Quantcast

Should the USA have prisons run by private corporations for profit?

\V/ 2009/07/24 19:01:06
Politics Government - No Ne...
Yes, its the solution to crime and political dissidents
Privitized prisons will only lead to abuse
We are headed towards a police state
You!
Add Photos & Videos
In 1998, I had a series of visions to complete my novel, "The future of slavery". I had written it while in prison, doing time for selling hashish. In my novel, it was not me but a young woman who gets arrested in the early part of the 21st century, in a police state known as the USA.

A sub theme for my novel was that right after my arrest, my fiance was killed in an auto accident and I never saw her again. In my novel, she is the one arrested and her time is sold on Ebay to the highest bidder.

I discover that this woman is my soul mate and the novel is about my struggle to be reunited with her. I was advised to change the name of my novel to "Birth of an Angel".

Today more and more prisons are being privatized. In a police state, will these prisons rehabilitate or just exploit the prisoners who are unlucky enough to be in their care? Can we reach the point where prisoners in these institutions become sex slaves?

On this poll I would like to focus on the issues around privatized prisons.
Can they be sued for abuse? Medical malpractice?
Will they become factories? Provide very cheap farm labor?
Replace illegal immigrants doing farm labor?
Are you in favor of this? Against?
Add a comment above

Top Opinion

  • Bureauc 0webama 2011/08/11 02:06:05
    Undecided
    Bureauc 0webama
    +67
    No, liberals and the PC Police have taken the deterrent out of prisons. That's why they are over crowded.
    Put Sheriff Apio in charge of all prisons and implement his policies.
    Less crime, fewer repeat offenders and cost go way down.
    IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

Sort By
  • Most Raves
  • Least Raves
  • Oldest
  • Newest
Opinions

  • Beccy 2012/07/14 21:09:25
    Privitized prisons will only lead to abuse
    Beccy
    +1
    Just a way to grease the hands of politicans hands.
  • Keith & Elizabeth 2012/01/17 15:06:08
    None of the above
    Keith & Elizabeth
    I vote that it should be just like it use to be. Pay for your crime. I do not believe that the inmates have a better life on the inside, then most do on the outside.They should not eat better, have cable or anything that those of us who are not or never will be on the inside, fight and work hard for our own stuff.I do not beleive that Alcatraz was inhumane. The criminals sent there were harsh criminals. Some were not treated very well. But they had to work for their stuff. Not 5 miles from my town there is a state prison. They grow and eat their own food. From cattle to corn. Years ago, when someone went to prison or jail most often then not they realized that prison life wasnt for them and spent their time to change their ways. I feel now that they get a slap on the wrist, thats ok. Or they will claim insanity, get a lesser sentence, get out and do it all over again. There are a lot of nationally known cases. I am going to use the case of the Texas mom whom drowned all 5 kids, 1 by 1 then layed them in bed. She had post partum depression. Her whole family knew. Her mom would come while her husband was at work. To where she would not have someone with her. Well it only took 1 time for the mistake to happen and those children paid for it. My opinion the dad is just as at fault ...
    I vote that it should be just like it use to be. Pay for your crime. I do not believe that the inmates have a better life on the inside, then most do on the outside.They should not eat better, have cable or anything that those of us who are not or never will be on the inside, fight and work hard for our own stuff.I do not beleive that Alcatraz was inhumane. The criminals sent there were harsh criminals. Some were not treated very well. But they had to work for their stuff. Not 5 miles from my town there is a state prison. They grow and eat their own food. From cattle to corn. Years ago, when someone went to prison or jail most often then not they realized that prison life wasnt for them and spent their time to change their ways. I feel now that they get a slap on the wrist, thats ok. Or they will claim insanity, get a lesser sentence, get out and do it all over again. There are a lot of nationally known cases. I am going to use the case of the Texas mom whom drowned all 5 kids, 1 by 1 then layed them in bed. She had post partum depression. Her whole family knew. Her mom would come while her husband was at work. To where she would not have someone with her. Well it only took 1 time for the mistake to happen and those children paid for it. My opinion the dad is just as at fault as the mom who actually drowned the kids. He knew she was getting worse, yes he had to support his family. But what is a few few minutes being late to work, Im sure his boss knew what was going on at home. Those few minutes could have saved his kids lives. That mama did not want to be left alone with the kids. In my opinion, he should have gotten in trouble as well.
    (more)
  • Darnel 2011/12/05 23:14:29
    Privitized prisons will only lead to abuse
    Darnel
    +1
    Sigh.
    Check other countries - China with the prisions filled with people who pissed off the ruling class there and then are put to work for profit.

