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Study Links Spanking to Later Mental Disorders: Is Spanking Ever OK?

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A study from the American Academy of Pediatrics shows that physical punishment to discipline children, has a strong association with "...increased risks of mental and personality disorders, as well as drug and alcohol abuse."

Though the article points out that spanking does not cause mental health disorders, researchers claim there is a strong correction. The results "send a strong message that spanking should never be used on a child," states Abel Ickowicz, psychiatrist-in-chief at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto.

THEGLOBEANDMAIL.COM reports:
Data doesn’t show that it causes mental disorders, but it does present a statistically significant correlation
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  • XRenX 2012/07/11 21:50:43 (edited)
    Yes
    XRenX
    +36
    I will. Spare the rod spoil the child. I got spankings (the rare few times I needed them) and I am fine. I am a college student, going back this year...I don't think I am crazy. Oh and I recall the singer P!nk saying she was a bad child and is grateful for the spanking discipline she got, otherwise she'd have gone down another path. Not every study is accurate.

    There was a study about weed damaging brain cells (not that I smoke it) and one about classical music making you smarter...both were proven to be myths. I am sick of all these parents now, being too lenient. Do you think that is good? They let their kids smoke, have sex, disrespect them, HIT them, scream and holler in public, etc. Teach them that YOU are in charge and as a parent, you have every God given right to be. You have more life experience than them of course they may not understand every form of discipline or restriction you put on them even upon an explanation. Look at it this way, say you have tried every form of discipline/help there is, except spanking and if all else failed, what would you do? Try what works and if it does, (and it isn't illegal) use it. We need to stop confusing necessary discipline for abuse.

    DISCIPLINE THEM EFFECTIVELY SOME HOW! We don't need anymore criminals than we have now, be a parent. Thank you.

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  • XRenX Sir Bud 2012/07/13 08:49:09 (edited)
    XRenX
    I got spanked and I am practically a pacifist. My parents got spanked with switches and belts (too strict in my opinion) and they are extremely peaceful people.There is a big difference between punishment and violence. Punishment must be unpleasant for a reason. You have to teach them when they are wrong (and often times they know what they do is wrong, I did as a kid) and not to do it again. Simply talking to the child doesn't usually work. They see it as, "Oh, this is all I get for doing this?...Wow....I'm going to do it again." They think they can walk all over their authority figures and I cannot tell you how many times I have seen this happen.

    I think people confuse spanking in with violence because of the way the older generation did so. Like I mentioned, they used switches, belts and were over the top in my opinion. That was not the case for me. My spankings did not leave a mark. I never cried from the pain, I cried from my bruised prude because being punished does that and it is a reminder of the unpleasant consequences of our actions. When my parents spanked me, I knew it wasn't them being violent. I was smart enough and old enough to understand that it was my PUNISHMENT. Children are not as dumb as we'd like to think. Even a baby who drop objects on the floor just t...









    I got spanked and I am practically a pacifist. My parents got spanked with switches and belts (too strict in my opinion) and they are extremely peaceful people.There is a big difference between punishment and violence. Punishment must be unpleasant for a reason. You have to teach them when they are wrong (and often times they know what they do is wrong, I did as a kid) and not to do it again. Simply talking to the child doesn't usually work. They see it as, "Oh, this is all I get for doing this?...Wow....I'm going to do it again." They think they can walk all over their authority figures and I cannot tell you how many times I have seen this happen.

    I think people confuse spanking in with violence because of the way the older generation did so. Like I mentioned, they used switches, belts and were over the top in my opinion. That was not the case for me. My spankings did not leave a mark. I never cried from the pain, I cried from my bruised prude because being punished does that and it is a reminder of the unpleasant consequences of our actions. When my parents spanked me, I knew it wasn't them being violent. I was smart enough and old enough to understand that it was my PUNISHMENT. Children are not as dumb as we'd like to think. Even a baby who drop objects on the floor just to watch you pick it up again knows what they are doing because of repetition.

