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Since I have been told i have to walk in the shoes. Should I go to Obama's church or find books this guy wrote and preach it to my children? Or would that make me a bad father to expose my children to so much hate?

Dogg ~ Ready for war 2008/03/19 03:27:35
the black man is still not free.. get those shoes
your right, white or black bad father figure
children Know the difference of hate... look at dad
lets ask the grand mom
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even tho I'm native americain and we truely got screwed. i don't preach hate nor agree with it. But a friend told me I need to walk in the shoes. I thought i did that and still am. But the shoes that are in question are a fathers shoes. of two lovely children. children I'm sure living in a 1.5 million dollar home. never had to take a cab, you some calling the the n word. But had to go with mom and dad to listion to message of hate.. hate of the white man, hate of america. HATE OF AMERICA THE SUNDAY AFTER 9-11. never mind I'm running for the white house's top seat. But my children. what's going on in their mind and hearts? is the seed of hate planted?
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  • Shiloh's Angel-2012 2008/09/19 22:17:45
    your right, white or black bad father figure
    Shiloh's Angel-2012
    They should've not been going to that church since this minister was teaching hate of Whites and the Country years ago !Teaching hate is wrong! Why would a minister do that? Why would OBama and Michelle continue to take their family there is right if they didn't still talk about hate of white people and with a Muslim background which hates white people, jewish and the hate goes on?
  • Chocolat-In the universe I ... 2008/03/20 03:28:20
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    Chocolat-In the universe I trust.
    +3
    To walk in ones shoes means to try to identify with that person. What do you consider a good father. A father that is home with his children, read to them, show them different cultures, teach them right from wrong, teach them what is acceptable behavior and what is not, love them and show them how to love others and how to forgive? I would think these are characteristic of a good father. If you shield a child from all that is bad how can they exercise good judgement later in life?
  • Dogg ~ ... Chocola... 2008/03/20 03:40:46
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    +1
    I show my children the horror of life. life when you kill a dear, i show them how to gut it, after I thank the animal for its life. when I make leather and show my children how to mix the brains with fire wood ashe to help the tanning of the skin. when we go on road trips i should the the filt left along the road by poeple who don't care. here in this city we yell to those doing drive bys "learn how to shoot."
    And when my son stood on my front porch and was talking to his black friend a group of kids came on my door step and spit in his face. I gave him my blessing to take a bat to equal the fight and told him to redem himself in my eyes. My son is albino. Not really but he a eerie white. so at 9:30pm at night. in a neighbor hood where there are drive bys, you have a white boy with a bat chasing 6 kids down the street. so i see horrors. and i shield them from the worste. they will never hear like I did, and have some back water red neck call them a paire nigger. but i teach them to have pride in their family and their clan, and their nation. and how a few bad apples don't ruin a crop, only a small piece of pie.
    but I can honestly say. my children have never be exposed to hate of a race for years. or even a year. I am blessed , my oldest son has black sisters, and a nice cream co...

    I show my children the horror of life. life when you kill a dear, i show them how to gut it, after I thank the animal for its life. when I make leather and show my children how to mix the brains with fire wood ashe to help the tanning of the skin. when we go on road trips i should the the filt left along the road by poeple who don't care. here in this city we yell to those doing drive bys "learn how to shoot."
    And when my son stood on my front porch and was talking to his black friend a group of kids came on my door step and spit in his face. I gave him my blessing to take a bat to equal the fight and told him to redem himself in my eyes. My son is albino. Not really but he a eerie white. so at 9:30pm at night. in a neighbor hood where there are drive bys, you have a white boy with a bat chasing 6 kids down the street. so i see horrors. and i shield them from the worste. they will never hear like I did, and have some back water red neck call them a paire nigger. but i teach them to have pride in their family and their clan, and their nation. and how a few bad apples don't ruin a crop, only a small piece of pie.
    but I can honestly say. my children have never be exposed to hate of a race for years. or even a year. I am blessed , my oldest son has black sisters, and a nice cream color brother from his mothers side.

