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Sorry, Students: Jimmy Wales Agrees You Shouldn’t Cite Wikipedia in Term Papers: Agree?

Fef 2012/07/11 22:32:33
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Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia, said that university students should not cite entries in his tremendously popular reference website. Wales created Wikipedia in 2001, and the site has grown into one of the largest reference websites, attracting 470 million unique visitors monthly as of February 2012. Wikipedia allows anyone with internet access to write and edit entries in its free, online encyclopedia.

Mr. Wales stated: If the Professor has a more nuanced view that Wikipedia should not be cited “as a source” by university students then I agree completely! I think the same thing about citing Britannica or any other encyclopedia. Citing an encyclopedia for an academic paper at the University level is not appropriate – you aren’t 12 years old any more, it’s time to step up your game and do research in original sources.

Mr. Wales concluded, “Once you’ve read a few relevant Wikipedia entries on a topic, you should be well armed to start digging in to primary materials.”

Wikipedia does not have verification by any professional staff. Therefore, anyone can add untruthful data or references to any entry. Stephen Colbert used his television show on Comedy Central to start a campaign to alter entries on Wikipedia. He explained that on Wikipedia "any user can change any entry, and if enough users agree with them, it becomes true." He also told his viewers to go onto Wikipedia, in the article elephants, and to edit it so that it would say: "Elephant population in Africa has tripled over the past six months." The suggestion resulted in numerous changes to Wikipedia articles related to elephants and Africa.
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  • sglmom 2012/07/12 03:56:17
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    sglmom
    +12
    Here's one of the basic Definitions I learned ..
    when I was first studying the Wikis ..

    WIKI -- It is a WEBSITE where the users (meaning anyone) can add, delete, or revise content by using a web browser of their choice ..

    When you reflect on this .. that ANYONE Can add, delete, Revise the content ..
    when there's no SERIOUS Effort to even test the content posted to see if it can pass even the simplest 'smell' test to see if it can actually qualify as being .. well .. passable (or a passing acquaintance with reality, scientific methodology .. hmm .. even the word .. truth) ..

    when it is no more than a BLOG That ALL Can put their spin (opinions) on ..

    That is why most Professors (and I also do teach some even in my Retirement Years) state .. PLEASE .. do NOT use WIKIs for your Research Sources .. you will find your GRADE Accordingly lowered by using any WIKI as a substitute for REAL Research ..

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  • Nika 2012/08/04 17:48:58
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    Nika
    That's not even acceptable in High school. Wikipedia can contain false information.
  • democoach 2012/07/19 02:33:07
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    democoach
    concidering wiki can be editted by anyone! id say most unreliable
  • KeeganTheAwesome 2012/07/16 19:47:52 (edited)
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    KeeganTheAwesome
    The idea behind this website is that people doing research on a topic read a quick summary of the topic on Wikipedia to make themselves comfortable by understanding the topic they're researching, and then go to more reliable resources to go more in-depth in their research, and cite the other resources in their papers because the other resources contain the full information the Wikipedia article just summarized. That's why almost every article includes an "External links" or "Resources" section at the bottom showing where Wikipedia gets its information from.