    A child often times knows what they do is wrong and they know their are consequences, also based on repetition. They also realize spanking is one of them. You say children perceive spankings as violence? Do they perceive time out as isolation from others because no one wants them? Do they perceive getting things taking away as having things stolen from them wrongfully? Some children, though not all, can perceive different punishments as something negative and unfair, just as a teenager sees being denied alcohol as their parent just trying to ruin their fun. Still, some form of correction must be made, regardless of how their childish, undeveloped and naive minds may view it. The best we can and should do for every punishment, is explain our reasoning for doing so.

    Time outs, don't always work for every child. I don't see how just because spanking is the only method that may work for some, means that the child and parent don't have a good relationship? I know a 16 year old girl who has a mother that seems to use a more passive parenting tactic. I found recently, that she attempted to beat up her own grandmother. You know what her grandma did? She didn't talk to her, she didn't ask her to stop....She spanked her as she had every right to. She also had the right to defend herself from being beaten.

    If the child acts out often and let's say they have a good parent still, does that mean the relationship is bad all of the time. Some kids are just mischievous by their own nature. Just as you reward them pleasantly for their rightful decisions so they repeat them, you do the same with punishment for wrong behavior so they don't repeat it. Violence (with the exception of self defense) serves no positive purpose and is only meant to hurt, not help. If I had a child who was out of control and I tried every possible method known to man besides spanking and nothing worked, what would I do?

    "If an adult cannot get his/her message over to the child without violence(which incorporates fear) then there is something wrong with that adult" The same could be said by some, for if a parent has to yell at the child or take some other form of strict disciplinary action but the truth is, some strict discipline must be taken as a last resort. First a warning, if that fails, time out. I that also fails along with other similar punishments, then tough correction must be given because such behavior is unacceptable. I have never known anyone who has gotten spanked as a child, to grow up to be violent. I have observed quite the opposite in every scenario.

    Proverbs 22:15 - Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; The rod of correction will drive it far from him.
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  • Kidasha 2012/07/12 00:00:53
    No
    Kidasha
    +2
    There are plenty other ways of disciplining than hitting a child. I was hit as a child and I swear to God I will never put my child through such things
  • Michael 2012/07/11 23:56:34
    No
    Michael
    +1
    Canada, which has a population of one tenth (29,000,000) the US and Toronto, where the study was done, a little more than one percent of the US (4,000,000), USA=313,232,044, has a lot of nerve coming up with that correlation. You must take out first the predisposed of the children because of a possible "inherited mental disorder" from the parents, which may make people uncomfortable, but is a fact to consider. Also, take out the drug habits, alcohol abuse habits, and personality disorders. THere you will find a correlation. Not the spanking itself.
  • Erik Dean 2012/07/11 23:52:35
    No
    Erik Dean
    Well, recreationally among consenting adults, yes.
    As a form of punishment for children, no. I always got punished with words, physical pain fades in minutes, the emotional and psychological torture of well chosen lasts a lifetime.
  • realist 2012/07/11 23:48:47
    Yes
    realist
    +3
    This study is a total joke.

    Please define the level of spanking the kids in this study were subjected to?

    Im suspecting you should replace spanking with the word bashing. That's where some parent's don't understand the difference, and just make it hard for the rest of us.
  • Kigan 2012/07/11 23:43:12 (edited)
    Yes
    Kigan
    +2
    There is a difference between discipline and abuse.

    The study is likely about abuse but has been manipulated to achieve the anti-discipline agenda that is going around in order to tell parents how to raise their kids.

    I wonder what will happen when they realize telling parents how to discipline (or not discipline, as the case often is) their kids has failed? We've got kids and teens that have received the "talking to" discipline and are now walking all over their parents, have no respect for anyone or anything, and are out of control.
  • Robshock 2012/07/11 23:41:41
    Yes
    Robshock
    +2
    Did it ever occur to them that perhaps the mental or personality disorder was there first and actually precipitated the spanking? How do they explain kids with mental and personality disorders that have never been spanked? The report is junk science. Proof that you can get a report saying anything you want as long as you are willing to pay for the outcome.

