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“President Obama is stripping the work requirement out of welfare. I think the problem with that is there’s been so many success stories since the welfare reform of the 90s. Where families that might otherwise have stayed stuck in that cycle of dependency that they actually saw a light at the end of the tunnel. They saw a different possibility. Taking it away brings us back to that situation. The unintended consequences of a well-meaning program of the 1960s was that families ended up getting stuck in that cycle of dependency.



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  • FanOreilly 2012/08/21 16:58:16
    Agree
    FanOreilly
    +9
    Obama has not only exploded American debt, he has ballooned dependency on welfare programs.

    Shame on you Obama and your accomplices in promoting misery.

    obama welfare

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  • sglmom 2012/08/29 02:20:09
    Agree
    sglmom
    Being able to make your own choices ..
    knowing that you're responsible for yourself and your family ..
    yes, there are struggles ..
    (there always will be some struggles)
    but the SELF-ESTEEM of knowing you are not a 'dependent' ..
    is far and above .. the better way of LIFE
    for all ...
  • us 2012/08/27 03:47:28
    Agree
    us
    +1
    welfare was bad back in the 70, and it just got worse, But i believe in america we believe in helping others.
  • goatman112003 2012/08/22 03:52:43
    Agree
    goatman112003
    +2
    You can't have self pride unless you can stand on your own.
  • safddgssdg 2012/08/22 01:49:11
  • Cantus_bird 2012/08/22 01:25:15
    Agree
    Cantus_bird
    +1
    Success is getting off of welfare and hopefully for those who have been on welfare generation after generation someone will break that cycle for them and let them leave welfare for those who will use it as a hand up or for who really do need that help.
  • JustMe 2012/08/21 21:03:11
    Agree
    JustMe
    +2
    Though I firmly believe that much more needs to be done, this is still being abused way too much by reliefers that have never worked a day in their life and never intend to. And it needs to be done in a manner that isn't kicking the cheese-eaters off welfare just to hand them a disability check. I personally haven't seen anything that I would consider a success from anyone.
  • RogerRover 2012/08/21 20:32:42
    Agree
    RogerRover
    +2
    Jobs, jobs, jobs..would fix so many things. Deeper down inside every human is a desire for respect and a measure of dignity. Millions have traded it for a cheap fix, and yet, in an environment where real opportunity is present, I'm convinced most of these same individuals would opt for something better. A return of free market capitalism and a thriving economy, NOT offered by this JKIC (job killer in chief) is the beginning of a healthy turnaround. Present course is clearly a drastic spiral downward towards OBLIVION.
  • Scott C 2012/08/21 18:39:13
    Agree
    Scott C
    +2
    It's obvious the government desires to keep people in a cycle of dependency where there is control. If they would fix welfare to where it weens people off by incrementally decreasing funds and rewarding them for getting off welfare there would be a better opportunity for success to those who have been trapped in the cycle.
  • Christy 2012/08/21 18:34:10
    Agree
    Christy
    +2
    If course getting off of welfare and being more self-sufficient is a good thing.

    However, the claim that Obama wants to remove the work requirement from welfare was rated "pants on fire" by Politifact--it is pure BS.

    "Romney’s ad says, "Under Obama’s plan (for welfare), you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check."

    That's a drastic distortion of the planned changes to Temporary Assistance to Needy Families. By granting waivers to states, the Obama administration is seeking to make welfare-to-work efforts more successful, not end them. What’s more, the waivers would apply to individually evaluated pilot programs -- HHS is not proposing a blanket, national change to welfare law.

    The ad tries to connect the dots to reach this zinger: "They just send you your welfare check." The HHS memo in no way advocates that practice. In fact, it says the new policy is "designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

    The ad’s claim is not accurate, and it inflames old resentments about able-bodied adults sitting around collecting public assistance. Pants on Fire!"

    http://www.politifact.com/tru...
  • Lanikai Christy 2012/08/21 18:39:06
    Lanikai
    +2
    Obamas exec order allows for "getting a massage" or "helping a relative clean their house" to count towards work.

