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Study Links Spanking to Later Mental Disorders: Is Spanking Ever OK?

mrosen814 2012/07/11 21:00:00
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A study from the American Academy of Pediatrics shows that physical punishment to discipline children, has a strong association with "...increased risks of mental and personality disorders, as well as drug and alcohol abuse."

Though the article points out that spanking does not cause mental health disorders, researchers claim there is a strong correction. The results "send a strong message that spanking should never be used on a child," states Abel Ickowicz, psychiatrist-in-chief at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto.

THEGLOBEANDMAIL.COM reports:
Data doesn’t show that it causes mental disorders, but it does present a statistically significant correlation
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  • XRenX 2012/07/11 21:50:43 (edited)
    Yes
    XRenX
    +36
    I will. Spare the rod spoil the child. I got spankings (the rare few times I needed them) and I am fine. I am a college student, going back this year...I don't think I am crazy. Oh and I recall the singer P!nk saying she was a bad child and is grateful for the spanking discipline she got, otherwise she'd have gone down another path. Not every study is accurate.

    There was a study about weed damaging brain cells (not that I smoke it) and one about classical music making you smarter...both were proven to be myths. I am sick of all these parents now, being too lenient. Do you think that is good? They let their kids smoke, have sex, disrespect them, HIT them, scream and holler in public, etc. Teach them that YOU are in charge and as a parent, you have every God given right to be. You have more life experience than them of course they may not understand every form of discipline or restriction you put on them even upon an explanation. Look at it this way, say you have tried every form of discipline/help there is, except spanking and if all else failed, what would you do? Try what works and if it does, (and it isn't illegal) use it. We need to stop confusing necessary discipline for abuse.

    DISCIPLINE THEM EFFECTIVELY SOME HOW! We don't need anymore criminals than we have now, be a parent. Thank you.

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  • XRenX Kyra 2012/07/14 18:58:45
    XRenX
    +1
    They still use a literal rod to physically correct, if not hit the sheep. I recall in the book I read, it mentioned nudging the sheep if they are too stubborn to get back to the rest of the herd when venturing out too far.
  • laydeel... XRenX 2012/07/14 06:48:43
    laydeelapis
    My dad spanked me as a child and it's done nothing but make me fear him. And he regrets that now because it's negatively affected our relationship. I get your reasoning and it might work for some people (like you) but it won't work for everyone. In my opinion, its effects are too uncertain for it to be used as discipline.
  • XRenX laydeel... 2012/07/14 19:01:00 (edited)
    XRenX
    Something I have learned from everyone is distinctive story is just how complex this situation is. I am amazed. There could be different reasons as to why discipline affected them the way it did and one could be that the parents are too strict, I feared my dad b/c of his past verbal (harsh) tactics, so I can understand that. Of course, he is better now as well. I notice, with more aggressive children who act out often tend to take spankings better. They are less sensitive.
  • laydeel... XRenX 2012/07/15 04:23:29
    laydeelapis
    +1
    Yeah, I think in my case it was just a combination of me pissing him off and him not being very good at containing his anger. I'm against spanking but I think things like the parents own personality should be considered if they choose to use it as a method of disciplining their child. Also, I liked how in one of your earlier comments you said the parent shouldn't do it when they are angry. I don't think I would have had such an issue with being hit if I wasn't being yelled at and having to deal with their words at the same time.
  • Emily XRenX 2012/07/14 16:40:57
    Emily
    There is always another option. Physical abuse, which is what it is, whilst it is a deterrent, what does it teach? What do you learn? If I hit someone and then my dad spanks me, telling me hitting is wrong, that's messed up, right? "Hitting is wrong, and thus I will hit you to show you hitting is wrong." Um, yeah, REALLY effective.
  • XRenX Emily 2012/07/14 19:03:19 (edited)
    XRenX
    Hitting is only wrong when you are out to prove yourself or when it is the result of anger. Just like taking things away. If a parent takers something away from their child, (say a preferred toy) as an act of discipline, it teaches the child something; that what they've done should not be repeated. If a person takes something away from someone else, it is stealing. It all depends on the situation and the purpose for a certain outcome. Any form of discipline done on kids would be considered pointless and in a different context if it is done someone else, b/c you are not trying to teach/guide/correct them.
  • Emily XRenX 2012/07/14 22:04:37
    Emily
    So let's compare a time-out (as promoted by Jo Frost of "Supernanny" fame) and a spanking on a few levels.