    There is NOTHING wrong with spanking. The kids we see today that are out of control could have used a few hands on the backside...or are they out of control because they did get the hands on the backside? See how it just doesn't work?
  • ~Here Comes The Sun~ 2012/07/11 23:39:31
    Yes
    ~Here Comes The Sun~
    +1
    didn't do damage to me. later i knew right from wrong... i wasn't hit much though... i dont think you should hit a child too much, only on the off chance.
  • mandyinabox 2012/07/11 23:38:52
    No
    mandyinabox
    +4
    i personally feel verbal abuse is almost as bad, if not even worse, than spanking...
    “How a child interprets spanking is what really matters,” [Alyson Schafer] said. “What kind of mixed message are we sending them when we say ‘hands are for hugging, not hitting’ and ask them to tell us if anyone hits, but then use force as parents?”
    child huddled in corner crying
  • Robshock mandyin... 2012/07/11 23:48:59
    Robshock
    +4
    You are an idiot. So you can't spank them and you can't yell at them. I know, maybe we should email or text little Timmy that he should not touch the hot stove. Keeping in mind that the texts should be in all lower case letters so it does not give him the impression we are yelling through the text. Also, we should include lots of smileys so he understands we still love him. With the way Verizon works, maybe he will get the text on the way to the Emergency Room to treat his burns. That should be a big comfort to him.

    Children need discipline. Look at the little animals that are running the streets today that were never disciplined. You really think rainbows and hugs are the best way to train a child?
  • Kat Robshock 2012/07/12 00:53:38
    Kat
    Most of what's saying no are young females with no kids.
  • mandyin... Robshock 2012/07/12 00:54:39
    mandyinabox
    +1
    (?) i never said don't use capital letters. And quite frankly, i've seen more than i could stand of smiley stickers & posters as a child, made me wanna puke. Additionally, there are other ways to discipline a child without spanking--"No dessert" always works, and so does the "10 minutes watching TV then chores, OR chores then 20 minutes of TV". scolding, additionally has been shown to be best to alert the child of a perilous situation and not appologizing for it (such as running out into the street, which i did chasing paper scraps once but stopped after being yelled at for it), or your example of touching the stove. So to me scolding≠verbal abuse, and no, if i ever have kids i'm not letting them anywhere near the stove. "You are an idiot"--Thank you! Or near the internet until they have a strong enough self-esteem, for that matter.
  • cmdrbnd007 2012/07/11 23:32:19
    Yes
    cmdrbnd007
    +1
    I think that study is a load of crap! Up until the 60s spanking was an acceptable form of punishment and I really doubt that they had more mental and personality disorders than we do today.
  • Kat cmdrbnd007 2012/07/12 00:54:54
    Kat
    +1
    Probably conducted by liberals or 15-25 year olds with no kids, like most of what's saying no here.
  • cmdrbnd007 Kat 2012/07/12 02:07:31
    cmdrbnd007
    +1
    Yep. If anything I think not spanking is leading to more problems. Kids now have no respect for anyone or anything.
  • Kat cmdrbnd007 2012/07/12 02:14:24
    Kat
    +1
    True, some here 3 generations deep, you can tell them around here, when the kid gets in trouble at school mamma and grandma go assault the teacher. Discipline is a benefit to society.
  • cmdrbnd007 Kat 2012/07/12 02:15:42
    cmdrbnd007
    +1
    Absolutely!
  • Skye cmdrbnd007 2012/07/12 06:38:59
    Skye
    My parents never spank me, and I am a lot better than most kids. I respect anyone who respects me.
  • Kirino 2012/07/11 23:31:22 (edited)
    No
    Kirino
    +4
    I think it says a lot about a society that lets you hit children but not dogs. Sure spanking my work in some cases, but does the ends justify the means and was there no other way to handle the situation?


    A lot of people say "I was spanked and I turn out fine", but when you look at them they really didn't. If for no other reason than they condone the use of violence on children.
  • Kyle Kirino 2012/07/12 00:13:10
  • Kirino Kyle 2012/07/12 00:17:45 (edited)
  • Kyle Kirino 2012/07/13 22:24:49
  • Kirino Kyle 2012/07/14 07:36:37
    Kirino
    "I was not angry"

    Sure you weren't.