    so i think. and this is just me mind you. It is a fathers job to teach everything to a child, but most of all. if they do geta enemy and they will, theach them to know their enemy. and with obama being a racist at such a young age. and being raise in a white house and w very good white school, then try to run for office he would know this would come out in a poor light, unless he was beting on the racism of black america.
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  • mentone... Chocola... 2008/03/20 05:52:13
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    +1
    I tell my kids that I hate Bush and he is an evil man.
    Does that make me a "hate filled person"?? =D LOL!
  • angie ... mentone... 2008/03/20 08:30:34
  • mentone... angie ... 2008/03/20 11:04:05
    mentonemommyisgoingtofacebook
    Kids know things we don't-I think I would have been a bit freaked out, too! LOL!
  • angie ... mentone... 2008/03/20 23:29:58
  • lady bear 2008/03/19 22:07:27
    your right, white or black bad father figure
    lady bear
    +2
    I don't think it matters what color your skin is, exposing hate of this magnatude to your children is wrong. Yes it is good for kids to know their history but to teach to continue to hate is not being a good parent. We need to be teaching our children tolarence and understanding. If we can't get people to learn how to live together without hate how can we ever expect to stop having wars in the world?
  • Lykos 2008/03/19 19:13:55
  • MadHatter 2008/03/19 15:41:30
  • Dogg ~ ... MadHatter 2008/03/19 15:50:06
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    +2
    that what I'm scared of. I would need a priest to get that spirit out.

    hate has no place in a house if any god unless you are working for the moring star
  • Patrick 2008/03/19 12:24:40
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    Patrick
    +4
    Hell we are all still slaves, half of your working year salaries go for some sort of tax or fine's. I just wish most of the Blacks in this country would visit Africa and them come back and complain. You can't change the past but you sure as heck change the future, if you change it with hate that is what you will live with, if you change it with love and respect that is what you will live with.
  • Dogg ~ ... Patrick 2008/03/19 13:13:51
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    +1
    usally patrick, I disagree with you. but you are 100% correct here
  • Chocola... Patrick 2008/03/20 03:30:37
    Chocolat-In the universe I trust.
    +1
    All of African is not ghetto.
  • Dogg ~ ... Chocola... 2008/03/20 03:44:35
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    +1
    no but over 68% of the nation has AIDS. so it can't be the great. But Obama's pastor says whites gave AIDS to that nation.... but rape over there is like fleas on a dog.
  • mentone... Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/20 05:49:50
    mentonemommyisgoingtofacebook
    I have often wondered if the government had anything to do with the AIDS virus. Not black or white, just government in general. Look at who it kills-gays, blacks, and drug users-for the most part.
    Am I the only one that feels this way?
  • Patrick Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/20 12:08:58
    Patrick
    Aids originated in Africa with the contamanation from eating monkeys and getting aids infected blood into cuts or sores! So where does he get we created Aids.
  • WICKED Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/20 14:07:13 (edited)
    WICKED
    DONT KNOW WHAT COLOR THEY WERE BUT IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT AIDS WAS MADE IN A ONE OF "OUR LABS"..ITS MAN MADE THATS FOR SURE & ALL I CAN SAY IS NAZI...TO HELL W/ COLOR LETS TALK ELITES AND UGENICS....BUMMER
  • Patrick Chocola... 2008/03/20 12:07:18
    Patrick
    +1
    Building cities and having modern items doesn't mean they are civilized. Same goes for here. But the tribal hate is deeper than any racial divide in this great nation. We haven't had a geneocide here ever! All parts of Africa suffer from this ignorance and those who try to bring light are usually the first to go. I have been there and see the good people and the bad.
  • GEMINII : queen of hope 2008/03/19 11:37:09
    your right, white or black bad father figure
    GEMINII : queen of hope
    +4
    dont teach hate to kids some learn it on thier own and thats bad enough
  • mentonemommyisgoingtofacebook 2008/03/19 10:05:04
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    mentonemommyisgoingtofacebook
    +1
    As I have seen from these polls the past couple of weeks, racism and hate are alive and well in the US!! People are accusing Obama of being a hater and a racist, while in the same breath, expressing their hatred for him. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Churches have been preaching hate for many years, be it about blacks, whites, or gays. I'm sure people are sitting around their dining room table talking about Obama in front of their children, or they talk about blacks or gays in front of their children. You have no right to take the moral high ground when most of you are just as guilty as you accuse Obama of being. I think anyone who accuses Obama of being racist needs to take a good look at themselves and what they talk about around THEIR children.
  • Dogg ~ ... mentone... 2008/03/20 02:06:57
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    +2
    I totally agree. at tonite dinner table we talked about how today is two annervieritys , one the 5th year of the iraq war, and me and my oldest son talk about the war why it started , why were there and how come we can find a mad cow out of 150000, but not some guy hiding in a cave. and the second was this is the 50 year celabration of the peace sign which came from nuclear disarment. we talked about the trouble in china and the wrongs of china. and yes we talked about obama and how if this man gets in office on his views of the nafa and nau will be the down fall of the nation. and other saying we felt bad for his child for having a father how forces hate on the kids. nothing more was said. we also talk about should we have duck or turkey or goose for istar this sunday. which was a very big part of our dinner debate. what goes on at your house?
  • Chocola... Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/20 03:35:54
    Chocolat-In the universe I trust.
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    Dogg,