    Citing Wikipedia in place of those articles defeats the purpose of your paper. If your paper is just as empty as a website like Wikipedia, why should anyone read it to begin with?
  • Ron in Oregon 2012/07/15 16:26:07
    Disagree, it's OK to cite Wikipedia.
    Ron in Oregon
    It can be cited but only if it is qualified as to source.
    If you rely upon it as your profligate source then that is wrong.
  • Lina Blub 2012/07/13 18:19:11
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    Lina Blub
    i rather go for books or other websites for students or college students :D
  • kPOW™ 2012/07/13 17:37:49
    Disagree, it's OK to cite Wikipedia.
    kPOW™
    +1
    ... i mean seriously, the text books are wrong. we learned this year that abe lincoln was a fearless vampire hunter.. c'mon. lol!
  • Tom Camfield 2012/07/13 17:23:18
    Disagree, it's OK to cite Wikipedia.
    Tom Camfield
    Just whom are students expected to quote as source, their professor's own expensive textbook? If we exclude encyclopedias, politicians, newspapers, various Internet sites, etc., what's left? The census bureau, perhaps--but even its figures have holes in them.
    How about a dictionary or thesaurus? How much on-topic information can one wring out of those. I say let them quote for themselves and their sources be accorded whatever weight is arbitrarily given them by the professor. Where should one dig, Mr. Wales? Scientific studies have been shown to be tainted on occasion.
  • david abe 2012/07/13 16:55:16
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    david abe
    +1
    Wikipedia is a good start for a term paper and the references listed can be useful but some confirmation of original or close to original sources is necessary.
  • ♒ßεllεchεvεllε®♒ 2012/07/13 16:24:20
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    ♒ßεllεchεvεllε®♒
    It's never been accepted as a viable source in the universities where I've worked.
  • ~Here Comes The Sun~ 2012/07/13 16:05:34
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    ~Here Comes The Sun~
    anyone can write stuff on wikipedia, even if they dont know anything about it!
  • jackie 2012/07/13 16:03:03
    Disagree, it's OK to cite Wikipedia.
    jackie
    +1
    What are they talking about? Wikipedia is 100% right.
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  • baboula 2012/07/13 16:00:43
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    baboula
    Everything is open to interpretation and Wikipedia is not immune - ever seen the myriad of answers to a single query on Cha-Cha answers.com?
  • Stacy F 2012/07/13 15:50:01
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    Stacy F
    Wikipedia is good for a quick reference source, although sometimes the information seems, shall we say, "manufactured". Considering that Wikipedia topics can be modified, and "updated", by its members, it's not surprising that some of the information is slightly off-base.
    For instance, I looked up the information for the US Navy destroyer that my grandfather SERVED ON, the USS Wilkes. He told me everything there was to know about this particular ship. When I checked it out on Wikipedia, the info provided from the site was not even close to what my grandfather had told me.
    According to Wikipedia, this ship was a GLEAVES-Class destroyer, but my grandfather, who, as I stated before, SERVED on it from Sept. 1944 to Jan. 1946 (He was a S 1/C), said that it was a FLETCHER-Class destroyer.
    Needless to say, while I do enjoy some of the topics at Wikipedia, I trust my grandfathers FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE more than some website that can be changed, at any time, by its members.
  • harley oldman 2012/07/13 15:27:09
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    harley oldman
    ...YEP...!
  • Mary Ann 2012/07/13 15:15:57
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    Mary Ann
    +1
    Although I use the source myself, I know many incorrect entries. As the man said....it's enough to get you started, but it's not always factual.

    My husband is in the Wiki files and it's ALL wrong. It's wrong becasue a news reported made an egregious error and they (Wiki) refused to acknowledge her mistake - through research and other factual sources.....blah blah blah.....if you research those allowed to make entry/changes you will see that they themselves are wingnuts! One of these wingnuts (and I mean NUTS) even told me that the source I provided to make the changes was not a reliable source.....so they have their own issues!
  • simplex5 2012/07/13 13:26:23
    Disagree, it's OK to cite Wikipedia.
    simplex5
    +1
    Why not, the information is out there already!
  • Stacy F simplex5 2012/07/13 15:53:04
    Stacy F
    "information", according to who? The Wiki members that put their opinion out there as fact? Or, the ACTUAL facts, as stated by the person(s) directly involved?
  • chaoskitty123 2012/07/13 13:25:17
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    chaoskitty123
    +2
    Wales is correct because Wikipedia is meant to be a "source" to get quick, relevant, information which leads you to further information.

    Some attack Wikipedia because anyone can edit it but the edits are followed up on because every edit is reported. They require source material to be included and you cannot imagine how many people attacking Wikipedia never look at the source material clearly listed which offers the more in depth information.

    However, the fact Jimmy Wales didn't point out that Wiki does include more in depth source material is revealing about him that possibly he isn't as serious about Wiki as he claims as each year he runs a fund drive where he collects millions of dollars but he never justifies how he spends the money. People evaluating Wiki reveal his staff contributors are mostly volunteers and his servers don't even cost a fraction of a fraction of what he takes in. When totaled, even if he paid all his staff and owned all his servers, it wouldn't cost him even one million a year but he takes in between 20 to 30 million a year in his fund drives.