    "there was nothing in your comment that said people who were spanked are quick to anger"

    Use your brain, that fall under "they really didn't". Or must everything be spelled out for you?
  • Kyle Kirino 2012/07/14 22:08:54
    Kyle
    I think I know how I feel a little better than you do and speaking of feelings I'd have to say that even now I'm not angry, what I am is annoyed and offended. You're telling me to use my brain and that you have to spell things out for me well riddle me this, how am I, or anyone for that matter, supposed to know why you think spanking is bad? You say people who are spanked don't turn out okay, why? You have to explain and defend your position because I don't know anything about you and neither does anyone else. For all we know you don't support spanking because you think it turns children gay (I'm not saying you think that it's just an example). So in a sense, yes you do have to spell it out because to expect everyone to just know is completly unrealistic especially if you're presenting your argument in written format it also gives the impression that you don't know what you're talking about if you can't support your argument with details.
  • Kirino Kyle 2012/07/15 00:43:52
    Kirino
    Nice wall of text and strawmen. Does being spanked hinder your ability to make paragraphs?

    "You say people who are spanked don't turn out okay"

    Never said that. I was talking about the people that were spanked and advocate it. There is a difference.

    "yes you do have to spell it out"

    I already said why.

    "If for no other reason than they condone the use of violence on children."
  • Kyle Kirino 2012/07/15 18:33:57
    Kyle
    Spanking did not hinder my ability to create paragraphs. A paragraph is supposed to go on so long as you're still on the same topic. Also you did say that people who are spanked don't turn out okay

    "A lot of people say "I was spanked and I turn out fine", but when you look at them they really didn't."

    I know that you believe spanking condones the use of violence on children. I'm talking about your reasons for thinking that people who are spanked don't turn out okay, that's what I want to discuss.

    Finally I'd like to say that your jests towards my disposition and my intelligence don't make you look smarter they just make you look petty.
  • Kirino Kyle 2012/07/15 20:41:45
    Kirino
    "you did say that people who are spanked don't turn out okay"

    What part of "I was talking about the people that were spanked and advocate it." do you not understand. I'm talking about those that were spanked AND advocate it.

    "Finally I'd like to say that your jests towards my disposition and my intelligence don't make you look smarter they just make you look petty."

    It may make me look petty, but you advocate the use of violence on children. That makes you far worse.
  • Odinsown 2012/07/11 23:28:06
    Yes
    Odinsown
    +2
    Sometimes a kid needs to be thumped, I did.
  • Brian 2012/07/11 23:23:22
    Yes
    Brian
    +3
    Somebody needs to spank the American Academy of Pediatrics, what a bunch of dolts.
  • Sayer Stewart 2012/07/11 23:22:55
    No
    Sayer Stewart
    +4
    Using violence to teach your children right from wrong is never OK.
  • bags the Indigenous Guru 2012/07/11 23:20:54
    No
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    +6
    I know I'm in the minority here, but No....I don't believe in spanking. There is another way. I haven't raised my hand to my daughter since she was 4, or my grandson since he was 3. And she has grown to be a strong, beautiful, intelligent woman, wife and mother. My grandson is a good boy, and smart...way ahead of his age group. I won't use violence to teach my dog, why should I use it on those I love most?
  • Sir Bud bags th... 2012/07/13 05:29:26
    Sir Bud
    +1
    I spent two years at the end of the 1970's doing a thesis on Crime and Punishment at a time when corporal punishment in schools after many national studies was finally banned.I find it amazing and disgusting how"Victorian"so many people are here at SH at least(!) in their attitudes towards children after reading the results of this poll and many of the replies.These guys have gone socially backwards and even the study used here tells of facts which have been known since at least thirty years!!.Where have these guys been or even better where do they come from?.This is social pedagogy of the stone age not of
    modern society.We know since decades that kids who were hit as kids grow up to be hitters,its as simple as that.My guess is that most of those who are answering here with"yes"were hit as kids by their parents.Wouldn't surprise me at least.
  • bags th... Sir Bud 2012/07/13 13:17:59
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    +1
    Most of them admit it right up front. It's sad.
  • Sir Bud bags th... 2012/07/14 05:01:05 (edited)
    Sir Bud
    +1
    I never met a Bully tho that admitted he was and the sad thing is that many kids who regularly received mild violence or occasional very aggressive violence,grow up to be Bullies amongst other things.Thats a response to when they were small and were"attacked"to"correct"them by the"big ones".When such guys walk into a society that has very lenient Gun laws,they then grab that ultimate authority in the physical form of a gun and hide behind the excuse that it is to protect them,-when in truth it is the power and the power over others(taught by their violent parents-that violence is acceptable to handle conflicts)which drives them.