    HOW EFFING LAME IS THAT?
  • Christy Lanikai 2012/08/21 18:41:14
    Christy
    Citation, please.
  • Lanikai Christy 2012/08/21 18:46:18
    Lanikai
    +3
    In 1996, Republicans forced through the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) bill, also known as welfare reform. It incentivized states to create welfare-to-work programs, trying to transition Americans from government dependency to financial solvency. But states quickly acted to poke holes in that legislation, calling the following activities “work” for purposes of the statute: bed rest, personal care activities, massage, exercise, journaling, motivational reading, smoking cessation, weight loss promotion, participation in parent-teacher meetings, or helping friends or family with household tasks and errands.
    This was idiotic. So in 2005, Congress closed the loophole, over the objections of then-Senator Obama.
    Now, Obama has walked back the 2005 legislation, using his Department of Health and Human Services to unilaterally waive those work requirements. “This Administration is unbelievable,” said Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT). “Green-lighting new regulations to change bipartisan welfare reform without consultation from Congress is an outright abuse of the federal government’s system of checks and balances and an insult to American taxpayers.”
    A high-ranking Republican staffer commented, “Only someone with a religious faith in government would change the rules such that ‘j...
    In 1996, Republicans forced through the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) bill, also known as welfare reform. It incentivized states to create welfare-to-work programs, trying to transition Americans from government dependency to financial solvency. But states quickly acted to poke holes in that legislation, calling the following activities “work” for purposes of the statute: bed rest, personal care activities, massage, exercise, journaling, motivational reading, smoking cessation, weight loss promotion, participation in parent-teacher meetings, or helping friends or family with household tasks and errands.
    This was idiotic. So in 2005, Congress closed the loophole, over the objections of then-Senator Obama.
    Now, Obama has walked back the 2005 legislation, using his Department of Health and Human Services to unilaterally waive those work requirements. “This Administration is unbelievable,” said Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT). “Green-lighting new regulations to change bipartisan welfare reform without consultation from Congress is an outright abuse of the federal government’s system of checks and balances and an insult to American taxpayers.”
    A high-ranking Republican staffer commented, “Only someone with a religious faith in government would change the rules such that ‘journaling’ now qualifies you for welfare assistance.”
    But this is Obama’s new definition of work: anything that allows you to receive government assistance. After all, welfare, unemployment benefits, and all other payouts forward the economy, according to our magnificent president.
    (more)
  • Lanikai Lanikai 2012/08/21 18:46:30
    Lanikai
    +1
    From Breitbart.
  • Christy Lanikai 2012/08/21 19:24:46
    Christy
    I have yet to find anything legitimate stating that any of those activities would be counted as work activities.
  • FanOreilly Christy 2012/08/21 21:05:37
    FanOreilly
    +2
    From the organization making the claim:

    http://blog.heritage.org/2012...
  • Christy FanOreilly 2012/08/21 21:20:40
    Christy
    That's the problem--all I can find are baseless claims.
  • FanOreilly Christy 2012/08/21 21:56:24
    FanOreilly
    +2
    You did not read clearly as the argument is well documented.

    let me guess...as an Obama supporter, you cannot bring yourself to see the facts?

    Not very scientific of you.
  • Lanikai Christy 2012/08/22 14:53:26
    Lanikai
    +1
    If you refuse to read the facts, and didn't see the news clips when obummer signed this, that is your problem.
  • Christy Lanikai 2012/08/22 15:00:32
    Christy
    I did look at the facts. I looked at the documents in question, and they bore no resemblance to the bs being put forth here.
  • jimmy Lanikai 2012/08/22 12:37:21
    jimmy
    +2
    COULDN'T OF SAID IT BETTER.
  • FanOreilly Christy 2012/08/21 21:04:02
    FanOreilly
    +2
    'politifact' is a left-wing organization that is actively campaigning for Obama.
  • Christy FanOreilly 2012/08/21 21:20:20
    Christy
    No, they're not, and every other fact-checking piece I've seen on it has said the same thing.
  • FanOreilly Christy 2012/08/21 21:57:34
    FanOreilly
    +2
    Wrong.

    Politifact is campaigning for obama and so are you.

    By your own chart, you are so far left, you almost fell off the chart.

    http://hotair.com/archives/20...
  • Christy FanOreilly 2012/08/21 22:12:17
    Christy
    I'm sure that the blog founded by Michelle Malkin with the big popup ad for Ann Coulter's latest trash can be counted on to be unbiased. Right.