    So if Jimmy Wales can't point out the value of Wiki as source material with links to more in depth source material on almost all Wiki links, then I would have to say he failed miserably to promote his website ...

    Wales is correct because Wikipedia is meant to be a "source" to get quick, relevant, information which leads you to further information.

    Some attack Wikipedia because anyone can edit it but the edits are followed up on because every edit is reported. They require source material to be included and you cannot imagine how many people attacking Wikipedia never look at the source material clearly listed which offers the more in depth information.

    However, the fact Jimmy Wales didn't point out that Wiki does include more in depth source material is revealing about him that possibly he isn't as serious about Wiki as he claims as each year he runs a fund drive where he collects millions of dollars but he never justifies how he spends the money. People evaluating Wiki reveal his staff contributors are mostly volunteers and his servers don't even cost a fraction of a fraction of what he takes in. When totaled, even if he paid all his staff and owned all his servers, it wouldn't cost him even one million a year but he takes in between 20 to 30 million a year in his fund drives.

    So if Jimmy Wales can't point out the value of Wiki as source material with links to more in depth source material on almost all Wiki links, then I would have to say he failed miserably to promote his website for what it is.

    I use Wiki often as a quick reference point not just to find the info on the Wiki page that was written, but to check out the source material which I often have difficulty finding on my own because sometimes keywords are difficult to find that will help in my search for information. Online encyclopedia's often don't include reference material links because they regard themselves as the authority on the information which often... you can't find what you're looking for 4 just that reason.
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  • shadow76 2012/07/13 08:12:15
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    shadow76
    They should make them use books in a Library!
  • beach bum 2012/07/13 07:34:46
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    beach bum
    agree
  • LUFXIII 2012/07/13 07:32:02
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    LUFXIII
    at first i thot it was ok until my professer told me not to. i m glad he (Jimmy Wales) mentioned that
  • Crank_It_Up 2012/07/13 07:15:42
    Disagree, it's OK to cite Wikipedia.
    Crank_It_Up
    I'd cite it, but of course not solely wikipedia
  • Michelle 2012/07/13 05:45:49
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    Michelle
    Use Wikipedia... but if the information you find is legit, you can check the bottom of the page for sources and cite THAT. I've found a single time my teacher agreed it was appropriate to cite Wikipedia: when I was writing an essay on how computers make things more efficient and I was stating the number of articles on Wikipedia, according to itself. (For the record, I also got a chance to cite Google during this essay. It was a lot of fun!) Otherwise, go to the sources. The sources are great! My school computer network blocks Wikipedia because they don't want us citing it, but that's really just stupid.
  • Cap 2012/07/13 05:30:15
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    Cap
    Mr. Wales says that Wikipedia shouldn't be cited "as a source", which I understand to mean "as a research source" and I agree w/ him. Wikipedia cites its sources and the student should be expected to go back to the Wikipedia source, and in many cases probably further, to document an assertion. I do note, however, that Wikipedia might be cited as an example of the opinion of a popular research source, and, if the reference to that type of opinion source is appropriate to the work being produced, a citation to Wikipedia does seem appropriate.
  • Jensenmk 2012/07/13 04:11:40
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    Jensenmk
    Absolutely - wikipedia isn't a vetted, factual, or objective source; certainly not when anyone can modify information there. I've made several corrections there myself.
  • JCLadybug 2012/07/13 03:44:42
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    JCLadybug
    Citing them for a small blip in a homework assignment....sure. But for a paper, no. They may be a first stop for quick info, but after that you need original sources, books, journals, etc. Wikipedia can be edited quickly and easily on a variety of subjects, I have done it to change a chemistry term that was wrong. Had a chemistry student looked up the active ingredient in x food and it was termed wrong, then it is still wrong and then the Wiki reference is sad/funny.
  • socokid 2012/07/13 03:26:47
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    socokid
    It is a valid place to start as their articles may contain many of the actual sources one will end up using.