    I suspect that in the Trayvon Martin case,this is what in part drove Zimmerman-to experience the ultimate power and authority over another he suspected and felt was inferior to him.Joining the Neighborhood Watch was a kind metamorphosis from his childhood primal experience at the hands of his authoritarian and violent parents,to then feeling and replacing that parental authority and power over to himself as a member of the Neighborhood Watch.It gave him the personal jurisdiction and freedom within potentially the law to"Play"not the Cop,but the"Parent".No degree of violence towards kids is healthy and especially by parents who a Child loves because it uses fear.Fear will corrode the soul and cause psychological damage which kids then take with them into adult life..
  • bags th... Sir Bud 2012/07/14 14:12:36
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    +1
    I don't like any upbringing that fosters the impression that it's fine to terrorize and act violently towards those who are helpless before you. Or that it's acceptable to allow someone in authority over you to abuse and assault you.
  • Nam Era Vet #1 DNA TLC 2012/07/11 23:17:20
    Yes
    Nam Era Vet #1 DNA TLC
    +2
    I don't trust MDs to raise my kids. Just like they wouldn't trust me to practice medicine in their office.
  • Charmaine 2012/07/11 23:13:31
    Yes
    Charmaine
    +3
    I was spanked (not beaten) when I was younger and I am just fine!!!
  • YeahISaidIt 2012/07/11 23:12:59
    Yes
    YeahISaidIt
    +1
    I got spankings and I was a little rebellious but what kid isn't? I didn't become a serial killer or a sociopath. I dare someone to tell me how to raise my kids. I'm not for a spanking for the smallest thing, but sometimes a kid needs it. I even got spanked in private school and guess what? I was a damned well behaved student. Things are over-diagnosed in kids nowadays. Like they say, "A good swat and, 'Sit down and shut up!'"
  • Sir Bud YeahISa... 2012/07/13 06:08:43 (edited)
    Sir Bud
    You wont be the first parent to mishandle their children with violence and have them taken away to protect them.If you cant sort your kids out without using violence and frightening them,its you who needs help primarily as your kids are the victims of a bully(can they hit you when they believe you are bad and wrong?).And you don't get a medal for not being a serial killer,but your"A good swat,sit down and shut up"certainly doesn't clear you of being a psychopath.Rarely such people are able to diagnose themselves,would ya believe it!.If you cant educate your child without violence,you are teaching your kids violence and you need help.Nothing less than double standards.

    But guess what,you fall into the well known fact that kids that got hit grow up to be hitters.You accepted it as a kid,so now you accept to hit your kids.Not your fault tho,but you will never realize that it was wrong to hit you and its wrong to hit kids.We cant tell the "little ones" that its wrong to put over their arguments with violence when we put over our arguments onto them with violence.Would you hit an adult if you believed he/she was wrong and or bad?.Then how can you hit someone smaller than you?.Right..because you are bigger and your child cant hit you back and wont hit you back because he/she is to fr...

    You wont be the first parent to mishandle their children with violence and have them taken away to protect them.If you cant sort your kids out without using violence and frightening them,its you who needs help primarily as your kids are the victims of a bully(can they hit you when they believe you are bad and wrong?).And you don't get a medal for not being a serial killer,but your"A good swat,sit down and shut up"certainly doesn't clear you of being a psychopath.Rarely such people are able to diagnose themselves,would ya believe it!.If you cant educate your child without violence,you are teaching your kids violence and you need help.Nothing less than double standards.