    As I sad, not a single *legitimate* source stating that any of those listed have been or could be accepted as related to work or job training for TANF. Nothing more than baseless claims.
  • Lanikai FanOreilly 2012/08/22 14:54:06
    Lanikai
    +1
    Don't you wish we all had those kind of blinders? The world would look better with a narrow set of blinders.
  • Heisenberg 2012/08/21 18:31:05
    Agree
    Heisenberg
    +2
    This man is my hero of the day.
  • schjaz 2012/08/21 18:24:37
    Agree
    schjaz
    +4
    I have to agree with that. Welfare is a depressing state of living and people need to be motivated.
  • Lanikai 2012/08/21 18:20:20
    Agree
    Lanikai
    +5
    YES!!!!!!!!!

    And getting off ALL forms of government assistance.
  • Mike 2012/08/21 18:12:16
    Agree
    Mike
    +5
    I couldn't agree more
  • Li, Li, 2012/08/21 18:06:27
  • NightWish1976 2012/08/21 17:50:20
    Disagree
    NightWish1976
    +2
    Sorry your spin does not hold water
    CAROL COSTELLO: With high unemployment and other issues, why would the Romney team release this type of ad now?

    Sen. KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON (R-Tex.): Because it is a major change in the work requirement that has been such a good reform. In fact, it's one of the best reforms that has worked. Five million people were on the welfare rolls in 1994. And in 2010, at the end, it was about two million. So it's really put people to work, given them a pride in themselves. There are so many good stories about welfare reform that families now with working people have more income, and their children grow up not in poverty, but seeing a work ethic. And to have guidelines that are now coming out to soften that, Carol, is a very bad thing.

    COSTELLO: Well Senator, the only problem with this ad, and I'm sure many people would agree with what you say, but we fact-checked that ad along with PolitiFact, and it's just not true. Two Republican governors asked for these waivers, and the waivers don't remove the requirement that welfare recipients find work.

    HUTCHISON: It lessens the requirement and it allows self-help-type programs to be substituted for either job training or the work requirement. And the work requirement is 20 to 30 hours. So it's not a full-ti...

















    Sorry your spin does not hold water
    CAROL COSTELLO: With high unemployment and other issues, why would the Romney team release this type of ad now?

    Sen. KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON (R-Tex.): Because it is a major change in the work requirement that has been such a good reform. In fact, it's one of the best reforms that has worked. Five million people were on the welfare rolls in 1994. And in 2010, at the end, it was about two million. So it's really put people to work, given them a pride in themselves. There are so many good stories about welfare reform that families now with working people have more income, and their children grow up not in poverty, but seeing a work ethic. And to have guidelines that are now coming out to soften that, Carol, is a very bad thing.

    COSTELLO: Well Senator, the only problem with this ad, and I'm sure many people would agree with what you say, but we fact-checked that ad along with PolitiFact, and it's just not true. Two Republican governors asked for these waivers, and the waivers don't remove the requirement that welfare recipients find work.

    HUTCHISON: It lessens the requirement and it allows self-help-type programs to be substituted for either job training or the work requirement. And the work requirement is 20 to 30 hours. So it's not a full-time work requirement, but it is a modest work requirement. And Carol, that's the foundation of the bill.

    COSTELLO: Well, Democrats say they even have this letter signed by Mitt Romney when he was governor of Massachusetts. He appealed to Congress for increased waiver authority in the program for the sake of moving recipients from welfare to work, because the requirements coming down from the government have just made it difficult for states to help these people find jobs. And as you might expect, in these tough economic times, it's hard for everyone to find work.

    HUTCHISON: Well, what is important is that the work requirement be in place. Even if it is, in many states they have a state requirement that they can do things for the state that the state can't afford to do right now. Why wouldn't an innovative state be able to say, gosh, we have got all these things that need to be done, but our coffers are strapped. So we will take people who are willing to work. And they are taking welfare and we'll put them to work and we'll give them the opportunity to be disciplined and go to work every day and learn maybe a new trade or a new job.

