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Skype Makes Chats and User Data More Available to Police: Good or Bad?

Heisenberg 2012/07/26 20:00:00
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WASHINGTONPOST.COM reports:
The changes have drawn quiet applause in law enforcement circles but hostility from many activists and analysts.
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  • Kevin1111 2012/07/26 19:33:15
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    Kevin1111
    +11
    The police do not care about justice or about right and wrong, they don't care about what kind of damage they do to you and your family. They only care if they can gather enough evidence to make it look like you've committed a crime. They think this is what they are supposed to do, so they use any means they are allowed to use, then they twist what they find around to make you look as guilty as possible.

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  • ZenerSix 2012/07/26 21:55:20
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    ZenerSix
    Everything has holes by law now. The only way to guarantee your conversations are secure is to create your own encryption system and run it on a computer that isn't running Windows.
  • Mike J. Hirak 2012/07/26 21:44:16
    Bad
    Mike J. Hirak
    +1
    You have to respect Habeas Corpus
  • Jay Calderone 2012/07/26 21:31:33
  • Stan Kapusta 2012/07/26 21:27:04
    Bad
    Stan Kapusta
    +5
    When a sentence is taken out of context for their purposes and used against some poor schmuck maybe people will stop using it. What happened to the customer comes first.
  • kir 2012/07/26 21:10:14
    Bad
    kir
    +7
    We need to protect our privacy. An increase in safety is often used as an excuse for the government to take away our freedom.
  • LILY 2012/07/26 20:58:50
    Bad
    LILY
    +4
    You never know who to trust now. so many things that have happen you cant really trust cops well not all cops some are ok in my book
  • ~[Rachel Mariee]~ 2012/07/26 20:53:07
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    ~[Rachel Mariee]~
    +1
    Uh.. Yah
  • Greg 2012/07/26 20:52:55
    Bad
    Greg
    +3
    Now I have another reason to not use Skype.
  • Bill 2012/07/26 20:52:05
    Bad
    Bill
    +1
    Removing religion from society and giving absolute power to the government over your private life is Socialism at its finest, and always leads to Communism in the end.

    Big brother Obama is moving at light speed to destroy America and all that it stands for.
  • JonDeniro Bill 2012/07/27 22:58:51
    JonDeniro
    +1
    Agreed, but then it was Traitor Bush who gave us the Patriot Act, the DHS, and a few other anti-American things.
  • Rock 2012/07/26 20:48:36
    Bad
    Rock
    +3
    Too much Big Brother already.
  • Dale 2012/07/26 20:47:44
    Bad
    Dale
    +1
    If you want the information(Law enforcement) bad enough, it is worth the time, effort, and probable cause to apply for a warrant.
  • gocar 2012/07/26 20:46:02
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    gocar
    +1
    I really don't care. I know I should but there are so many more things to worry about.
  • Irish little 2012/07/26 20:45:30
    Good
    Irish little
    +2
    If you have done nothing wrong, what's the worry? Otherwise all the world can surmise how stupid you can be.
  • RJeffreySavlov 2012/07/26 20:34:43
    Bad
    RJeffreySavlov
    +2
    They should have to follow the same procedures as for a wire tap to get this information..
  • Chris 2012/07/26 20:24:18
    Good
    Chris
    +1
    If they have a warrant.
  • Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA 2012/07/26 20:23:53
    Bad
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Unless the police have a court order.
  • D D 2012/07/26 20:19:45
    Good
    D D
    +1
    I meant to click bad.

    Privacy is highly important to me. People on the web have now been warned, so, watch what you do with skype.
  • Fef 2012/07/26 20:19:30
    Good
    Fef
    +2
    they still need to follow the law...
  • Hayley Callaway 2012/07/26 19:48:50
    Bad
    Hayley Callaway
    +1
    I'm very torn because I just had Skype sex with my boyfriend............
  • D D Hayley ... 2012/07/26 20:20:38
    D D
    +3
    The police just got off watching
  • Chris D 2012/07/26 19:45:36
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    Chris D
    +2
    Sounds like an idea based in good intention but this is a slippery slope of privacy concerns
  • Kevin1111 2012/07/26 19:33:15
    Bad
    Kevin1111
    +11
    The police do not care about justice or about right and wrong, they don't care about what kind of damage they do to you and your family. They only care if they can gather enough evidence to make it look like you've committed a crime. They think this is what they are supposed to do, so they use any means they are allowed to use, then they twist what they find around to make you look as guilty as possible.
  • rocker1446 Kevin1111 2012/07/26 20:17:52
    rocker1446
    +3
    I would argue that SOME police officers operate in such a manner. Most (and I have grown up and been around MANY) really are out to find the truth. Do they make mistakes? Yes. Most will admit that that is the case. They really do their best to find the truth and bring justice to those that would abuse their fellow men and women.
  • D D rocker1446 2012/07/26 20:31:22
    D D
    +3
    Yeah, like what the FBI did to Richard Jewell. No apology. No clearing his name to the public. Nothing. They owed him that. The rest of his life was not worth living. It was wrong how they treated him.
  • John Wa... D D 2012/07/26 23:35:52
    John Walker II
    +1
    Wouldn't count a half mil from one media outlet and undisclosed from not one, but three others in 4 separate libel cases. A 5th was dismissed only because Jewell died 4 months prior to that.

    If I make the guess that half a mil from each, and you are looking at 2 million, easily. Because they were awarded as damages due, I don't believe that 2 mil was taxable either. (I can be wrong on that)

    That can go a really long way.

    Other things that happened to him in his life:
    "On July 1997, U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, prompted by a reporter's question at her regular weekly news conference, expressed regret over the FBI's leak to the news media that led to the widespread presumption of his guilt, and apologized outright, saying, "I'm very sorry it happened. I think we owe him an apology. I regret the leak.""