    No hate is being forced on Obama's children. I think it very presumption of you to think he would not discuss inappropriate behavior to his children. If you protect your child from all that is bad how will they learn to make good decision? Furthermore, what you were not told is churches have childrens church and bible study. Children are usually listening to the pastor by in another area learning scripture.
  • Dogg ~ ... Chocola... 2008/03/20 17:41:48 (edited)
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    you really have no clue do you. Ok. you tell me that clinton can't talk about racism because she not black..... ok, Obama can't talk about sexism because he's not a female. Now you went to college so you know this , for those who, didn't watch carefully. racism and sexism are both a "ism" they teach this in higher schools. both of this are and should be wrong here in america. Ism means "It is taken from the Greek suffix -ismos, Latin -ismus, and Old French -isme, that likewise forms abstract nouns from verbal stems. An example is baptism, from Greek baptismos "immersion", derived from baptizein, a Greek verb meaning "to immerse. and immerse means to surround yourself with. So this is the fun part. to be part of sexism is to treat some one badly soley on their sex. The same goes with racism. to treat some one baddly soley on their race. It doesn't say treat black man badly. it says some one.
    Now if I drink.(which I rarely do) and go to the bar and drink, and the children know I'm a bar drinking. And they never been in a bar. they are at a playgrond somewhere else. but when I come out of the bar, with every one else. even if I don't say a word, they will hear others talking about the actions in the bar.
    I don't plan on changing your mind, nor anyone elses, i have realized that the black cul...'
    you really have no clue do you. Ok. you tell me that clinton can't talk about racism because she not black..... ok, Obama can't talk about sexism because he's not a female. Now you went to college so you know this , for those who, didn't watch carefully. racism and sexism are both a "ism" they teach this in higher schools. both of this are and should be wrong here in america. Ism means "It is taken from the Greek suffix -ismos, Latin -ismus, and Old French -isme, that likewise forms abstract nouns from verbal stems. An example is baptism, from Greek baptismos "immersion", derived from baptizein, a Greek verb meaning "to immerse. and immerse means to surround yourself with. So this is the fun part. to be part of sexism is to treat some one badly soley on their sex. The same goes with racism. to treat some one baddly soley on their race. It doesn't say treat black man badly. it says some one.
    Now if I drink.(which I rarely do) and go to the bar and drink, and the children know I'm a bar drinking. And they never been in a bar. they are at a playgrond somewhere else. but when I come out of the bar, with every one else. even if I don't say a word, they will hear others talking about the actions in the bar.
    I don't plan on changing your mind, nor anyone elses, i have realized that the black cultures feels it a victom for the last 500 years. and it another decade or so when the hispanicwill by past them and find a better place in american culture. The blacks will call them white. so I'm about done with this. i look at the whites and they blend everything to gether to make thier culture. think not look at a saint patricks day. their motto today every one is irish. Not every one but asains. or black. but everyone. and you can keep your culture and move freely in the WHITE world, I call it america, a mix of every one. It is the those(insert said race here) who wish to be different. It is those( insert said race here) that need to move on with life.
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  • mentone... Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/20 05:44:36
    mentonemommyisgoingtofacebook
    dogg-I wasn't accusing anyone in particular-I hope you didn't take it that way. But you have to admit, there are some REALLY biased polls out there and you know that people are talking about race and how good or bad it is in front of their children.
    I myself haven't seen an example of Obama being racist. So until I do, I'm still going to vote for him.
    and by the way, the ONLY person I badmouth around my kids is Bush, and even that is a rare occurence. They are still little-they wouldn't understand most of that yet anyway.
  • Chocola... mentone... 2008/03/20 03:32:58
    Chocolat-In the universe I trust.
    +1
    Mentonemommy,

