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Should the words "under God" be included or removed from the US Pledge of Allegiance?

ANGEL 2012/07/01 04:06:23
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The Pledge of Allegiance was first written in 1892 for a magazine
contest, and it read: "I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic
for which it stands; one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all." The Pledge became part of the US Flag Code in 1942, and in
1954 President Eisenhower and Congress added the phrase "under God” into
the Pledge.




Proponents of including "under God” in the Pledge argue that the US
is a Christian nation, at least 80% of Americans support the phrase, the
language reflects America’s civic culture and is not a religious
statement, and federal law, state constitutions, currency, and the
presidential oath already contain references to God.




Opponents contend that church and state should be kept strictly
separate as the Founding Fathers intended. They argue that the
Constitution protects minority rights against majority will, and that
the words "under God" in the Pledge are a religious phrase and thus
violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

I'd be interested in the opinions of those from all religious backgrounds - Christians, Scientology, Jewish, Pagans, etc. I'm certain Atheists would like to see the phrase removed.

Do you believe the words "under God" should be included or removed from the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

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  • Rebel Uke 2012/07/01 04:13:25
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    "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute" - President JFK September 12, 1960

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  • Metaldane JohnT 2012/07/02 03:57:25 (edited)
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    See here's the problem we aren't a democracy we're a constitutional republic the difference is here the minority still has a voice especially when they're being pushed around by the majority which is what this pledge issue is about. That's why our government was set up the way it was by the founding fathers and why they didn't add god to the pledge.
  • mustangluver 2012/07/01 04:37:19
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    Either or is fine with me. Makes no diff what so ever in my life.
  • Inquisitve Kat 2012/07/01 04:34:53
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    It was an unnecessary addition. "Under God" excludes non-Christians, who are also American.
  • BongRipper 2012/07/01 04:34:38
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    How about if you don't believe in god, you don't say "under god", and if you do believe in god you say "under god", but no one gets mad at anyone because it's just a song.
  • Metaldane BongRipper 2012/07/01 05:00:46
    Metaldane
    Because in essence it's a posse of allegiance that is supposed to cover all Americans and now it doesn't before the addition it did and if it is optional then it shouldn't be in the official writing of the pledge which is what we had before.
  • BongRipper Metaldane 2012/07/01 14:59:36
    BongRipper
    It's essence it's just a song
  • Metaldane BongRipper 2012/07/01 15:16:29
    Metaldane
    Most people only encounter it when its sung but its not a song its a pledge it's what you have to swear to gain citizenship when your not born here and it's meant to be a way all citizens can show their loyalty to the republic.
  • BongRipper Metaldane 2012/07/02 00:48:17
    BongRipper
    The only thing I pledge allegiance too is myself
  • Metaldane BongRipper 2012/07/02 03:58:49
    Metaldane
    Woopdeedoo
  • BongRipper Metaldane 2012/07/03 09:53:26
    BongRipper
    Patriotism isn't very metal
  • Metaldane BongRipper 2012/07/03 12:13:14
    Metaldane
    One there's more then on form of metal and two it aint about patriotism is about not having the right wing shoving their religious ideals into everybody's lives.
  • BongRipper Metaldane 2012/07/03 21:58:37
    BongRipper
    God shouldn't bother you if you don't believe in him
  • Metaldane BongRipper 2012/07/03 22:03:42
    Metaldane
    Then why add it in the first place was the pledge any worse off before? No it cause no issues in it's previous form this form does as it is discriminatory against those who don't beleive in gods or just one god. Under god was allowed on an individual level before but not put in the official writing can you give me a good reason to add it there?
  • BongRipper Metaldane 2012/07/03 22:17:06
    BongRipper
    I can't bring myself to care enough to even try to think of a good reason.
  • Metaldane BongRipper 2012/07/04 04:39:30
    Metaldane
    That's cause there ain't one now if you really don't care as much as you say can ya stop replying now cuz idk where this conversation is going anymore
  • 666_Maggots~PassionForGlory... 2012/07/01 04:32:50 (edited)
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    I believe in TRUE seperation from church and state! That's why I also skip over that line. Not everybody believe in god!
  • Wyzard 666_Mag... 2012/07/01 15:43:35
    Wyzard
    +1
    show me in the constitution where it says seperation of church and state....its not there...
  • 666_Mag... Wyzard 2012/07/01 15:52:30 (edited)
    666_Maggots~PassionForGlory BN-1
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    Yes it is! The right to freedom of religion is so central to American democracy that it was enshrined in the First Amendment to the Constitution along with other fundamental rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

          -- The First Amendment
    In order to guarantee an atmosphere of absolute religious liberty, this country's founders also mandated the strict SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Largely because of this prohibition against government regulation or endorsement of religion, diverse faiths have flourished and thrived in America since the founding of the republic. Indeed, James Madison, the father of the United States Constitution, once observed that "the [religious] devotion of the people has been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the state."
  • Wyzard 666_Mag... 2012/07/01 18:27:06
    Wyzard
    sorry, that does not say seperation of church and state, care to try again?
  • 666_Mag... Wyzard 2012/07/01 18:29:26 (edited)
    666_Maggots~PassionForGlory BN-1
    +1
    It's involved in there with freedom of religion. To bring religion into state you must bring all religion, not one. It's called discrimination if you do. That's why it is separated in that ammendment. So stop making excuses for yourself.
  • lucythetooth 2012/07/01 04:26:28
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    They should have never been added in the first place. Separation of church and state. "In God We Trust" should be taken off our currency as well.
  • FlyGalsMom lucythe... 2012/07/01 05:39:39
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    +1
    There is NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION that says SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE~~ What it says is that CONGRESS shall make rules ESTABLISHING A RELIGION~
  • FlyGalsMom FlyGalsMom 2012/07/01 05:41:14
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    OOPS TYPO`~ CONGRESS Shall make NO RULES ESTABLISHING A RELIGION``
  • lucythe... FlyGalsMom 2012/07/01 16:38:02
    lucythetooth
    +1
    I never said there was anything in the Constitution stating that. I merely reiterated that 'Separation of Church and State' is a principle this country practices and that *I* feel the phrase should not be on our currency.
  • peaches FlyGalsMom 2012/07/01 21:17:33 (edited)
    peaches
    Um, the 1st amendment? It clearly states that principal O.o
  • Wyzard lucythe... 2012/07/01 15:43:57
    Wyzard
    +1
    show me in the constitution where it says seperation of church and state....its not there...
  • lucythe... Wyzard 2012/07/01 16:38:19
    lucythetooth
    +1
    I never said there was anything in the Constitution stating that. I merely reiterated that 'Separation of Church and State' is a principle this country practices and that *I* feel the phrase should not be on our currency.
  • peaches Wyzard 2012/07/01 21:18:15
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    Read the 1st amendment (:
  • bman~AVA 2012/07/01 04:16:45
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    Well, it seems like to me that we've got it on our money, and our court houses so why not keep it on our pledge?? Me personally I like it there.
  • Dan 2012/07/01 04:16:01
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    Every country/society has a cultural history. God is very large part of ours.
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    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
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    That being said I do think there are a lot more important issues to worry about.
  • Rebel Uke 2012/07/01 04:13:25
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    "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute" - President JFK September 12, 1960
  • Wyzard Rebel Uke 2012/07/01 15:44:16
    Wyzard
    show me in the constitution where it says seperation of church and state....its not there...
  • Rebel Uke Wyzard 2012/07/01 19:24:14 (edited)
    Rebel Uke
    show me where in my comment i inferred that it was. The idea of the separation of church and state is an interpretation of the founding principles of our country.

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