    "On July 4, 2001, Jewell was honored as the Grand Marshal of the Carmel, Indiana's Independence Day Parade. Jewell was chosen in keeping with the parade's theme of "Unsung Heroes.""

    "On April 13, 2005, Jewell was exonerated completely when Eric Rudolph pled guilty to carrying out the bombing attack at the Centennial Olympic Park, as well as three other attacks across the South. On August 1, 2006, Georgia's Governor, Sonny Perdue, honored Jewell for his rescue effort...





    Wouldn't count a half mil from one media outlet and undisclosed from not one, but three others in 4 separate libel cases. A 5th was dismissed only because Jewell died 4 months prior to that.

    If I make the guess that half a mil from each, and you are looking at 2 million, easily. Because they were awarded as damages due, I don't believe that 2 mil was taxable either. (I can be wrong on that)

    That can go a really long way.

    Other things that happened to him in his life:
    "On July 1997, U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, prompted by a reporter's question at her regular weekly news conference, expressed regret over the FBI's leak to the news media that led to the widespread presumption of his guilt, and apologized outright, saying, "I'm very sorry it happened. I think we owe him an apology. I regret the leak.""

    "On July 4, 2001, Jewell was honored as the Grand Marshal of the Carmel, Indiana's Independence Day Parade. Jewell was chosen in keeping with the parade's theme of "Unsung Heroes.""

    "On April 13, 2005, Jewell was exonerated completely when Eric Rudolph pled guilty to carrying out the bombing attack at the Centennial Olympic Park, as well as three other attacks across the South. On August 1, 2006, Georgia's Governor, Sonny Perdue, honored Jewell for his rescue efforts during the attack."

    And he STILL worked in law enforcement after that.

    "Jewell had worked various law enforcement jobs, including as a police officer in Pendergrass, Georgia. He worked as a sheriff's deputy in Meriwether County, Georgia until his death. He also gave speeches at colleges."

    Src: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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  • D D John Wa... 2012/07/27 02:22:29
    D D
    +1
    He was railroaded.
  • John Wa... D D 2012/07/27 02:27:09
    John Walker II
    +1
    No doubt.
  • Kevin1111 rocker1446 2012/07/26 20:52:43
    Kevin1111
    +3
    I'll agree that perhaps I overgeneralize. But this has been my experience, with few exceptions.
  • rocker1446 Kevin1111 2012/07/27 21:14:41
    rocker1446
    Fair enough.
  • John Wa... Kevin1111 2012/07/26 23:28:09
    John Walker II
    +1
    It isn't the job of the police to discern guilt. They only collect the evidence and the COURTS decide guilt. And thusly too before they can collect that information they also need the court's permission.

    If they get that permission, then there is *reasonable* suspicion that it is indeed happening. If not, then it goes no where. Whatever claims that warrant that phone taps are seen as groundless.

    Part of the discovery process also includes making everything found available to the defense, and not just cherry pick to make up their minds, so no it's not a one sided deal. Get arrested, you will get everything they got too.

    I wish people would undertand more about how the judicial system works. The police can't intercept or listen into call 'just because'. They have to do it in compliance with the law. and the law is very clear on that.
  • Kevin1111 John Wa... 2012/07/27 02:42:48
    Kevin1111
    >>It isn't the job of the police to discern guilt.<<

    That's part of the problem, they tend to think everyone is guilty. Watch all those shows and documentaries about misguided justice, where someone is later proven innocent, but were failed by overzealous police and prosecutors, failed by the whole justice system, and spent years in prison because of this. Invariably when they interview all the people involved in the case, the police are the most adamant about how the person deserves the worst possible punishment. Even in the face of proof to the contrary, they often don't believe it and they stick to this position.
  • John Wa... Kevin1111 2012/07/27 17:17:22
    John Walker II
    +2
    Sounds like a minority of cops that your talking about. But that minority... There is where the problem is. Police are not there to judge. Period. They collect information and perps. But when they step over that line they set a bad example for everyone.

    If they can't keep their personal feelings out of their job and it affects what they do, then justice is not being properly handled.

    But they are also human, and humans make mistakes. You can not reasonably expect police not to have at least some emotional connection to what is going on, and that causes people to do things that may not be right. Part of what the courts are suppose to do is mitigate that as much as possible.

    But we're all human. Yes, it happens. Should it? No.

    The best that can be done is when it's found out, reparations are made and those that did step over the line made to understand why. And asked if they want to continue because those incidents will happen again. Are they emotionally healthy enough to separate themselves from the crime.. if not, then they can't do the job.
  • JonDeniro John Wa... 2012/07/27 23:02:49
    JonDeniro
    Hardly a minority...rather a deeply entrenched systemic attitude.
  • John Wa... JonDeniro 2012/07/27 23:34:43
    John Walker II
    Isn't there folks like project innocent that have stats on that?
  • JonDeniro John Wa... 2012/07/31 16:59:48
    JonDeniro
    I am not familiar with "project innocent" so I can't answer your question as asked. I am quite familiar with the change in attitude of cops in the last 3 decades or so.
  • John Wa... JonDeniro 2012/08/01 23:28:02
    John Walker II
    +1
    Project innocence is a group of people who work to free those on death row who after they get a look at the evidence, determine that justice has failed.

    And I had the name reversed, it's project innocence.

    http://www.innocenceproject.org/
  • JonDeniro John Wa... 2012/08/05 14:57:21
    JonDeniro
    Thank you for the info.
  • JonDeniro Kevin1111 2012/07/27 23:00:48
    JonDeniro
    +1
    Excellent comment.
  • XCloudP... Kevin1111 2012/07/28 00:05:20
    XCloudPandaX
    +1
    truer words have never been spoken.

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