    I totally agree. Yet, in one case that I know of I do not believe this person see it as an expression of hate.
  • TananaTrish 2008/03/19 06:33:06
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    TananaTrish
    +2
    I don't vote according to race or sex or political party. I vote for the person who can and does address the issues that I believe are the most important for the nation. For that reason I'm voting for Dr. Ron Paul. Whatever Mr. Obama says, does,is of no interest to me what so ever. I see the all of this as just another dog and pony show, a sudo circus that is an insult to my intelligence.
  • TananaT... TananaT... 2008/03/19 06:39:52
    TananaTrish
    +1
    Dogg, you and your people have a proud and long heritage; strikes me that it would do us well to walk in the moccasins of the elders to learn the wisdom that allowed them to survive and thrive for over 2,000 years... especially now.
  • Dogg ~ ... TananaT... 2008/03/19 11:54:55
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    +1
    i know this is sad. but i just found out what racism in the black and white view was. I felt sick. Because I always thought of my self a racist. And my idea and what I was taught was racism in having pride in your own culture and race. So i thought it was a good thing if some one was a little racist. Then I foundoiut it when you hate either black or white to a degree you wished them dead for nothing more then their skin color.
    And if that IS the veiw poeple have. I'm not going to deal with that noise. I would vote McCAIn or even Bush again before Obama got my vote. yeah poeple should try to see the gifts some one have before hating them
  • Wesloco 2008/03/19 03:58:42
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    Wesloco
    +1
    This is a very difficult situation because we are at a dividing point where so many people about my age and the age of Rev Wright still remember when America was very different than what it is today and it is very difficult to believe how much our culture has changed and how far we have come as nation in removing so many obstacles that kept women and minorities down.

    Young people on the other hand are witness to how all the doors have been opened to anyone who is willing to put in the effort to achieve. People like Rev Wright see that there are discrepancies between groups and they attribute it still to the causes of before without accepting that today if you don't make it is not because you don't have the opportunity but rather because you don't grab them.

    If you prepare yourself with an education and keep your nose clean you can achieve any goal and as Senator Obama is proving you can achieve any goal regardless of color.
  • Chocola... Wesloco 2008/03/20 03:39:51
    Chocolat-In the universe I trust.
    Wesloco,

    Opportunity have gotten better. I resent the remark "keeping your nose clean" but there is still discrimination and racism practiced. It is just not as open as before. You may not believe it....but I am a living witness that it still exist.
  • Dogg ~ ... Chocola... 2008/03/20 03:45:53
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    Ithought you lived in the same area of Obama's multi million dollar home?
  • Wesloco Chocola... 2008/03/20 04:07:08
    Wesloco
    +1
    Hey Tres! Always good to hear from you! (-:

    Now Tres I cannot say that it doesn't exist especially if you say to me that you still experience it and I don't doubt what you say because there are idiots out there that still judge people by what's on the outside but that being said many of our young people throw away many opportunities by not taking full advantage of the education system and also by putting themselves in positions where they get a criminal record. Sometimes because it's necessary to survive but still it happens.