    Teaching:
    Time out- teaches the child that when you have done something bad, you need to calm down, think about what's really to be done, and then apologise for your behaviour.
    Spanking- teaches the child that when you are bad, you get hit, so if someone else is bad, hit them.
    Solving the behaviour in the long term:
    Time out- encourages contemplation of behaviour and apologising for bad behaviour, leading to implementation of this without the need for time out in the future.
    Spanking- holds behaviour in with fear of spanking. If the threat goes away, then the behaviour is likely to be repeated, as they know there is no spanking.
    Effectiveness after the fact:
    Time out- the child has had time to calm down away from the site and has likely thought about how they are meant to behave and are therefore more able to interact well.
    Spanking- The child is punished instantly with no time to contemplate their action, and returns to the situation in the same mindset as before the punishment, likely leading to a repeat of the negative behaviour.

    And do we see how time outs are really looking effective and sensible here? Now, this a time out in the method of: 1) Warning, 2) Time-out on the "naug...

    So let's compare a time-out (as promoted by Jo Frost of "Supernanny" fame) and a spanking on a few levels.

    Teaching:
    Time out- teaches the child that when you have done something bad, you need to calm down, think about what's really to be done, and then apologise for your behaviour.
    Spanking- teaches the child that when you are bad, you get hit, so if someone else is bad, hit them.
    Solving the behaviour in the long term:
    Time out- encourages contemplation of behaviour and apologising for bad behaviour, leading to implementation of this without the need for time out in the future.
    Spanking- holds behaviour in with fear of spanking. If the threat goes away, then the behaviour is likely to be repeated, as they know there is no spanking.
    Effectiveness after the fact:
    Time out- the child has had time to calm down away from the site and has likely thought about how they are meant to behave and are therefore more able to interact well.
    Spanking- The child is punished instantly with no time to contemplate their action, and returns to the situation in the same mindset as before the punishment, likely leading to a repeat of the negative behaviour.

    And do we see how time outs are really looking effective and sensible here? Now, this a time out in the method of: 1) Warning, 2) Time-out on the "naughty step/ chair", 1 minute per year of age, 3) Explain why they're there and leave, starting the timer, 4) If they get up, without communication, they are replaced and the timer starts again, 5) Explain again why they're on the naughty step, 6) Child apologises, 7) Hugs and kisses.

    If you have children, please put this method (time-out as described above) in immediately, before they are taught all of the above by spanking.
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  • XRenX Emily 2012/07/15 00:10:59 (edited)
    XRenX
    "Spanking holds behavior in with fear of spanking" -which will cause the child's negativity from said action to cease.

    "Spanking the child is punished instantly with no time to contemplate their action"- which is the sole purpose of warnings after the child's first offense. They will gain an understanding that their behavior/action that has taken place is wrong. If they repeat it....they obviously know what they are doing and are taking advantage of an opportune moment to act as they wish. Prior to spanking my child, I would provide a warning containing the explanation of why such an act of theirs is wrong and should not happen again. If they fail again, I will give them their punishment and take note that this behavior is intentional on their part, and needs correction before such behavior continues.


    "And do we see how time outs are really looking effective and sensible here? Now, this a time out in the method of: 1) Warning, 2) Time-out on the "naughty step/ chair", 1 minute per year of age, 3) Explain why they're there and leave, starting the timer, 4) If they get up, without communication, they are replaced and the timer starts again, 5) Explain again why they're on the naughty step, 6) Child apologies, 7) Hugs and kisses."

    I disagree. I have seen time outs fail constantly w...



    "Spanking holds behavior in with fear of spanking" -which will cause the child's negativity from said action to cease.

    "Spanking the child is punished instantly with no time to contemplate their action"- which is the sole purpose of warnings after the child's first offense. They will gain an understanding that their behavior/action that has taken place is wrong. If they repeat it....they obviously know what they are doing and are taking advantage of an opportune moment to act as they wish. Prior to spanking my child, I would provide a warning containing the explanation of why such an act of theirs is wrong and should not happen again. If they fail again, I will give them their punishment and take note that this behavior is intentional on their part, and needs correction before such behavior continues.


    "And do we see how time outs are really looking effective and sensible here? Now, this a time out in the method of: 1) Warning, 2) Time-out on the "naughty step/ chair", 1 minute per year of age, 3) Explain why they're there and leave, starting the timer, 4) If they get up, without communication, they are replaced and the timer starts again, 5) Explain again why they're on the naughty step, 6) Child apologies, 7) Hugs and kisses."

    I disagree. I have seen time outs fail constantly with the most rambunctious and aggressive of children. The child with this type of personality is in need of something more strict. If they are aggressive in their actions then the form of punishment should be proportional to that. If they are also aggressive in their persona, then they may not break down and cower over a spanking.This little description of yours sounds like a fairy tale, something completely fabricated. As a child who was spanked, it did change my mindset b/c I knew what I did was wrong. It simply taught me a lesson and I am glad my parents did this now. I was smart enough to know that I was the one who made the mistake. The child will learn when a thorough explanation is given for the reasoning of any form of punishment.