    Check history. When you move in that direction you institute SLAVERY.
    Shortly after slavery ended,.. there were THOUSANDS of transients fleeing the south looking for a better life (White and black) who were rounded up by Law enforcement on vagracy charges and put into prisons for DECADES where they where put into life shortening jobs like Copper Mining.

    Innocents who were worked to death by companies in league with government to make a profit off the forced backbreaking labor.

    And here you have fools CONSIDERING a return to such stuff.

    TSK.
  • \V/ Darnel 2011/12/06 03:54:20
  • Met 2011/11/30 08:39:06
    Undecided
    Met
    I'm actually not sure on this one.

    On the one hand they'd be off the taxpayer's shoulder, living conditions would likely improve due to the need to increase work efficiency, and the prisoners would likely learn more useful trades that would assist them in rehabilitation, and locating work after release.

    On the other hand, it could be a doorway to lobbyists wanting to make any old thing illegal and punishable by long sentences to increase profitability.
  • debadow 2011/11/30 05:26:03
    Undecided
    debadow
    +1
    Looks like whoever has the money runs the prisons
  • \V/ debadow 2011/11/30 05:31:14
    \V/
    +1
    Dungeons for dollars

    The Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that there are more than 98,900 inmates in private prisons in America today. About 5.6 percent of state inmates and 13.7 percent of federal inmates are now making the ‘Dungeons for Dollars’ crowd rich.

    Forget about public safety – according to one study, inmates escape ‘secure’ private prisons at a rate that is 41 times higher than public facilities. (one escape per every 310 inmates in private prisons compared to one per every 12,500 inmates in the public sector.) Forget about staff and inmate safety - inmate-on-inmate assaults are 66 percent higher, and assaults on staff are 49 percent higher in private prisons. Forget about the importance of experience and excellence in law enforcement – private ‘guards’ receive 35 percent fewer pre-service training hours and have an astonishing 53 percent annual turnover rate of security staff.

    They are also not Peace Officers. They are private ‘guards’ who never swear an oath to protect the public, as their allegiance is to the corporation.

    Forget about saving the taxpayers money – nearly every study conducted that was not paid for in part or in whole by the private prison industry itself shows no or little cost savings. Also, every academic study done on economic development shows...



























    Dungeons for dollars

    The Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that there are more than 98,900 inmates in private prisons in America today. About 5.6 percent of state inmates and 13.7 percent of federal inmates are now making the ‘Dungeons for Dollars’ crowd rich.

    Forget about public safety – according to one study, inmates escape ‘secure’ private prisons at a rate that is 41 times higher than public facilities. (one escape per every 310 inmates in private prisons compared to one per every 12,500 inmates in the public sector.) Forget about staff and inmate safety - inmate-on-inmate assaults are 66 percent higher, and assaults on staff are 49 percent higher in private prisons. Forget about the importance of experience and excellence in law enforcement – private ‘guards’ receive 35 percent fewer pre-service training hours and have an astonishing 53 percent annual turnover rate of security staff.

    They are also not Peace Officers. They are private ‘guards’ who never swear an oath to protect the public, as their allegiance is to the corporation.

    Forget about saving the taxpayers money – nearly every study conducted that was not paid for in part or in whole by the private prison industry itself shows no or little cost savings. Also, every academic study done on economic development shows that rather than private prisons in your community providing an economic boon, the hidden costs and designation as a “prison town” is an economic boondoggle. Private prisons are about one thing and one thing only – making money for the corporation.

