairiefang -annoying fashion snobs everywhere-
    If the BOY got injured, mommy could sue the school
    Who cares if boys cry over broken egos?
    Doubt it
  • Melody 2011/02/20 15:20:03
    No
    Melody
    +1
    I'm not going to say women can't wrestle and that they should never,
    but it's certainly an unfeminine thing to do.
    If you're going to wrestle, only wrestle those of the same gender. If you're gay/lesbian... then no.
    Men acting like that is annoying enough; women wrestling is just disgusting, and if they want to wrestle men, that's even more repulsive.
    Wrestling is a full contact sport and men and women should not be doing such a thing so casually.
  • Eric ~ ... Melody 2011/02/20 16:01:34
    Eric ~ The Logician
    +2
    So the reason females shouldn't wrestle is because you personally think that it's "not feminine," "annoying," "repulsive," and "disgusting."

    I don't think that argument has much integrity.
  • Melody Eric ~ ... 2011/02/20 16:03:31
    Melody
    +1
    If you think men and women are built the same and that it is okay for men and women to have such contact, then of course you wouldn't understand because your head's up your arse and your piggish ideals have nothing to do with integrity.
  • Scruffy Melody 2011/02/20 17:34:34
    Scruffy
    Funny!
  • Eric ~ ... Melody 2011/02/20 20:03:49
    Eric ~ The Logician
    Sarcasm works a lot better than insulting people as far as getting a point across.
  • wildcat Eric ~ ... 2011/02/20 19:41:24
    wildcat
    +1
    Bingo!! Good post
  • gabe 2011/02/20 15:16:12
    Yes
    gabe
    +1
    if there ok with it whats the problem.
  • cb 2011/02/20 15:14:08 (edited)
    No
    cb
    +1
    Let them wrestle other girls. This want to be men garbage has gone on long enough and is totally out of control. So this girl wants to get in a wrestling match with a boy where his hands are going to be all over her. BUT let some other student grab her crotch and see just how fast all the sexual assault/harassment charges pop up.



    Girls want to wrestle then let them wrestle each other instead of them groping and getting groped by boys. And say there's no groping all you want certain holds and moves guarantee that the competitors are grabbing crotches. Too bad Moolah's dead and Chyna doesn't wrestle anymore because they would have straightened these wannabe's out real quick grabbing crotches moolahs dead chyna wrestle straightened wannabes real fabulous Moolah grabbing crotches moolahs dead chyna wrestle straightened wannabes real Chyna
  • jimbo cb 2011/02/20 15:42:48
    jimbo
    +1
    Moolah was a good entertainer. Saw her many times because I was in the promotions business for some years. Realistically,Moolah could never have beaten any professional male wrestler.
  • ☠Poison... cb 2011/02/20 18:46:36
    ☠PoisonGirl~Stay(sic)!☠
    There is a difference between wrestling and someone grabbing your crouch. Girls should be allowed to wrestle whoever they want to, and should be able to act how they want. Nobody said they were doing it cause they wanted to be guys or like guys, maybe they just like the sport and enjoy playing and competeing in it. Also girls should be able to wear different clothes then ones like the pictures up there^ and people still watch them. It's degrading when men will only watch girls do something cause she's wearing almost no clothes
  • cb ☠Poison... 2011/02/20 22:00:36
    cb
    Tell me how you think they do these carry overs and take downs etc without crotch grabbing? Actually watch a freestyle match sometime and see WHERE the hands are and then say that there is no crotch grabbing. If these girls want to wrestle boys and feminsts want to say it's alright, we shouldn't be seeing sexual harassment suits being filed. After all the crotch grabbing is fine.
  • ☠Poison... cb 2011/02/21 00:19:36
    ☠PoisonGirl~Stay(sic)!☠
    No just straight up crotch grabbing and wrestling are different. With wrestling you're doing it to win, it is sexual harassment if someone just comes up and grabs your crotch
  • cb ☠Poison... 2011/02/21 13:57:30 (edited)
    cb
    do hands touch crotches or not? Once a male hand touches a female crotch (or breast for that matter); that male is at risk of being charged with Sexual battery/harassment, period. He has touched her. And when she complains that he inappropriately grabbed her when applying the hold, what then?