    COSTELLO: But even Mitt Romney, back when he was governor of Massachusetts, wanted these types of waivers because he found it difficult to really truly help people on welfare. He wanted his state of Massachusetts to figure out how to do that best.

    HUTCHISON: Well, I think we are talking about the Obama record here and the federal requirements. And I don't think Mitt Romney meant to have self-help programs be substituted for work training and really making the effort to give people the opportunity to earn more and get a job training skill.

    And I think we are talking about an Obama overreach. There was no warning that he was going to try to change the rules. It would never have gotten through Congress, what he is trying to do. So whether it's Republican governors who are asking for waivers, I don't think any of them are looking at putting reading and self-help exercise classes in place of work training that will give people an opportunity to be a part of a productive society.

    COSTELLO: In fairness, at the time – and going back to when Romney was governor of Massachusetts, he defended a state program that provided automobile insurance and AAA plans to welfare recipients because they had donated cars and they needed to drive to work. And some of these regulations, issued down by the federal government, prevented them from doing that. So I think maybe these Republican governors who requested this of the White House wanted those types of help programs.

    HUTCHISON: And I would agree with that. You want to make it easier. That's why there are also capabilities for people to get good child care when they are on welfare and in a work program. That's something that we all support. We would support making it easier to get to work. But I think the welfare reform is one of the most successful that we have had in this country. And I really applaud Mitt Romney for standing up and saying we don't want to, in any way, lessen the work requirement, because it's had a good impact on the standards of families and children who now don't live in poverty.

    COSTELLO: Even if that's not really true?

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/...
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  • beavith1 NightWi... 2012/08/21 18:15:16
    beavith1
    +3
    have you seen the list of approved 'job alternatives'?

    to even bring up those 'alternatives' torpedoes any relevance to work and to your requested waiver contention.

    what does what Romney did as governor nearly a decade ago have to do with the waivers that Obama is permitting today?

    i don't care if this is a 'waiver' to make the program 'more flexible.' this is a travesty to what 'welfare to work' was supposed to accomplish.
  • NightWi... beavith1 2012/08/21 18:16:21
    NightWish1976
    +1
    Romney does not have a leg to stand on on this issue.
  • beavith1 NightWi... 2012/08/21 18:20:39
    beavith1
    +4
    your interview brought him up as having some sort of relevance to Obama's 'out of the blue' waiver.

    it's not that i don't think he has a leg to stand on this issue, he has no relevance to Obama's effort to eliminate 'welfare to work' by turning it into some sort of new age BS program that we all get stuck paying for. for generations.
  • FanOreilly NightWi... 2012/08/21 21:06:53
    FanOreilly
    Sure he does.

    Romney created and saved jobs.

    Obama created welfare recipients.
  • NightWi... FanOreilly 2012/08/22 01:36:37
    NightWish1976
    +1
    Romney destroyed jobs, that's how he made his money.
  • FanOreilly NightWi... 2012/08/21 21:06:23
  • No nonsense NanC...don't BS... 2012/08/21 17:43:12
    Agree
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    +6
    It reinforces what Thomas Sowell said years ago in the early days of welfare.



    In 1940, 19% of Black homes were fatherless; in 1965, 25% were fatherless and
    today 71% are fatherless. In those homes where there was a strong mother, like
    Charles Payne had, there is a possibility of success. Charles grew up with only
    a mother and two brothers in Harlem, and he has been a success.....which he
    attributes to his mother.



    God Bless America..................
  • Lanikai No nons... 2012/08/21 18:23:49
    Lanikai
    +5
    Today's black welfare mothers often have to give a percentage of the cash benefit to the "baby daddy" for his contribution to her paycheck. Also, a share of food stamps. I see this a lot. And hear the phone calls more often than I care to.

    It is a lifestyle choice to use EVERY program possible, so as not to either have to work, or not spend the cash benefit on expenses, but on frivolous things.

    Nice cars, nice clothes, nice hair and nails, fabulous TV s and cable packages, free toys at Christmas by working the toy give a way programs and a free cell phone from uncle oewbama./ ALL facts of life for those who chose to be slaggards.
  • No nons... Lanikai 2012/08/21 18:28:17
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    +3
    I know our poor has much more than the poor in third world countries........ no wonder
    people are dying to get into America...........

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