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Study Links Spanking to Later Mental Disorders: Is Spanking Ever OK?

mrosen814 2012/07/11 21:00:00
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A study from the American Academy of Pediatrics shows that physical punishment to discipline children, has a strong association with "...increased risks of mental and personality disorders, as well as drug and alcohol abuse."

Though the article points out that spanking does not cause mental health disorders, researchers claim there is a strong correction. The results "send a strong message that spanking should never be used on a child," states Abel Ickowicz, psychiatrist-in-chief at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto.

THEGLOBEANDMAIL.COM reports:
Data doesn’t show that it causes mental disorders, but it does present a statistically significant correlation
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  • XRenX 2012/07/11 21:50:43 (edited)
    Yes
    XRenX
    +36
    I will. Spare the rod spoil the child. I got spankings (the rare few times I needed them) and I am fine. I am a college student, going back this year...I don't think I am crazy. Oh and I recall the singer P!nk saying she was a bad child and is grateful for the spanking discipline she got, otherwise she'd have gone down another path. Not every study is accurate.

    There was a study about weed damaging brain cells (not that I smoke it) and one about classical music making you smarter...both were proven to be myths. I am sick of all these parents now, being too lenient. Do you think that is good? They let their kids smoke, have sex, disrespect them, HIT them, scream and holler in public, etc. Teach them that YOU are in charge and as a parent, you have every God given right to be. You have more life experience than them of course they may not understand every form of discipline or restriction you put on them even upon an explanation. Look at it this way, say you have tried every form of discipline/help there is, except spanking and if all else failed, what would you do? Try what works and if it does, (and it isn't illegal) use it. We need to stop confusing necessary discipline for abuse.

    DISCIPLINE THEM EFFECTIVELY SOME HOW! We don't need anymore criminals than we have now, be a parent. Thank you.

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  • MR. gary 2012/07/13 20:24:38
    MR.
    ...GOD'S STILL LISTENING! (YOU SOUND LIKE OF THE REASONS WHY HE APPROVES HIS "VERY OWN" MESSAGE!)
  • elijahin24 MR. 2012/07/13 17:07:13
    elijahin24
    So true. That's why I stone my children to death when they're disobedient, call bears our of the woods to eat them, if they make fun of my hair; and sell them into slavery!
  • Kyra MR. 2012/07/13 22:27:41
    Kyra
    That scripture does not mean hit your kid. It is talking about guiding your children... like a sheep herder, who uses a rod... not to hit his flock, but to guide it.
  • BubbaGrrl 2012/07/13 06:32:23
    No
    BubbaGrrl
    +3
    No one should hit a child!!! That is wrong!!!
  • Pat 2012/07/13 06:20:58
    No
    Pat
    +5
    No, spanking is never ok. It only teaches the child that violence is a way to get what you want and if you're bigger and stronger, you have power over others.
    I only slapped my daughter once. After I did it I suffered way more than she did. I never hit either one of my kids again. And they both turned out to be kind, loving adults, college grads, gainfully employed and living on their own now. They are both good people and I can't imagine either one of them ever raising a hand to anyone in anger. Violence begets violence. I believe that is whey we are such a violent country. We teach our kids that it's okay to hit people when they are very young. It's not right.
  • JAA Pat 2012/07/13 12:04:57
    JAA
    ROFL!! Baby boomers are WAY less "violent" than the kids we've got growing up today, and almost all of us were spanked! Why do you think the butt is so much plumper than the rest of the body? We're talking about spanking on the bottom here, not "slapping" or beating up the kids!!

    We are a violent country because we are out of control and undisciplined as a society. There is no longer much teaching & discipline being done by parents. Instead, they are relying on the school of hard knocks & that is obviously not working. I bet you are an anti-gun liberal, too, right? I mean, if we say the word "peace", then everyone will stop what they're doing, hold hands & sing "Kumbaya".

    And no, I never had to spank my one and only child, because she was taught respect for herself and authority from day one, & we used a lot of praise and hugs; however, as a nurse and observer of people, there are children who could use with a good old-fashioned spanking BEFORE it's too late for them and society at large.
  • Ramón JAA 2012/07/13 14:18:24
    Ramón
    +1
    I agree. When someone is not taught the proper use of authority, when they are undisciplined themselves, the spanking is also undisciplined. Spanking takes discipline by the spanker so it does not veer into abuse.