    But guess what,you fall into the well known fact that kids that got hit grow up to be hitters.You accepted it as a kid,so now you accept to hit your kids.Not your fault tho,but you will never realize that it was wrong to hit you and its wrong to hit kids.We cant tell the "little ones" that its wrong to put over their arguments with violence when we put over our arguments onto them with violence.Would you hit an adult if you believed he/she was wrong and or bad?.Then how can you hit someone smaller than you?.Right..because you are bigger and your child cant hit you back and wont hit you back because he/she is to frightened.That makes you a Fkn bully and a lousy parent!.And your kids will grow up and hit their children.

    But what is even worse is that the neurosis settles down in a persons general character as an adult, which means that such disturbed people who seem quite normal on the surface(and will claim they are)will lash out when they feel their authority is being challenged,because as kids they were taught that authority has the right to act violent when in the right!.Thats what you were taught and that's why you believe"A good swat,sit down and shut up".Your parents misused your blind and innocent acceptance of their authority and you believed therefore that they were justified when hitting you.You loved your parents,so you accepted their punishment and now you are convinced that you can hit your kids and they will still love you.That may also backfire!.Your "a kid needs it"moral value is because you as a kid believed you needed it because you loved your parents and therefore in your eyes they couldnt be bad or be wrong to you!.Think about it although obviously you will go on the defense after being told this,but maybe i got to your subconscious and you cant tell that to sit down and shut up!.lol.
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  • YeahISa... Sir Bud 2012/07/13 15:11:16 (edited)
    YeahISaidIt
    Oh yeah because I'd go too far and resort to torture. Being your kid's friend is what creates disrespectful little twerps that feel entitled to everything. Spanking was used for thousands of years and this world has not fallen into complete anarchy due to fractured minds. Yes, I've hit people my own size. Spanking is a method of discipline, and I shouldn't have to discipline an adult, that was their parents' job. As long as they don't infringe upon my rights they won't get hit. As a psych major who has relationships with skilled people of the field I know what affects people and what doesn't. BEATINGS affect kids, not spankings. Verbal abuse and slaps on the face affect kids, not a slap on the wrist. Over diagnosing IS an issue when every kid has a Ritalin prescription or something of the nature. It's a lack of discipline. A bully delights in torturing their subject, a parent doesn't. my subconscious is clear thank you very much. Anything wrong with me mentally is genetic as are most mental conditions that create murderers. These tortured kids who become the torturers obviously came from mentally unstable people no? I am not a parent but from how my boyfriend and I were raised, with spankings I'm sure our kids will be wonderful. Neither of us have been arrested, neither of us ...
    Oh yeah because I'd go too far and resort to torture. Being your kid's friend is what creates disrespectful little twerps that feel entitled to everything. Spanking was used for thousands of years and this world has not fallen into complete anarchy due to fractured minds. Yes, I've hit people my own size. Spanking is a method of discipline, and I shouldn't have to discipline an adult, that was their parents' job. As long as they don't infringe upon my rights they won't get hit. As a psych major who has relationships with skilled people of the field I know what affects people and what doesn't. BEATINGS affect kids, not spankings. Verbal abuse and slaps on the face affect kids, not a slap on the wrist. Over diagnosing IS an issue when every kid has a Ritalin prescription or something of the nature. It's a lack of discipline. A bully delights in torturing their subject, a parent doesn't. my subconscious is clear thank you very much. Anything wrong with me mentally is genetic as are most mental conditions that create murderers. These tortured kids who become the torturers obviously came from mentally unstable people no? I am not a parent but from how my boyfriend and I were raised, with spankings I'm sure our kids will be wonderful. Neither of us have been arrested, neither of us have been shipped off to rehab because our parents refused to give us limits, and neither of us have been so irresponsible in our lives that we have kids out of wedlock or fights without reasons behind them. My cousin who lost her dad and was left with a mom who refused to spank her had a child at 19, was arrested at 14 for theft, 18 for fighting, has been shoplifting forever, and having unprotected sex since 14. She turned out to be a bully. Let me show you how much of a bully I'm not, I was the youngest female and the only one for a while to receive my black belt in Tae Kwon Do and I have never fought a girl outside of my class. I have, however, fought many men. My brother, much older cousins, and men who didn't know to back off or tried to put their hands on me first. So thank you, case closed.
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