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Should "under God" be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

Megan ~ PHAET 2010/04/13 21:57:39
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  • King Anti-Christ 666 2010/04/14 21:37:40
    No, and here's why:
    King Anti-Christ 666
    +4
    sould be under "satan " sould satan
  • Hebertprime 2010/04/14 21:34:01
    Yes, and here's why:
    Hebertprime
    +4
    Our nation was founded upon Christian principles.
    Regardless of your religion or political beliefs, that is our heritage and it should be celebrated.
  • NoName Hebertp... 2010/10/09 04:18:47
    NoName
    "Our nation was founded upon Christian principles. "

    [citation needed]

    "Regardless of your religion or political beliefs, that is our heritage and it should be celebrated."

    Yes, but that is a far cry from it being placed in a country's pledge - especially a secular country with freedom of/from religion.
  • Lanikai 2010/04/14 21:33:21 (edited)
    Yes, and here's why:
    Lanikai
    +3
    We are a nation founded for Freedom OF religion, by Christians who believed the Bible and the Lord Jesus Christ. Look how many miracles it took just to get us formed up as a nation. God was in it from the beginning, KNOWING it would create a Godly nation to evangelize throughout the world. We were NOT creates as a secular, atheist, or whatever nation. Founded by Christians of various sects for the freedom of all Chrstians. So YES< God should be in th epledge and school kids should recite the pledge every morning, while facing a flag and then sing God Bless America.

    Edited to add this poem:Mary had a little lamb
    His fleece was white as snow.
    And everywhere that Mary went,
    The Lamb was sure to go.
    He followed her to school each day,
    T'wasn't even in the rule.
    It made the children laugh and play,
    To have a Lamb at school.
    And then the rules all changed one day,
    illegal it became;
    To bring the Lamb of God to school,
    Or even speak His Name.
    Every day got worse and worse,
    And days turned into years.
    Instead of hearing children laugh,
    We heard gun shots and tears.
    What must we do to stop the crime,
    That's in our schools today?
    Let's let the Lamb come back to school,
    And teach our kids to pray!
  • xcheshi... Lanikai 2010/04/14 22:30:58
    xcheshirecat
    +1
    "We are a nation founded for Freedom OF religion"

    but only for christians, as the rest of your post can tell ?
  • Lanikai xcheshi... 2010/04/15 16:20:08
    Lanikai
    Well, we are a founded CHRISTIAN nation, so yes, I have a preference that WE get OUR rights and that we NOT be subjected to the abuses that many of the "other" relifions are foisting upon us. WE are the majority, so muslims, and all others need to hush up, WE are the majority and if the "other" religions don;t like that WE are the majority-MOVE.
  • xcheshi... Lanikai 2010/04/15 17:00:01
    xcheshirecat
    Christians aren't supposed not to be selfish ?

    Would really like to know what "others religions" had done that destroy one of your right

    And you can't say "freedom and religion" and on the other side telling it's only for christians.

    Like saying "I'm not racist but I don't want black in my bus"
  • Lanikai xcheshi... 2010/04/15 17:09:33
    Lanikai
    Atheists, are demanding THEY have more of a right to NOT hear the word God then we christians have to USE the word God, same with a lot of muslims, no Christmas parties-winter celebrations. THAT is the problem.
  • xcheshi... Lanikai 2010/04/15 17:45:22
    xcheshirecat
    In public, we need NEUTRALITY
    It's not atheism. Pledge of allegiance is something public, and by the state. The state need to be neutral, because it needs that to be just

    Even if you white house doesn't officially celebrate christmas, you still have the right to do so.

    Religion is something individual, society has to be neutral to be just with everyone. No group is more important than the other.