    Also, time-outs can be seen as isolation from people b/c the child is no longer loved. It can leave the child feeling left out. Any form of punishment has a risk of somehow hurting the child emotionally, from what I have learned here. Here is a link that shows that time-outs are not ALWAYS the best for EACH child. Still, every study has it's exceptions to the rule.

    http://www.sheknows.com/paren...
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  • Emily XRenX 2012/07/15 13:00:36
    Emily
    The issue with time-outs as in the article is that they are not properly instated, and with the hugs and kisses at the end, they know they are accepted again. And a properly executed time-out always works. Watch a couple of episodes of Supernanny to find out. I don't see how fear of a person hitting you will hold your behaviour as a child when the person is gone. And spanked kids are more likely to be criminals. You're fairly lucky.

    You gave me some reading, so here's some for you:
    http://www.askdrsears.com/top...
    This should substantiate my statement about crime for you.
  • XRenX Emily 2012/07/16 00:36:31 (edited)
    XRenX
    "A properly executed time out always works". I have watched that fail on a little girl today actually. She was told to remain seated for a while b/c she pushed her baby brother off of a platform and she still went back to not listening. Her mother scolds her and that fails just as time outs do for her personally. I do not believe in time outs always being the best method. As for criminals, actually children without fathers (father being the best people to discipline since it seems since I've noted people are more responsive to males) are more likely to be criminals.

    Whatever articles we post to one another can easily be refuted. These articles are both horribly biased. There are just too many exceptions to each of these, (as I mentioned something of similar nature in my previous post with another article link). I just wanted to show you a different perspective. I believe in time outs and If they work great, then spanking isn't necessary in THAT case. I have just observed that time outs are not always fool proof.

    In short, whatever method works for my child and does not affect them severely, I will use. If spanking isn't right for them and time outs work, I would love to use that method instead. Discipline is not pleasant for anyone and is VERY hard to do. I can't even yell at ...
    "A properly executed time out always works". I have watched that fail on a little girl today actually. She was told to remain seated for a while b/c she pushed her baby brother off of a platform and she still went back to not listening. Her mother scolds her and that fails just as time outs do for her personally. I do not believe in time outs always being the best method. As for criminals, actually children without fathers (father being the best people to discipline since it seems since I've noted people are more responsive to males) are more likely to be criminals.

    Whatever articles we post to one another can easily be refuted. These articles are both horribly biased. There are just too many exceptions to each of these, (as I mentioned something of similar nature in my previous post with another article link). I just wanted to show you a different perspective. I believe in time outs and If they work great, then spanking isn't necessary in THAT case. I have just observed that time outs are not always fool proof.

    In short, whatever method works for my child and does not affect them severely, I will use. If spanking isn't right for them and time outs work, I would love to use that method instead. Discipline is not pleasant for anyone and is VERY hard to do. I can't even yell at kids now, (I don't really have to since they are not mine) I just know in the future, I will have to discipline my future children to the best of my abilities and whatever is best for THEM personally.
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  • AguardianF 2012/07/11 21:48:56
    No
    AguardianF
    +1
    well i don't have kids, but if they are disrespectful I will. but anyway, i've been hit by my parents many times and I don't have a mental disorder. that i'm aware of anyway...
  • Becky AguardianF 2012/07/12 15:00:13
    Becky
    It is SAD that you feel this way. Hitting is not being a responsible parent, it just teaches children to be ABUSIVE, they REPEAT what was done to them.
  • YeahISa... Becky 2012/07/13 15:37:01
    YeahISaidIt
    +2
    Spanking is for discipline, BEATINGS are abuse.
  • AguardianF Becky 2012/07/13 21:54:29
    AguardianF
    ok...i've been put in the hospital by my parents before and i still don't have a mental disorder. don't tell me what is or isn't sad about hitting kids. when i have kids and when they do something majorly wrong (being disrespectful is a majorly wrong thing to me), they will get hit. But I would never take things to an extent my parents did. I have already made that decision, and I'm standing by it. It is true that what a child sees they will probably do the same thing growing up, its probably why I get angry a lot sometimes; because I see my mom get angry and the rest of the family just deals with it. But there are things that my parents taught me through the years that aren't all that bad. Part of how kids grow up is how they are treated, the other part of how they grow up is how they interpret and give back what the world did to them. Good day.
  • HiYa 2012/07/11 21:46:52
    No
    HiYa
    +3
    I don't have children, but I was spanked and as a result, I struggle with thinking that any authorities in my life are against me.
  • Charmaine HiYa 2012/07/11 23:16:47
    Charmaine
    +1
    You think that way because you are a badass and you are rebellious!!! Authority will be against you when you are wrong, did you know that???
  • HiYa Charmaine 2012/07/12 00:49:05
    HiYa
    +2
    Gee, that doesn't describe me at all.
  • JCD aka... HiYa 2012/07/12 06:41:33
    JCD aka "biz"
    +2
    Charmaine's comment was stupid.
  • Charmaine JCD aka... 2012/07/12 08:22:32
    Charmaine
    I KNOW!!! I am so proud of me
  • HiYa JCD aka... 2012/07/12 18:38:03
    HiYa
    Thanks! Charmaine is silly, to put it mildly.

