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Should the internet be censored?

Tim Terror 2012/09/20 23:04:51
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  • iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~ 2012/09/25 14:19:12
    No
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    +1
    Of course, that depends on what you mean by censorship.
  • Tim Terror iamthem... 2012/09/25 14:21:03
    Tim Terror
    +1
    Hiding or deleting anything. Anything at all.
  • iamthem... Tim Terror 2012/09/25 16:24:31
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    +1
    Then yes, actually.

    There are many things that should be hidden or deleted...and things that we've historically done that with outside and within the internet.

    Child porn, for example. Legally defamation, for another.
  • Tim Terror iamthem... 2012/09/25 16:35:14
    Tim Terror
    +1
    However much I despise child pornography or violence censoring the subject matter doesn't solve anything. In fact more often than not it makes things worse. If you mystify something you often make it attractive to inquisitive people. If it's out there, they can see it and be disgusted by it. The thing that needs fixing is society itself.
  • iamthem... Tim Terror 2012/09/25 16:44:34
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    I absolutely disagree that censoring the subject matter, in terms of child pornography, doesn't solve anything.

    First, there are some things that we criminalize regardless of whether or not making them criminal actually prevents them. Murder, for example, isn't clearly deterred by the fact that it is illegal. Second, the subject of the content in the case of child porn is a minor, who cannot consent and has no control over the images, and can be emotionally harmed and placed even in physical danger based on the images being available. Third, allowing distribution and viewing of content means that it can be marketed and monetized, and without legal censorship child porn actually becomes profitable...which encourages it.

    Child porn is actually, also, evidence of another crime - molestation or statutory rape.

    With things like child porn, therefore, censorship isn't really (or shouldn't be) about content/subject matter...it is about actual real effects of the speech or harm that must be done in order to create the speech. This distinction is clear when we move to a discussion of "mock" child porn - where actors/actresses who are of age, or CGI effects, are used to simulate something that looks like it involves children. That, I argue, should NOT be criminalized or censored, and where it is that is a threat to free speech.
  • Tim Terror iamthem... 2012/09/25 17:00:05
    Tim Terror
    I think you're confusing censorship with legality! The child porn black market will be there, censorship or no censorship. Censorship will make it worse and more profitable for the marketeers because you've driven it underground and made it exclusively available through a black marketeer. Also the curious will buy it, people that probably wouldn't have because one look would have put them off. Prohibition never works. This has been proven time and time again through history.
  • iamthem... Tim Terror 2012/09/25 17:05:25
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    +1
    There's absolutely no way that it can be anything other than black market...because child porn again is visual evidence of sex crimes against minors.

    If the actual act or situation filmed is itself a crime, you really can't have anything but a black market because marketing and distributing such material is revealing yourself to be guilty of a crime. Even if you were to make child porn somehow "legal" it would be like making snuff films "legal" - you still can't make the material without committing other crimes.
  • Tim Terror iamthem... 2012/09/25 17:07:05
    Tim Terror
    Exactly! So how is censoring it on the internet going to solve that problem???
  • iamthem... Tim Terror 2012/09/25 17:12:21
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    Again, this is a situation where it doesn't matter if it solves the "problem." Some things are illegal regardless of whether the fact that they are illegal "prevents" the behavior. They're illegal simply because they're harmful and we agree as a society the perpetrators should be punished.

    Using murder as an example again, the fact that it's illegal doesn't "promote" murder by making it attractive because it's illegal.
  • EllЕ 2012/09/24 19:43:08 (edited)
    No
    EllЕ
    +1
    Internet is the only place were Political Correctness didn't destroyed Freedom of Speech, yet. For Americans. ))

  • Tim Terror EllЕ 2012/09/24 19:54:06
    Tim Terror
    +1
    Well said
  • The Laughing man 2012/09/22 06:30:11
    No
    The Laughing man
    +1
    to anyone interested please Google the virtual revolution series.
  • Solid Snake 2012/09/21 21:41:33
    No
    Solid Snake
    +1
    If the government ever sensors the internet I'm going to overthrow it.
    Solid Snake infiltrating
  • Beat Magnum True Hero 2012/09/21 18:30:38
    No
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    +2
    I know that the internet is a big and scary place with lots of dark corners, but censorship of something that big takes us down a road that we don't come back from.
  • rand 2012/09/21 17:24:57
    Yes
    rand
    +1
    Live films of killing people is an example of what should be banned. Total deregulation is a Libertarian fantasy.
  • ALofRI 2012/09/21 16:32:50
    No
    ALofRI
    But neither should it be used to spread hate and death! Given the two alternatives, I'd say something should be done! Freedom is not very practical if it results in the removal of the "freedom" that gives us the right to "life", Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, does it?? Or does it only count for those "survivors"! The biggest problem with "freedom", is those that abuse it! You can huff and puff FREEDOM all you want, that doesn't make it your own.
  • Cunning Stunts 2012/09/21 16:27:03
    No
    Cunning Stunts
    +1
    All these censorship laws passed and prothlesised =