    Plus, atheist, not the extremists ones, doesn't care about what is celebrate. But there's extremist, like in every religion

    A christian group trying to destroy a marilyn manson show is not different than atheist who want private parties being called "winter thingy"

    Public stuff = neutral
    Private = Do what you believe
  • nightlight 2010/04/14 20:39:12
    No, and here's why:
    nightlight
    +5
    No. We might as well be saying "under Oden", or "under Zeus", or "under the Great Flying Spagetti Monster. To continue to assert a belief in an imaginary supernatural entity for whom there is no proof or evidence is a form of insanity.
  • xcheshi... nightlight 2010/04/14 22:31:27
    xcheshirecat
    Ramen !
    ;)
  • nightlight xcheshi... 2010/04/17 00:35:19
    nightlight
    To the best of my knowledge, "Ramen" is a type of japanese noodles - a favorite of mine, by the way. It sounds somehow positive but I am still confused by your reply; please clarify if you will.
  • xcheshi... nightlight 2010/04/17 21:33:59
    xcheshirecat
    Cause you talked about spaghetti monster, and their version of amen is Ramen hehe
  • LittleMissPatriot 2010/04/14 20:03:39
    Yes, and here's why:
    LittleMissPatriot
    +4
    Because, despite what the Muslim in chief claims, America is a CHRISTIAN nation.
  • doctorw... LittleM... 2010/04/14 22:40:38
    doctorwhofan~Tatae~BN-4
    +1
    what about the establishment clause?
  • NoName LittleM... 2010/10/09 22:27:27
    NoName
    Actually, despite what anybody claims, we are a SECULAR nation in politics, laws, and government.
  • LittleM... NoName 2010/10/10 12:36:33
    LittleMissPatriot
    +1
    Wrong. America has NEVER been a secular nation and never will be. All of our laws and the Constitution were based on BIBLICAL laws.
  • Lurch 2010/04/14 19:58:37
    No, and here's why:
    Lurch
    +2
    Our country was founded on a separation of church and state, despite what the revisionists try to tell you. There are millions of non-Christians who find "under God" to be meaningless or even offensive. Personally, I don't believe any allegiance to nation, if taken in any way seriously, can be construed based on one single religious interpretation.

    Rule by the majority with protection of rights of the minority.

    I have an idea. We can give all the religions a special day of the week for saying the Pledge.

    Mondays are Convivial Christian Day and everyone must say "under God".
    Tuesdays are Joyous Jew Day and everyone must say "under God, but not Jesus".
    Wednesdays are Merry Muslim Day and everyone must say "under Allah".
    Thursdays are Bright Buddha Day and everyone must say "under everybody".
    Fridays are Animated Atheist Day and everyone must say "under no spell or trance".

    How's that sound?
  • LittleM... Lurch 2010/04/14 20:04:43
    LittleMissPatriot
    +3
    I can see YOU follow the revisionists. This country was founded by CHRISTIANS as a CHRISTIAN nation.
  • Lurch LittleM... 2010/04/14 20:18:51
    Lurch
    +2
    Separation of Church and State. It's the law. No where in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence does it say we are a "Christian Nation".

    Thomas Jefferson:
    "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their "legislature" should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."

    Article Six of the U.S. Constitution:
    "...but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

    Moreover, the first amendment to the US Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise th...
    Separation of Church and State. It's the law. No where in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence does it say we are a "Christian Nation".

    Thomas Jefferson:
    "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their "legislature" should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."

    Article Six of the U.S. Constitution:
    "...but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

    Moreover, the first amendment to the US Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" The two parts, known as the "establishment clause" and the "free exercise clause" respectively, form the textual basis for the Supreme Court's interpretations of the "separation of church and state" doctrine.
    (more)
  • JackSchitt Lurch 2010/04/14 22:37:50
    JackSchitt
    +1
    While you are correct in saying that no official document declares us a Christian nation, the phrase "Separation of Church and State" appears in no official document of this country either....only in the Jefferson letter to the Danbury Baptist Association. So it is NOT "the law".

    The only law that exists is that there will be NO SINGLE established "National Religion" of the United States. This includes Atheism. Since 92% of the citizens of this nation believe in SOME God, I see removing it from the pledge as bucking the majority.