    As an elementary school teacher of 20 years I've watched children walking with their parents into school on the first day. I can tell by how the children react to their parents whether they have been properly disciplined by their parents. Parents that are desperate to make their children their friend are almost always the same parents that regret their lack of discipline when their child is older. I've seen it. Those kids in charge of their parents became the ones in juvenile, or teen pregnancy, and on and on. Those parents that made sure they disciplined in love had children that turned out better sooner, who didn't have to learn by the hard knocks of life to be a good person.
  • Pat Ramón 2012/07/13 20:52:09
    Pat
    +1
    how many times do we read about "spanking" or disciplining become a beating where a child is seriously injured or even killed. You need to start from the beginning of a child's life and teach them right from wrong, the way to behave and the way not to behave. If the child doesn't understand or refuses to comply there are other ways of punishment other than hitting them. Hitting them only shows them that whoever is stronger and more brutal gets their way. And is that really what you want them to learn?
  • Pat JAA 2012/07/13 20:53:15
    Pat
    How many times do we read about "spanking" or disciplining become a beating where a child is seriously injured or even killed. You need to start from the beginning of a child's life and teach them right from wrong, the way to behave and the way not to behave. If the child doesn't understand or refuses to comply there are other ways of punishment other than hitting them. Hitting them only shows them that whoever is stronger and more brutal gets their way. And is that really what you want them to learn?
  • JAA Pat 2012/07/13 21:43:50
    JAA
    You've got it all figured out, don't you? As a pediatric nurse, I can assure you that there is spanking for discipline that we NEVER see show up in our units, & then there's the sadistic beatings, shakings, cigarette burning, etc. that show up with CPS & police. I think you need to stop your judgmental attitude toward average parents & just concentrate on the abusers. We should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

    I had 3 brothers & a sister, & I can promise you that 2 of my brothers would NEVER have learned to behave without spankings, & they grew up just like the rest of us, in a loving home. The parental unit tried talking to them, putting them in the corner, having them go without candy, cake, ice cream, etc., putting a sliver of soap in their mouth for a few minutes, being grounded, etc.. My little brother loved mischief & liked starting fires, & another brother liked to bite his siblings. They needed "spanked". It worked. The brothers are respected members of society. ;-)

    And NO, not EVER did I see my parents as "the stronger and more brutal" of the species, nor did any of us grow up to think that "winning" means showing someone who is "stronger and more brutal". I always understood it to be done with love & an end to teach discipline & respect. Without discipline, c...

    &&&&
    You've got it all figured out, don't you? As a pediatric nurse, I can assure you that there is spanking for discipline that we NEVER see show up in our units, & then there's the sadistic beatings, shakings, cigarette burning, etc. that show up with CPS & police. I think you need to stop your judgmental attitude toward average parents & just concentrate on the abusers. We should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

    I had 3 brothers & a sister, & I can promise you that 2 of my brothers would NEVER have learned to behave without spankings, & they grew up just like the rest of us, in a loving home. The parental unit tried talking to them, putting them in the corner, having them go without candy, cake, ice cream, etc., putting a sliver of soap in their mouth for a few minutes, being grounded, etc.. My little brother loved mischief & liked starting fires, & another brother liked to bite his siblings. They needed "spanked". It worked. The brothers are respected members of society. ;-)

    And NO, not EVER did I see my parents as "the stronger and more brutal" of the species, nor did any of us grow up to think that "winning" means showing someone who is "stronger and more brutal". I always understood it to be done with love & an end to teach discipline & respect. Without discipline, children grow up like they are doing today . . . with lack of respect, discipline, critical thinking, etc. And is that really what you want them to learn?