    all your base are belong to us
  • hayesml47 2012/09/21 14:03:35
    No
    hayesml47
    +1
    If it is censored then it will no longer be the Internet!
  • Mr.Steve 2012/09/21 10:26:33
  • Rob Williams 2012/09/21 10:03:06
    No
    Rob Williams
    +1
    But it should be possible for responsible parents to deny access to certain areas that are inappropriate for their children.
  • D D 2012/09/21 09:52:43
    No
    D D
    +1
    No way!!
  • apaтнeтιc lycanтнrope 2012/09/21 08:22:05
    No
    apaтнeтιc lycanтнrope
    +1
    Nooope.
  • TheTruth1313 2012/09/21 06:30:52
    No
    TheTruth1313
    +1
    The first amendment: READ IT!!
  • 13_JunkyardDog 2012/09/21 05:49:28
    No
    13_JunkyardDog
    +1
    The Internet, for all its flaws, is possibly one of the most important innovations ever conceived. A FREE medium in which to exchange ideas, post results and bounce ideas and solutions off of each other. A perfect example: a remote control helicopter enthusiast starts an open forum about how to make quadrocopters. He posts all the parts, prices, design blueprints and data. He also allows others to view, post and download freely any thing uploaded onto the site. Soon others are trying his designs out an improving upon them and posting their results, then others try theirs and improve them and post them and so on and so forth. Within months these enthusiasts are with simple parts from radio shack and home depot making for less than $1000 what aerospace companies are developing for millions of dollars. Companies are driven by profits, enthusiasts are driven by awesomeness. (certain) Companies would censor the internet to save their profits and would suffocate the enthusiasts progress.
  • bcarrera 2012/09/21 04:49:50
    No
    bcarrera
    +1
    How am I suppose to look at bunnies?
  • MrsB 2012/09/21 03:12:52
    No
    MrsB
    +1
    Who gets to censor it? Why is it someone else's decision what you get to see on the internet?
  • BHGOzzy 2012/09/21 03:07:40
    No
    BHGOzzy
    +1
    "I write internet policy, I don't understand it!" -Mr Prick, from the To Boldly Flee movie
     To Boldly Flee Prick
  • Vision of Verve 2012/09/21 03:02:54
  • lucythetooth 2012/09/21 02:57:37
    No
    lucythetooth
  • Gregaj7 2012/09/21 02:52:11
  • ikeknight 2012/09/21 01:51:11
    Yes
    ikeknight
    +2
    For kids. Though I do see the problem with that. What gets censored and what doesn't.
  • NotTarg... ikeknight 2012/09/21 02:46:58 (edited)
  • ikeknight NotTarg... 2012/09/21 02:50:56
    ikeknight
    +2
    I do keep them off. But I can't stand over them all the time and would like a 2nd line of defense. I'm not lazy, just being proactive.
  • 13_Junk... ikeknight 2012/09/21 05:52:03 (edited)
    13_JunkyardDog
    +1
    its possible to set up parental controls. Though I admit, it requires the parent to be better at computers than the children. Its similar to a school computer, it has a smart website system that blocks out "bad" content and websites based off pre-established criteria. This sort of censorship is much different than gov't saying what i can and cant look at or read
  • EllЕ ikeknight 2012/09/24 19:49:32 (edited)
    EllЕ
    It's parents job to watch own kids, not government. (to treat everyone like a child)
  • Fran-Halen 2012/09/21 00:57:32
    No
    Fran-Halen
    +1
    What? Are we in______ ? ( Insert Country that censors the internet here).
  • Dryth 2012/09/21 00:39:24
  • Lord Emperor Kami Guro Bage... 2012/09/21 00:26:18
    No
    Lord Emperor Kami Guro Bagels Supreme Ruler of the Earth
  • unclepat 2012/09/20 23:57:03
    No
    unclepat
    +1
    no, No and HELL NAWW! lol
  • evangelism_vision 2012/09/20 23:50:44
    No
    evangelism_vision
    +2
    Never, It's called Free Speech, There are a lot of things on the Internet I don't like but I don't go there and that is a choice.

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