    She probably works as a an unsuccessful, broke @$$ fortune teller. I have no idea why she thinks she knows anything about me, or has any inclinations where I am concerned.
  • valeria... Charmaine 2012/07/12 07:58:19
    valeria la potra
    +1
    You're so mean and cold hearted!! WOW!
  • Charmaine valeria... 2012/07/12 08:23:33
  • valeria... HiYa 2012/07/12 07:57:01
    valeria la potra
    +2
    You have my support ok:)
  • HiYa valeria... 2012/07/12 18:34:11
    HiYa
    Awwww thanks sweetpea!
    I didnt' have any run-ins with Charmaine. She's probably just bored... I didn't let it bother me, but thanks for your support in any event.
  • BongRipper 2012/07/11 21:45:26
    No
    BongRipper
    +3
    Are you trying to tell me that violence isn't a good teacher?
  • Dagon 2012/07/11 21:44:45
  • Dan 2012/07/11 21:42:44
    Yes
    Dan
    +11
    Not spanking leads to even more mental disorders. And there is a difference between spanking and abusing.
  • BongRipper Dan 2012/07/11 21:46:00
    BongRipper
    +1
    I see you've applied all of your education in child psychology to answer this question
  • Dan BongRipper 2012/07/12 01:16:08
    Dan
    +2
    Actualy I have a degree higher than a child psychologist. I'm a parent.
  • BongRipper Dan 2012/07/12 08:37:20
    BongRipper
    HA!
  • Dan BongRipper 2012/07/12 16:00:53 (edited)
    Dan
    I see you've applied all of your education in your response.
  • BongRipper Dan 2012/07/12 21:15:32
  • Dan BongRipper 2012/07/13 01:30:01
    Dan
    Which study do you mean? The one that says spanking leads to mental disorders or the one that says kids who are spanked are more likely to grow up happier? I think studies that waste tax payer money to come up with different results every time they are done are what is, as you say, "f'd up".
  • BongRipper Dan 2012/07/13 02:40:27
    BongRipper
    Of course, but don't pretend being a parent is the same as being a child psychologist
  • Dan BongRipper 2012/07/13 03:00:41 (edited)
    Dan
    Of course they're not the same. College education could never measure up to real experience.
  • Becky BongRipper 2012/07/12 15:01:51
    Becky
    LOL!!!!!!
  • XRenX Dan 2012/07/11 21:54:47
    XRenX
    +11
    Exactly. No discipline means no respect. I see it all the time. In fact, it is almost a crime to discilpine your kid now. You have to be there friend and ASK them to do something, not tell them apparently. Kids get friends at school or around town, they need authority figures first.
  • jubil8 BN-0 PON 2012/07/11 21:40:59
    No
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    I spanked my older daughter once and was so upset that I never did it again, and when her sister crossed the line (she lied, age 2), I offered her a choice between a punishment I knew she'd hate or a fast spank-and-done. She chose the spanking, got a smack on the butt, over and out. My older daughter has NEVER raised a hand to any of her children (5, 7, 9).

    My parents spanked me, but it didn't do any good. Maybe mental disorders are only an issue if your parents make you feel like they're pushing you around or something -- I never felt like that. I figured it was easy: Mom wanted to teach me something, I didn't care. Spank away. On to the next challenge. :)

    I'm pretty old, and Dr. Spock was all the rage when I was little. My mother thought he was a fraud because NOTHING he suggested worked on me. Then my sister came along, and his ideas worked. She decided he wasn't the problem, I was.
  • jerry.a... jubil8 ... 2012/07/12 08:55:14
    jerry.alan.carroll
    +1
    Spock was a fraud....a total idiot. did you know one of his kids committed suicide in prison?
    He realized he was all wrong and openly admitted it.
  • jubil8 ... jerry.a... 2012/07/12 21:02:56
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +1
    Actually both his sons were still alive when he died -- a GRANDson committed suicide, but he was schizophrenic so his action didn't necessarily relate to his upbringing.

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