    My one and only child, a daughter, was popped once on her diaper for trying to stick things in the wall socket. It only hurt her feelings & shocked her into removing herself from the safety hazard. She is now 24 yrs old, a cryptological Hebrew linguist, pre-law student and Staff Sergent in the USAF, overseas. I couldn't ask for a better child, & I don't think she could have had better parents. I recommend spanking only as a necessity when other means don't work, & dependent on the child. For you to unilaterally tell others that there is NO time for spanking is to reveal a naive & self-righteous attitude, IMO.
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  • Pat JAA 2012/07/13 22:17:33
    Pat
    Well, you have your opinion and I have mine. I'm glad your daughter turned out well. My children did too.
    You will never convince me that it's okay to strike a child for any reason. I believe it teaches them that might makes right and if you're bigger and hit someone you'll get your way.
    Well, I'm not going to go through the whole explanation again. We'll have to agree to disagree. Neither of us will change our minds.
  • JAA Pat 2012/07/13 22:20:49
    JAA
    Great, I'm glad we got the "your opinion/my opinion" thing sorted out, if nothing else. Just try not to be so self-righteous when you've not walked in someone else's moccasins. Take care.
  • Pat JAA 2012/07/13 22:45:39
    Pat
    You know, I was going to let this go but...I don't think I was being self-righteous just because I don't believe in hitting a child. I explained my reasons for feeling the way I do and they are pretty much in sinc with the findings of the medical personnel who have studied this issue. Just because we disagree it doesn't mean that I'm being self-righteous. Neither of us is self-righteous. You and I have walked our own paths in our own shoes and have come to different conclusions, that's all. Have a nice evening.
  • JAA Pat 2012/07/14 12:31:42 (edited)
    JAA
    The self-righteousness has nothing to do with your beliefs about hitting a child, but it says a lot about how you condemn others who do. I understand that you are coming from a different perspective; however, that does not give you the right to emphatically tell others that they are wrong, and you're making assumptions that all spanking is coming from a position of anger on the part of the parents. Out of all the spankings I've had as someone's child & as a student in school (spanking was the norm back in the 50's & 60's), I don't remember even one being administered in anger, nor do I remember ever being hit in any other area other than my buttocks. You're passing judgment on others without knowing the circumstances. THAT is the "self-righteousness" of which I speak.

    As a "medical personnel" and university professor, I can with much assurance tell you that unless we see how the research was conducted, how many subjects were used, any extenuating circumstances (problem children vs "normal" children, Northern vs Southern children, type of disciplinary problems, what has been tried in the past with that same child, any formal counseling or psychiatric visits), etc., then like all research, we must take it with a grain of salt. A study needs to be both valid and reliable in ord...

    &&&
    The self-righteousness has nothing to do with your beliefs about hitting a child, but it says a lot about how you condemn others who do. I understand that you are coming from a different perspective; however, that does not give you the right to emphatically tell others that they are wrong, and you're making assumptions that all spanking is coming from a position of anger on the part of the parents. Out of all the spankings I've had as someone's child & as a student in school (spanking was the norm back in the 50's & 60's), I don't remember even one being administered in anger, nor do I remember ever being hit in any other area other than my buttocks. You're passing judgment on others without knowing the circumstances. THAT is the "self-righteousness" of which I speak.

    As a "medical personnel" and university professor, I can with much assurance tell you that unless we see how the research was conducted, how many subjects were used, any extenuating circumstances (problem children vs "normal" children, Northern vs Southern children, type of disciplinary problems, what has been tried in the past with that same child, any formal counseling or psychiatric visits), etc., then like all research, we must take it with a grain of salt. A study needs to be both valid and reliable in order for it to be useful, and I don't think that our kids are being taught in school how to evaluate "studies", research, statistics and gossip so that they are not believing everything they read.

    For instance, there was a study done last year, as I recall, that indicated that "gossip" was good for us, and yet any thinking individual with morals and common sense will tell you that gossip is harmful to those who spread it & those who listen to it, & that it often destroys lives. We've also been told that peanut butter causes cancer, then studies showed that was not valid, then another one that said the jury was still out on it. Do you see what I'm saying? Gullibility & naivety is detrimental to any healthy society, much more so than spanking a child on the "padded" part of their body.
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  • Pat JAA 2012/07/14 19:50:39
    Pat
    I was born in 1950 and neither I nor my brother and sister were ever hit by either of our parents. None of us ever went wild or crazy in our teens and we're all pretty responsible adults. None of us hit our children either. It can be done regardless of what studies are done or how many papers and books are written on the subject. We disagree and I won't try to convince you that I'm right and you're wrong. But I still believe that hitting a child is wrong and sets the wrong example. If that's being self-righteous then, so be it.
  • JAA Pat 2012/07/14 19:57:44 (edited)
    JAA
    Good for you!! I'm glad you were saints & your parents were saints. That's what, 5 more people who the Catholic Church can consider for Sainthood.