    Public correction professionals are judged by the safety of their prisons and the impact they have on the community. Private CEOs are judged by one thing - profit. Private prison operators don’t want fewer inmates; they want more.

    They do not want alternative sentencing, probation or parole; they want warm bodies in their cells for as long as possible. (Some of them have been caught holding inmates past their release dates to make more per diems.) They do not want recidivism rates to go down; they want them to go up. They don’t care if there is increased violence in their prisons; they don’t live or work there.

    More violence can also mean more profit. Violence brings with it new charges against the inmates, additional sentences, and loss of good time, which all result in more time behind the walls and, of course, for the corporations - more profit. Private prisons are notorious for understaffing and under training their employees. That allows them to keep costs down, while at the same time the violence increases.

    When a new public facility opens, the majority of officers are seasoned professionals who transfer in. Conversely, private prisons often boast to elected local officials that 95 percent of the employees they hire will be right from their community. That means that 95 percent of the men and women working in those facilities will have NO correctional experience.

    The wages they pay generally range from $8.25 to $10.00 an hour. Many times the biggest job responsibility that private prison guards had prior to working in a correctional facility was to be sure to ask, “Do you want fries with that?” The only pros in a private prison are the cons.

    The privateers don’t like to offer programs to promote rehabilitation, although they will when pressed. Programs cost money and may increase the likelihood that inmates might actually make it on the outside and not come back, and that’s not good for the bottom line.

    They do not want to hire and retain good help. If they did, they wouldn’t pay $8.25 - $10.00 an hour, offer few, if any, benefits, and they wouldn’t have a 53 percent annual turnover rate of security personnel either.

    They do not want to be involved with local law enforcement. It costs money in the form of manpower to interact with the police. Indeed when there is an escape or riot, the privateers routinely call the home office and not local law enforcement when it happens. Their first concern is the bad PR they will get, and not the safety of the community.

    The three biggest private prison companies, Corrections Corporation of America, Wackenhut/GEO and Cornell operate 207 facilities and have more than 141,500 available beds between them. All three are publicly held corporations. They must answer to their shareholders and not to the citizens of this country, as we in the public sector must do.

    Fortunately, the number of state inmates housed in private prisons over the last five years has decreased by 1.3 percent. Unfortunately, however, under President Bush’s administration the number of federal inmates in private prisons has increased by an astonishing 60 percent during that same period.

    Much of their growth can be linked to campaign contributions. Once again it’s all about the money.

    Should we privatize the police or the military? How about DEA, Immigration officers, the Boarder patrol, the CIA, FBI or the ATF? Of course not, and we shouldn’t privatize corrections either.

    Street police may catch the criminals, but it is professional correctional officers who must keep them away from the public. The safety of our communities should never be for sale.

    Brian Dawe is co-founder of the American Correctional Officer Intelligence Network. He also is a founding member of Corrections USA and served as their Executive Director until August, 2006. He has been in corrections for more than 24 years, and served as a Massachusetts CO from 1982 to 1998. Dawe co-founded the Massachusetts Correctional Officers Federated Union where he served on the statewide Executive Board for nine years, and served as Grievance Coordinator, Executive Secretary and Vice President. He can be reached at ACOIN1@aol.com
    (more)
  • Blueskies 2011/11/29 02:41:44
    All of the above
    Blueskies
    +2
    This IS a police state.
    A sort of Empire, with a ruling class, instead of Emperor.
    We're a fullblown fascist country, by any definition, ans have been since the mid 70's
    if not earlier.

    Anyway, we have the largest per capita prison population in the world.
    I think Georgia leads the entire world, with the highest percentage of its population in prisons.