    We are guaranteed "freedom OF religion", not "freedom FROM religion".
  • Lurch JackSchitt 2010/04/14 23:39:19
    Lurch
    I see removing it as bucking the majority too, and I don't ever see it being removed. It is stuck there for all eternity probably, because nobody, myself included, who believes it does not belong there is willing to spend a buck to try to get it removed. Just not a battle worth fighting, nevermind the odds against winning it for the moment!
  • LittleM... JackSchitt 2010/04/15 08:17:11
    LittleMissPatriot
    +1
    And the law ONLY applies to the FEDERAL government. States can establish any religion they want.
  • JackSchitt LittleM... 2010/04/15 13:00:25
    JackSchitt
    Exactly.
  • LittleM... Lurch 2010/10/10 12:39:44 (edited)
    LittleMissPatriot
    +1
    It has NEVER been to law. Our founding fathers meant this to be a Christian nation. They never thought that their descendants would be too stupid to think otherwise. You prove that they should have.
  • Lanikai Lurch 2010/04/14 21:49:28
    Lanikai
    THAT is revisionist. This nation was founded BY christians and there is scripture on every building and monument in DC. Seperation of church and state was a reference to NO state sponsored religion -because in that day and time, the governments of ost countries determined the religious life of the entore country. HERE< we were founded to worship God, in our own manner.
  • LittleM... Lurch 2010/10/10 12:37:39
    LittleMissPatriot
    +1
    The revisionists are the ones claiming that the separation of church and state is what our founding fathers wanted, when the truth is the complete opposite.
  • Reaper 2010/04/14 18:55:38
    No, and here's why:
    Reaper
    +1
    No it causes complications in a persons belief system and can cause alot of trouble.
  • petean05 2010/04/14 17:48:09
    Undecided
    petean05
    +3
    I think it shouldn't have been added in the first place, but I think there are a lot of things more important than this. Its practically a non-issue for me. I won't say "under god" because I don't believe in god, and I think lying when I talk about pledging my allegiance to my country is wrong.
  • Kennedy1st 2010/04/14 17:20:14
    Yes, and here's why:
    Kennedy1st
    +2
    U see nothing wrong with using "under God".The ACLU is anti God and I am anti-ACLU.
    Leave it alone.A person can omit God,if they want to.I will leave God in.I know I'll get flack for this but I don't care.I calls them as I sees them!!!!!!
    Kennedy1st
    When I think of ACLU,I think godif leave god ill flack care calls sees kennedy1st aclui godif leave god ill flack care calls sees kennedy1st aclui
  • Anemone 2010/04/14 17:04:05
    Undecided
    Anemone
    +2
    I don't really care, either way. I don't believe in God, so the words,"under God, are meaningless, to me.
  • Kennedy1st Anemone 2010/04/14 17:24:23
    Kennedy1st
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  • elgriz 2010/04/14 16:58:45
    Yes, and here's why:
    elgriz
    +2
    The foundations of our system of government were based on what's known as "Natural Law". If you want to be educated and informed, instead of merely opinionated...read "The 5000 Year Leap" by W. Cleon Skousen, a 30 year old book by a Constitutional lawyer. It's brilliant and thorough.
  • AudiRS4 2010/04/14 15:11:31
    Yes, and here's why:
    AudiRS4
    +2
    I'm not Christian, was never Christian and probably will never be Christian. But, I do believe that "under God" is an integral part of the pledge of allegiance and that it should not be removed. It's a really petty issue and I'm not at all bothered by it.
  • Kennedy1st AudiRS4 2010/04/14 17:26:45
    Kennedy1st
    +1
    Totally agree with you and SyDnEeWaSErE.If you don't like it,don't say it.Now,wasn't that easy ?
    Kennedy1st
  • NoName AudiRS4 2010/10/09 22:30:27
    NoName
    "But, I do believe that "under God" is an integral part of the pledge of allegiance"

    Only for 54 years of our history, 62 years before that, we didn't have it in our pledge.

    The only reason was spiritual grandstanding against the Soviets pushed in part by a religious organization. That alone, IMO, makes me think that it shouldn't remain.
  • sydneewashere☮ 2010/04/14 14:38:29
    Yes, and here's why:
    sydneewashere☮
    +2
    I'm agnostic verging on athiesm and I STILL think it should be in the pledge. Just because some whiney people don't want it, they have to realize that our country was founded on religion. So, if you don't want it in the pledge, then just don't say it. 'Nough said.
  • xcheshirecat 2010/04/14 14:04:27
    No, and here's why:
    xcheshirecat
    +1
    Because a society has to be neutral to be just
  • Lanikai xcheshi... 2010/04/14 21:50:53
    Lanikai
    Can you tell obummer and company that please?
  • xcheshi... Lanikai 2010/04/14 22:28:50
    xcheshirecat
    uh ?

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