    Hitting a child IS wrong, but spanking them is NOT. God even tells us that if we spare the rod (don't spank), we spoil the child. I'll take God's advice over yours, thank you. Also, let me reiterate to you that spanking is NOT the first line of discipline that parents should try, but rather a last resort when a recalcitrant child refuses to learn from verbal cues or "crime fitting punishment" maneuvers.
  • Pat JAA 2012/07/14 20:11:56
    Pat
    I'm sorry I've upset you to the point where you have to use such sarcasm toward me and my family. No one is perfect not even my family but I was never afraid of my parents. I knew that no matter what problem I had, they would never blow up at me and they'd try their best to help me. If they were parents that used corporal punishment, I don't think I would have gone to them when I was in trouble or had a problem. I would have been afraid.
    All families are different. I'm glad I had mine and you seem happy with yours. I guess that's all that matters.
  • Ramón Pat 2012/07/17 03:20:56
    Ramón
    +1
    The sarcasm hides a truth... you were probably a good kid and your parents didn't have to use sterner measures to get you in line. Read my earlier post about the family with 2 good kids followed by the kid from hades.
  • Ramón Pat 2012/07/17 03:18:43
    Ramón
    +1
    I knew a family whose first 2 children were naturally obedient and compliant. They went around telling the rest of us with normal kids what we should do better. Their third child got the stuff the first two didn't, he was the child from hades, and they stopped giving out advice. Your kids were probably gonna be good kids no matter who their parents were. Most kids aren't like that.
  • Pat Ramón 2012/07/17 03:28:06
    Pat
    +1
    Maybe we lucked out. I don't know but we did have good kids and do my sister and brother. Not a bad one in the bunch. We are very fortunate.
  • Nuke 2012/07/13 06:08:11
    Yes
    Nuke
    +2
    I think it's a big load of bunk and those who did the study are morons.
    Kids are out of control because there isn't enough spanking going on... Lack of punishment =Spoiled and obnoxious adults.
  • elijahin24 Nuke 2012/07/13 17:08:01
    elijahin24
    +1
    Yeah, why trust science?
  • Nuke elijahin24 2012/07/14 00:23:23
    Nuke
    Because what I see is far more reliable than some quacks pushing their own agenda to push falsehoods.
  • elijahin24 Nuke 2012/07/14 01:22:36
    elijahin24
    Sure. Because you're obviously more knowledgeable than people who study this stuff.
  • Nuke elijahin24 2012/07/14 01:30:05
    Nuke
    I know from the people I interact with and people I see and everything I've ever seen contradicts what they're telling people.
    Healthy kids were properly disciplined and spanking is part of that, you obviously have no clue or you'd be agreeing with me.
    Were you ever spanked or punished at all?
  • elijahin24 Nuke 2012/07/14 02:00:32
    elijahin24
    I was spanked a lot as a child. I also spanked my kids for a very short time, before I realized that there are better ways of disciplining them. Sometimes I have them do push-ups, or flutter-kicks. I also have them write papers about what they did wrong, and why it was wrong. Other times, if what they did damaged something of someone elses, I make them give up something that they will miss, so that they can understand how that person feels.
    Most importantly, when the punishment is over, we talk. The kids get the chance to tell me if they feel I was unfair, and I rebut their argument, and explain to them that I'm punishing them because I love them. And because as their father, it's my job to train them to be good people as adults. Discipline shouldn't be about punishment. It should be about teaching. Spanking is lazy.
  • Nuke elijahin24 2012/07/17 04:19:41
    Nuke
    Spanking isn't lazy at all and yes there are all sorts of ways to punish kids but doing some of what you said doesn't always work for every kid, I got spanked as a child and I deserved it because I was a smartass and hard headed.
    I know for me taking away stuff I cared about didn't work just like a lot of kids.
    I think it's great to find a way to punish your kids in different ways but don't tell me that spanking is abuse or some BS. about brain damage because unless the brain somehow managed to move to the butt I'm not buying it.
  • elijahin24 Nuke 2012/07/17 13:06:42
    elijahin24