    Here's a story, I grew up in South Los Angeles in the 70s and 80s and as a young man I got into with some dudes from the Denver Lane Bloods. I lived in the area of the Broadway Gangster Crips and the Eleven Deuce Crips and many of these guys grew up with me and even though I wasn't a member of these gangs I was de facto because I lived in those hoods and they were my friends. Well having made enemies with the Lanes those people don't play, they kill! I had to carry a gun with me all the time and since I was a low rider I used to get pulled over a lot. Well I got a rap for carrying a concealed weapon and possession of a loaded firearm.

    That conviction has kept me from many taking advantage of many opportunities and that's why I say "keeping your nose clean" even though I realize that for inner city youth many times it's easier said than done.
  • WICKED 2008/03/19 03:52:33 (edited)
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    WICKED
    +1
    THE GOVERNMENT HAS SPLIT UP THE FAMILY BY BEING IN
    BED WITH THE FEDERAL RESERVE & INTERNATIONAL BANKERS
    MAKING BOTH MOM AND DAD BOTH WORK TO AFFORD LUXURES,
    LIKE TOLIET PAPER AND MAC-N-CHEESE,

    MOST "FAMILES" ARE SINGLE (LIKE ME)
    THERE FORE...ME BEING "BOTH" 2-1 OR THE MOM AND THE DAD

    THAN MY TAKE ON THIS QUESTION IS..... THAT THE APPLE DONT FALL 2
    FAR FROM THE TREE...SO ASK YOUR SELF HOW IS ~YOUR~ FOUNDATION
    FAMILY WISE??....BE RESPONCIABLE FOR THE LIFE U PRODUCE.....

    PERIOD.....
  • ordinar... WICKED 2008/03/19 04:19:46
    ordinary average guy
    In your situation you have to work but the government does not make a couple who earn $200,000.00 a year both work. Self improvement drives many dual income couples along with the idea of keeping up with the Jones. I know couples where the mom stays home and there income is $40,000.00 or less. Just a few less toys and luxuries.
  • WICKED ordinar... 2008/03/19 04:35:00 (edited)
    WICKED
    HUH?...IAM TALKING TO MY REAL BROTHERS OUT ON THE
    STREET, THERE ARE WAY MORE OF US THEN YOU & YOUR SENERO'

    PS. WHOS DOING ALL THE WORK FOR "THOSE FAMILES"
    TRY 12,000 AS A WAITRESS OR A TIRE LUBE GUY....PLEZ...

    SO DISCARDING $$$$$$ THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING
    SO THANKS BUSH FOR ALL YOUVE DONE 2 SUPPORT
    THE PEOPLE THEY LOVE....AND THE AMERICAN DREAM
    AND FAMILY VALUES I HOLD DEAR.......MEH...
  • Dogg ~ ... WICKED 2008/03/19 04:37:19
    Dogg ~ Ready for war
    i think he know s that doll. but a person in obamas shoes even if he got divorce his children would have no wants. and that is the angle i was going with.
  • ordinar... Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/19 04:43:10
    ordinary average guy
    +1
    Thank you.
  • WICKED Dogg ~ ... 2008/03/20 14:27:03 (edited)
    WICKED
    I THINK HE "PROTESTS" TOO MUCH AND BLAMES
    THE "POOR" FOR HIS OWN INADEQUIES...IF HE
    DID HIS HOMEWORK THE ELITE'S AGENDA IS TO
    DIVIDE AND CONQUER (POOR, BLACK, WHITE, RED
    YELLOW) HATE IS WATCHING YOUR GOVERNMENT
    DO THIS TO YOUR COUNTRY AND STANDING THERE
    WITH THEIR DICKUS IN THEIR HAND RAMBLING ON
    HOW THEY PAY THEIR TAXES...B.F.D. GOVERNMENT
    DOESNT SAVE PEOPLE OR OUR FAMILIES, INDIVIDUALS DO!!!
    AND SO I SAY TALK IS CHEAP MY BROTHER MONKEY
    YOUR APATHY FOR THE "REAL" ISSUE IS WEAKSAUCE
  • ordinar... WICKED 2008/03/19 04:43:45
    ordinary average guy
    I'm not saying it works for everyone as I mentioned. Since you're screaming at me I'm sure you can't hear my point. Oh well.

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