    While some resources show the validity of information at Wiki is just as good as most encyclopedias, I still think they are just starting points.
  • Adam 2012/07/13 03:11:00
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    Adam
    +1
    Wikipedia rocks. It provides a incredibly robust primer on almost any subject imaginable, and is the perfect tool for satisfying idle curiosity. But if you are at a university level, you need to go to primary sources. Wikipedia is not a primary source, and neither are other encyclopedias. Wikipedia can give you some pre-research knowledge, jog your memory, and point you towards primary sources. Those are all wonderful things at even the highest of levels. But it won't write your term paper for you, and it won't replace the need for you to have a real list of citations.

    Wikipedia helped me immensely in college. But it was never, ever a citation, a reference, or even the final say on any matter.
  • Sir Bud 2012/07/13 03:07:35
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    Sir Bud
    But...as in the professional world-whether on issues of Medicine,History,Religion or Science etc controversy,different opinions and a lack of consistency exist anyway and can also end up at Wikipedia(or not)who is to say indefinitely which source can be accepted or not?.Funny,as coincidentally someone/organization entered my own father at Wikipedia and although 99% is correct,the one per cent which isn't and is completely wrong,is the most important!.But in ten minutes I can find outside of Wikipedia,ten different reports on the latest developments regarding Cancer research and none of them correspond 100% and some not at all.
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  • debrarae 2012/07/13 02:57:42
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    debrarae
    It's been proven wrong so many times, kids today would be laughed out of the classroom.
  • Merna 2012/07/13 02:47:50
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    Merna
    We aren't even allowed to use it as a source, we have to use "more credible" sources for essays and papers, it's kinda annoying since wikipedia is so convenient, but I guess it's always a first step in research.
  • Bureauc 0webama 2012/07/13 02:42:26
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    Bureauc 0webama
    OMG!
    They're not allowed to 'cut & paste' and call it a job?
    This generation will be screwed if the lights ever go out. They can't seem to find the john without their smart phones.
  • Michelle Bureauc... 2012/07/13 05:48:51
    Michelle
    This isn't about copy and pasting from Wikipedia, it's about using it as an information source. If you even try to copy and paste from anywhere on the internet in university, chances are you'll get caught and seriously punished. But when writing an essay on anything, you need to cite where you've gotten your information, and that's what this is about.
  • Bureauc... Michelle 2012/07/16 05:21:00
    Bureauc 0webama
    My point is that today's kids have no idea how to 'think' on their own and that's sort of Wale's point as well.
  • Flowers 2012/07/13 02:17:19
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    Flowers
    I used wiki to get a better grasp on the topic but then go to the sources listed to get more detailed. Those are the sources I cited.
  • NeutronBomb 2012/07/13 02:07:17
    Agree, Wikipedia shouldn't be cited.
    NeutronBomb
    Mostly due to the fact that Wikipedia is wildy inaccurate.
  • Elementer 2012/07/13 01:56:05 (edited)
    Disagree, it's OK to cite Wikipedia.
    Elementer
    +1
    Wikipedia is actually pretty damn reliable and accurate. They control vandalism pretty well and sources that aren't cited are deleted pretty quickly.

    I just think professors hate the fact Wikipedia is so convenient. I understand where they're coming from, you want your students to do extensive research rather than go to an all-in-one handbook. Wikipedia promote procrastination and laziness, students who know Wikipedia has all the answers will just wait longer to do their paper and put less effort into it because of it.

    However, the accusations that Wikipedia is inaccurate and fear because "anybody can edit it" is pure bunk and they know it. Most people who edit Wikipedia are actually professors and experts. Some even get paid to edit it.

    I mean, seriously, how many of you edit Wikipedia? Exactly.

    Anyway, I personally wouldn't cite Wikipedia. Seems like a copout.
  • Neutron... Elementer 2012/07/13 02:09:07
    NeutronBomb
    I have come across lots of errors on Wikipedia, it is not accurate but it can give a good general overview of subjects before finding out more.
  • Elementer Neutron... 2012/07/13 02:19:49
    Elementer
    I disagree with that, mostly because you're citing from personal experience rather than statistics.
  • Neutron... Elementer 2012/07/13 02:23:05
    NeutronBomb
    +1
    Isnt that the best way? I mean how would you gather statistics on the accuracy of Wikipedia and how would you know those statistics were accurate in any case?

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