    Not brain damage, psychological damage. And that's science. You don't have to like it, but it's not just made up. It's the result of years of study. Spanking IS abusive. And I'm guilty. I did it for a while, before I found a better way. But it IS abuse.
  • Nuke elijahin24 2012/07/17 20:03:06
    Nuke
    It has never caused me nor anyone I know "psychological damage", I think there's already something wrong with you if you're traumatized by a spanking and yes I believe it IS made up and NO it's NOT abuse in any way shape or form.
    There is a huge difference between spanking and abuse but maybe you don't have common sense enough to know that.
  • elijahin24 Nuke 2012/07/17 20:04:54
    elijahin24
    Imagine my surprise, that you present no evidence of any kind to support your claim, but you jump straight to insults. I'm done with you now.
  • Nuke elijahin24 2012/07/17 20:16:20 (edited)
    Nuke
    I did not just jump into insults, I waited to the end to insult your intellect so I guess I'm proven right that you have no clue what you're talking about.
    MY evidence is everyone I know and myself have no damage due to spanking but as I said, I guess you just aren't bright enough to catch that.
    Do people talk slowly when their around you to accommodate for your lack of mental capacity?
    THAT was insult, then again you just proved you have no common sense to know the differences between things...
    Now don't forget to wear your helmet today, you're going to need it, sounds like it's a rough day for you to understand anything simple but maybe that's normal for you.
  • elijahin24 Nuke 2012/07/17 23:07:11
    elijahin24
    The funny thing here, is that your behavior is supporting the study. Clearly some pretty serious damage WAS done. Something made you this way.
  • Nuke elijahin24 2012/07/18 23:14:14
  • elijahin24 Nuke 2012/07/19 01:33:07
    elijahin24
    Well, I'll try as hard as I can, to live with that guilt. Hang on...
    ...Ok, I'm over it. That was easier than I thought.
  • Ramón Nuke 2012/07/17 03:22:25
    Ramón
    The falsehood of spanking not being good is just that... the history of life with adults and children says that discipline (yes, sometimes a spanking) does no harm when done in love and not in anger. When done in anger the same history demonstrates the damage it causes.
  • Nuke Ramón 2012/07/17 04:21:28
    Nuke
    That's why you don't do it in anger, there is a HUGE difference between abuse and spanking, if you don't want to spank your kids then you do that but you're going to be dealing with many consequences of a wild and out of control child later.
  • Pat Nuke 2012/07/13 20:51:12
    Pat
    how many times do we read about "spanking" or disciplining become a beating where a child is seriously injured or even killed. You need to start from the beginning of a child's life and teach them right from wrong, the way to behave and the way not to behave. If the child doesn't understand or refuses to comply there are other ways of punishment other than hitting them. Hitting them only shows them that whoever is stronger and more brutal gets their way. And is that really what you want them to learn?
  • Nuke Pat 2012/07/14 00:46:59
    Nuke
    I'm not talking about beating a child or abuse, I'm taking about a spanking, a swat on the butt, you can teach kids right from wrong but there are some kids who just don't get it and need something.
    I was one of those kids with an attitude who was stubborn and any spanking I got I deserved, As long as the parent does it right away so the kid knows why they were being spanked it's fine.
    You people obviously have no clue that there's a stark difference between spanking and abuse.
    Time outs rarely work, kids are out of control because parents aren't disciplining their kids properly which is why so many kids are out of control with no respect for anyone.
  • Amber 2012/07/13 05:03:24
    Yes
    Amber
    +2
    Spanking is not beating the living hell out of a kid. Beating the hell out of them is abuse... Not spanking.
  • Pat Amber 2012/07/13 20:50:41
    Pat
    how many times do we read about "spanking" or disciplining become a beating where a child is seriously injured or even killed. You need to start from the beginning of a child's life and teach them right from wrong, the way to behave and the way not to behave. If the child doesn't understand or refuses to comply there are other ways of punishment other than hitting them. Hitting them only shows them that whoever is stronger and more brutal gets their way. And is that really what you want them to learn?

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