Should "under God" be in the Pledge of Allegiance?
Megan ~ PHAET
2010/04/13 21:57:39
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Eric ~ The Logician 2010/04/13 22:34:05
It says in the Constitution of the US that there is (or should be!) a separation of church and state. "Under god" is obviously respecting monotheistic religions, and we are not a 'monotheistic nation.'
Of course it belongs there....
Most of were deist meaning they believed in a creator. There were no athiest but not all were religious.
Our basic laws are based on the last 5 Commandments:
You shall not murder.- you don't kill someone for their shoes
You shall not commit adultery.- you love/respect your spouse
You shall not steal. - you don't steal someone's shoes
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.- You don't lie or gossip about your neighbor for personal gain.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. - you don't take from your neighbor because you want what they have but don't want to work for it. To do so is what some would call entitlements today or welfare where you impose taxes on one group to give to another.
“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"
-Thomas Jefferson
Don't look at one man and think our whole Constitution was formed by only him and his beliefs. Look to Madison, Adams, Washington, Paine, etc. ... equally great men who formed a great nation like nothing else seen in the world before or since.
They all essentially say the Government cannot intervene and pass laws leaning towards any particular religion. That everyone is free to practice his own religion. That last sentence is most certainly not a Christian value.
Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797 (Signed by Adams) Clearly states:Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
If we really were a Christian nation, we wouldn't enjoy many of the freedoms that we do today.
I believe the Government in Article 11 declares that the United States of America is not a theocracy which we are not! We are a nation of We the People who vote to set up our government, we do not have a religion telling us what to do such as you find in Iran or India or Pakistan under Muslim or Shari Law. The treaty was in essence worded in such a way that it did not offend the Muslim nation as the United States did not want to go to war over their beliefs.
The people at the time of our Constitution were for the majority europeans and were escaping the rule of the Church of England so they could practice their beliefs as they wished and not under the Tyranny of the King of England.
Our Founders were not all religious this is quite true, but there were no atheist, no muslims, no hindu, no buddhists ... they either followed a religion, simply recognized Jesus as the Christ, or believed in a creator. Get a grip girl and learn our history.
Founding Fathers Quotes
"The country's first two presidents, George Washington and John Adams, were firm believers in the importance of ...
I believe the Government in Article 11 declares that the United States of America is not a theocracy which we are not! We are a nation of We the People who vote to set up our government, we do not have a religion telling us what to do such as you find in Iran or India or Pakistan under Muslim or Shari Law. The treaty was in essence worded in such a way that it did not offend the Muslim nation as the United States did not want to go to war over their beliefs.
The people at the time of our Constitution were for the majority europeans and were escaping the rule of the Church of England so they could practice their beliefs as they wished and not under the Tyranny of the King of England.
Our Founders were not all religious this is quite true, but there were no atheist, no muslims, no hindu, no buddhists ... they either followed a religion, simply recognized Jesus as the Christ, or believed in a creator. Get a grip girl and learn our history.
Founding Fathers Quotes
"The country's first two presidents, George Washington and John Adams, were firm believers in the importance of religion for republican government." -- official Library of Congress statement
"...both the legislators and the public considered it appropriate
for the national government to promote a nondenominational, nonpolemical Christianity."-- official Library of Congress statement
Have you ever read a quote that seemed to show that our Founders weren't Christians?
http://www.eadshome.com/Quote...
Thomas Jefferson:
“ The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”
“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”
"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital) [Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings, (New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson’s Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]
I only ask that it isn't someone's opinion but actual documentation as was given you which you. It actually says you can go to the Library of Congress to see the original. You chose to ignore or maybe you just don't know the difference between something that is documented and someone's opinon and you are nothing but a troll or as they like to say here on SH nothing but a sock puppet!
I'm not saying I know it all, I'm picking one very small facet of our history that you interpret incorrectly. That is all.
Keep the blinders on as I am sure you feel more comfortable it is so much easier to look at only the tree rather than the whole forest.