    And no, we are not a democracy. And yes, our economy is designed to keep in place, like hamsters on a wheel. the lower 60%.
    It is all a trick.
  • \V/ Blueskies 2011/11/30 05:33:28
    \V/
    Thanks! Great post!
  • HOMBRE 2011/11/26 15:33:40
    None of the above
    HOMBRE
    +1
    Im Kind of thinking since Obama has opened up trade over in Korea maybe we can help North Korea out by having them run our prison system.We can clean out the whole country. You itch our back we will itch yours. Ship the people in prison all overseas and let North Korea handle them.
  • \V/ HOMBRE 2011/11/26 22:10:02
    \V/
    +1
    That sounds like a great idea but only for you. I would definitely want you off the streets here and in Ponyang or in some North Korean shithole.
  • HOMBRE \V/ 2011/11/26 22:16:06
    HOMBRE
    +1
    Wow you hurt my little Etty bitty feelings. LOL
  • Darnel HOMBRE 2011/12/07 22:24:12
    Darnel
    Humor?
  • \V/ Darnel 2011/12/08 04:53:57
    \V/
    More of an itch
  • cheshirewayne 2011/11/25 16:55:27
    Yes, its the solution to crime and political dissidents
    cheshirewayne
    +1
    corporal punishment for small crimes. Two appeals then the hot seat for capital crimes. Better border contol, and illegals get a no appeals ticket home when caught.
  • \V/ cheshir... 2011/11/26 22:11:31
    \V/
    +1
    This is about private prisons. No illegals and not the border. Go F yourself. Thanks
  • HOMBRE \V/ 2011/11/26 22:19:41
    HOMBRE
    +1
    Anger issues lol what a dweeb
  • \V/ HOMBRE 2011/11/29 00:31:37
    \V/
    Yeah, thanks for noticing
  • Deep007 2011/11/25 03:38:59
    None of the above
    Deep007
    +2
    Privitize em...and bring back the death penalty...the bullet to the head one
    Get ER DONE
  • \V/ Deep007 2011/11/26 22:12:22
    \V/
    +1
    Thanks Dick, that was deep.
  • mg's haven~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2011/11/25 00:19:07
    Undecided
    mg's haven~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    The ideda they would have to earn their way back to being part of something and maing their prison a funcitonal entity has my attention. If they are there for acting foolish make them earn their way out HONESTLY. Their work ethic on their way out might be different than when they went in. Its 90% of why good people go bad They forget how to work together to make things work for all involved.
  • \V/ mg's ha... 2011/11/25 03:40:07
    \V/
    +1
    Yeah I know all about it. I was actually arrested two years ago in Colorados Jefferson Country for domestic violence: I sent an email to an estranged lover that I found her Library book and asked to her apologize for being a bitch.
    Two months earlier she had tried to have me arrested for extortion because she was afraid I would publish nude photos of her on the internet. I bailed out on the DV charge and they would not let me leave the state for six months because I was a flight risk. They eventually dropped the whole stupid waste of time after 6 months.
    I got amnesty from President Carter instead of five years in Leavenworth for being a draft dodger, and they wanted to give me 5 years to life in the 60's for selling two ounces of Marijuana. Right now I live next door to a dispensary that probably sells two ounces every two hours.
    I dont believe everyone that is in jail is guilty nor is everyone out of jail innocent of breaking some law every month of their lives.
    Therefore I think you are a load of cow manure.
  • mg's ha... \V/ 2011/11/25 06:45:12 (edited)
    mg's haven~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    You can call me what you want but I know more people are willing to pull their head out of their ass when they know their very live is in the mix I mean if the inmates themselves have to keep things going for themselves they are less likely to have your attitude while they are stuck in there. Its simple either people act like adults and quit trying to make it as if they are being slammed and they need to get with it and cut the crap they are more likey to work with the system instead of fighting in like you think you need to do. Oh and by the way putting her pics up like that is crap ..i cont care who or what she did that shows me how foul you can be and not someone i need to be around.
  • \V/ mg's ha... 2011/11/26 22:47:56
    \V/
    +1
    "Putting her pics up like that?" What the hell are you talking about? What pics?
    I never did anything with her pics. Your reading and comprehension skills are sadly lacking due to your low IQ
  • l8rthen 2011/11/24 19:05:06
    None of the above
    l8rthen
    +2
    If they can do it more efficiently than Big govt, why not?
  • \V/ l8rthen 2011/11/25 03:46:47
    \V/
    +1
    They can squeeze money and shake you down better than Al Capone.