    And what about those boys who will use this as an excuse? Those who want to cop a feel anyway and use the "Well I was just wrestling" excuse? Yes it will happen because these girls put themselves in that position.
  • ☠Poison... cb 2011/02/21 18:17:29
    ☠PoisonGirl~Stay(sic)!☠
    The girls who wrestle know this is going to happen and aren't going to file charges, if they are wrestling. They can't complain or anything that the guys inappropriately grabbed her.
  • cb ☠Poison... 2011/02/21 18:56:57
    cb
    Women put themselves in situations all the time and then yell rape or sexual harassment afterward and have an excuse to dump their own responsibility for what occurred. This is no different. They are putting themselves in a situation where inappropriate touching is going to occur and some boy is labeled a sexual offender for th rest of his life because his hands touched her crotch. But you think that is cool so be it, I'm sure the boy caught up in the drama won't agree with you when his life is ruined because one of the girls who have no business putting themselves in the situation in the first place decides to blame the boy and use the excuse to avoid her own responsibility.
  • Mandy cb 2011/02/20 19:27:33
    Mandy
    The problem is that there aren't enough girls to have their own league yet. That is why they end up wrestling the boys.
  • sm237 2011/02/20 15:11:02
    No
    sm237
    +1
    NO..............
  • Don 2011/02/20 14:58:24
    Yes
    Don
    +3
    Yes but the rules should say Naked Wrestling.
  • jimbo Don 2011/02/20 15:43:28
    jimbo
    Excellent idea!
  • Scruffy Don 2011/02/20 17:35:32
    Scruffy
    And mud?
  • Kaimeso 2011/02/20 14:56:53
    Yes
    Kaimeso
    +2
    BULLSH*T,.. The boy Jamie was just afraid he might get beat by a girl,..
  • jimbo Kaimeso 2011/02/20 15:43:55
    jimbo
    +1
    I do not believe that.
  • Eric ~ ... Kaimeso 2011/02/20 16:02:23
    Eric ~ The Logician
    +1
    Or that he'd get a boner and god would smite him immediately.
  • wildcat Kaimeso 2011/02/20 19:42:16
    wildcat
    I think you are correct.
  • Bowman 2011/02/20 14:54:53
    Yes
    Bowman
    +1
    Sure, we've all seen how well it's worked for high school football right? At my high school, a girl broke her femur in pre-season training. That's what happens when boys are told to treat a girl like a boy. We were made differently for a reason.
  • taitaFalcon23 2011/02/20 14:37:48
    No
    taitaFalcon23
    +4
    Why does it have to be 'either, or'. Girls can wrestle; just other girls. If a school system can 't afford two sports programs. then they can't afford any and so be it. At any rate, dismissing this young man's convictions is exactly why we've had a general deterioration in the American ideal. He is a hero in my book; there was no reward in his personal decision; he was willing to forego fame and glory for what he felt was right. If this is what is in our future, we're in better shape than I thought... We should preserve that...
  • Torchy 2011/02/20 14:17:53
    Yes
    Torchy
    So...it's okay to touch a young man in that "familiar" way but not a young woman?

    Cripes. I'm sorry, I don't respect that decision, but it does explain a lot of what is wrong in our prudish society. If a girl goes into the sport and is trained, she knows what she's getting into and should not expect any pandering. If you can't do that sort of thing to a girl, you shouldn't be doing that to ANYONE.
  • Melody Torchy 2011/02/20 15:24:39
    Melody
    +1
    Touching a man in the same way? Wrestling is a man's sport, and so men wrestling men involves no "familiar contact". Sure, a girl wrestler might do the same to a guy if in a match, but it's more likely that a guy is going to take advantage of the situation.
    Prudish society? Where are you living? Because that certainly doesn't describe America or the UK. Just watch some MTV or the super bowl commercials.. If you think our society is prudish, then I am truly afraid of you're outlook on life; you're lifestyle must be repulsive.
  • Torchy Melody 2011/02/20 15:37:43 (edited)
    Torchy
    ...would you not use the same wrestling moves regardless of the gender of your opponent?

    Also, women have been wrestling for just as long as men, so to call it a "man's" sport is rather dim-witted and chauvinistic. Wrestling in ancient Sparta was as normal an activity for women as it was for the boys. Girls wrestled other girls and boys in various displays of physical prowess.

    And it is prudish. It's prudish that a young man is being taught that he can't engage in any physical, competitive activity with a girl without it being considered wrong. It's sad that a man has to give something up because his church is saying that merely touching a girl is wrong. We live in a society that shows gore on TV on a daily basis without so much as batting an eye, but raises a massive fuss when a nipple is shown for 1/18th of a second by accident. It's not what we watch, it's the idiotic reaction to it that's prudish. The media has a field day with people who are so appalled by what they see that they watch it over and over again just to reaffirm their revulsion.
  • jimbo Torchy 2011/02/20 15:46:13
    jimbo
    Pretty much all sports are man sports. There are a few exceptions..........
  • Torchy jimbo 2011/02/20 15:47:42
    Torchy
    +1
    I'm sure. Like beach volleyball?

    beach volleyball beach volleyball
  • jimbo Torchy 2011/02/20 16:20:16
    jimbo
    +1
    There could be an upset with this one,but only because of distraction. Just one of many female advantages................
  • Torchy jimbo 2011/02/20 16:23:05
    Torchy
    +1
    Well, maybe then men should just wear blindfolds and oven mitts if they can't control themselves...but knowing some, that might just make it worse!
  • jimbo Torchy 2011/02/20 16:51:28
    jimbo
    +1
    I ain't wearin' no stinkin' mitts................

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