    In your case it would also keep you off the streets way longer than your original sentence.
    In your case that would be a big plus.
  • l8rthen \V/ 2011/11/25 09:16:45
    l8rthen
    +2
    Sounds like U have some emotional issues and are desperately searching for attn even if neg. What are you, 12?
  • \V/ l8rthen 2011/11/26 22:48:51
    \V/
    +1
    You dont like it go play with yourself. Bye
  • rob ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮ 2011/11/24 16:50:34
    None of the above
    rob ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    no shape it up !!! we could let the military run the prisons
  • \V/ rob ☮ R... 2011/11/25 03:50:07
    \V/
    +1
    Ron Paul would privatize them, the national parks, schools, etc. The military would be outsourced to illegals and Pakistanis or someone who like mercenary work.
  • rob ☮ R... \V/ 2011/11/25 04:31:12
    rob ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    where did you get your smoke /
    is it radioactive rp12
  • Bowman 2011/11/24 15:41:59
    Undecided
    Bowman
    +2
    In Fresno, the county jail is not fully staffed. There are whole floors that are shut down and not used. There is no money in the city budget to keep law breakers detained. Meanwhile there are regional private facilities that sit nearly empty that have a better rate for transition back to society. i. e . job placement. We're throwing criminals back to the street. That's not good right? Don't presume that ALL private business is without scruples. There are good people out there trying to do good.
  • \V/ Bowman 2011/11/25 03:52:24
    \V/
    +1
    Crime wave or just more poor people caught shoplifting or maybe they get arrested for trespassing if their house gets foreclosed. Can criminals like that ever be rehabilitated?
  • Bowman \V/ 2011/11/27 23:04:51
    Bowman
    Maybe it's better we don't arrest them? Laws are for all of us to abide.
  • \V/ Bowman 2011/11/29 00:33:21
    \V/
    +1
    I know, I keep asking for this big theft to be investigated and no one does. Why?


  • Bowman \V/ 2011/11/30 03:42:35
    Bowman
    Who wants to take on Rumsfeld? 911 is off-limits for prosecution. That goes for everybody. I don't support the squashing of evidence, it's just a mammoth of an up-hill climb.
  • \V/ Bowman 2011/11/30 05:21:20
    \V/
    Did you notice you just contradicted yourself? Laws do not apply to the elite.

    Thanks for noticing
  • Bowman \V/ 2011/11/30 13:39:53
    Bowman
    Well there is the whole "death" thing. I'd rather not disappear.
  • Mordecai Jones 2011/11/24 14:50:46
    We are headed towards a police state
    Mordecai Jones
    +2
    Can they be sued for abuse?
    Yes, but in the same arena as any other corporation not as a government entity.

    Medical malpractice? Not unless they are a licensed medical practitioner. You might get to a civil suit related to other issues such as reckless disregard, contributory negligence,
    etc.

    Will they become factories? Yes.

    Provide very cheap farm labor? Yes

    Replace illegal immigrants doing farm labor? Yes

    Are you in favor of this? No

    Against? Yes.

    You should be aware that incarcerating citizens for victimless crimes is the fastest growing segment of the government-for-profit industry.. The private prisons are the necessary receptacle for the by-products of the business of harvesting money as a benefit of being part of the government class.
  • Deep007 Mordeca... 2011/11/25 03:41:07
    Deep007
    +1
    You should be aware that incarcerating citizens for victimless crimes is the fastest growing segment of the government-for-profit industry..
    Heeeheeeheee..
    Total BULL freaking LIES
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... 8 Next » Last »

See Votes by State

The map above displays the winning answer by region.

Living

2013/05/23 14:19:17

Hot Questions on SodaHead
More Hot Questions

More Community More Originals