Should the Church still be carrying out Exorcisms?
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Michael=Constitution & Liberty 2012/05/04 01:55:35
All of that said I think it's up to an individual if they wish to get an abortion, if they use contraceptives, but the knowledge of these services should be made readily available to them and not censored out in a dictator fashion simply because a handful of people (or possibly more) have an issue with it. Don't judge what you don't know. Maybe a teenager is on contraception for medical reasons, or to clear up her skin. Maybe they're getting condoms because they want to know what it is and how they work for later in life. As far as a woman is put on this earth to breed, I'm a chronic asthmatic. The medications I have to take on a day to day basis would be fatal to a developing fetus, are you going to deny me my right to birth control, force me to go off my meds and be an incubator? I should have say over what happens to my body. I'm not going to live as a nun, but i...
All of that said I think it's up to an individual if they wish to get an abortion, if they use contraceptives, but the knowledge of these services should be made readily available to them and not censored out in a dictator fashion simply because a handful of people (or possibly more) have an issue with it. Don't judge what you don't know. Maybe a teenager is on contraception for medical reasons, or to clear up her skin. Maybe they're getting condoms because they want to know what it is and how they work for later in life. As far as a woman is put on this earth to breed, I'm a chronic asthmatic. The medications I have to take on a day to day basis would be fatal to a developing fetus, are you going to deny me my right to birth control, force me to go off my meds and be an incubator? I should have say over what happens to my body. I'm not going to live as a nun, but if an unplanned pregnancy happens I should have the right to chose if I want to take the risk in having the child or not.
Not that it's really any of your business but for additonal FYI, the safer medication combinations out there to control my asthma (which is mostly brought on by dust and pollen exposure even in small amounts, I'm deathly allergic) don't work. So it's literally risk my life or risk the baby's life. Are you going to sit there and be the morality police telling me that it's my duty as a woman to risk forfeiting my life for an unborn child when I have a sick relative whose dependent on me?
Laws, like the ones in Utah, which criminalize women for simply falling down the stairs while pregnant need to be abolished. While I understand protecting the rights of the unborn, when do the rights of the unborn over ride the rights of the adult carrying the unborn? For a developing body that may or may not survive to full term despite the best effort put forth by the mother? I was pregnant once, miscarried, despite trying my best to keep the child. In Utah now a days, from all I've heard, i'd be locked up and charged with murder for not discontinuing the medicatioin that I have to take so I can breathe. and you call Obama a dictator? I'm glad I'm not in Utah, that's all I can say about that.
The Nazis and Bolsheviks tried to destroy religion, kill priests and nuns. All under the guise that they were getting rid of old and superstitious organizations. The Nazis introduced euthansia, infanticide, and abortion to get rid of 'inferior' and politically incorrect people. The Bolsheviks were cruder and just starved and tortured tens of millions of Orthodox and Catholic Christians. This is dangerous and is a slippery slope to a culture of death. There is nothing modern about human sacrifice.
Go to Europe where the culture and people are dying, they have a negative growth rate among the people and a growing immigrant population of Muslims, Animists, and Atheists. They hate Christians in Europe too and are ashamed of their once great Christian cultures. The same cultures that today the entire world mimics and copies.
'Nuff said..
Far safer to force hospitals to adhere to their hippocratic oath to do no harm. If your personal religious beliefs interfer with the quality of care you give to a patient you should chose a different career path. Spoken as someone who is both spiritual and in health care herself.
I couldn't have an abortion myself, but I have disepsensed medication to patients knowing that they were going to use that medication to abort. I took an oath to do no harm and provide quality of care. I don't know why that patient is aborting, maybe it's because of a related health issue which would make it too dangerous, maybe it's because they can't financially afford it, maybe they just got news that they have a terminal illness and would rather put in energy trying to stay around for an older child rather than try to give that child a sibling. I don't know, and it isn't my job to judge. it's my job to serve the public and...
Far safer to force hospitals to adhere to their hippocratic oath to do no harm. If your personal religious beliefs interfer with the quality of care you give to a patient you should chose a different career path. Spoken as someone who is both spiritual and in health care herself.
I couldn't have an abortion myself, but I have disepsensed medication to patients knowing that they were going to use that medication to abort. I took an oath to do no harm and provide quality of care. I don't know why that patient is aborting, maybe it's because of a related health issue which would make it too dangerous, maybe it's because they can't financially afford it, maybe they just got news that they have a terminal illness and would rather put in energy trying to stay around for an older child rather than try to give that child a sibling. I don't know, and it isn't my job to judge. it's my job to serve the public and provide quality service without discrimination, without judgement, without guilt trips. That's what it means to be in health care.
Also, being respectful of other cultures does not mean that you are ashamed of your own.
The fact that you would compare Obama to a group which killed groups of people displays your view grows fully out of a biased view. You're upset because he's saying, "enough. You will respect women's rights. There will be a defined separation of Church and State."
I'm glad that a president finally had the courage to say that point blank, as said before, what really needs to be done is that new law in Utah which criminalises women for falling down the stairs while pregnant (accidentally included from the last article on the subject that I read) needs to be overturned. If I actually saw the rest of the US teaming against Utah for making such a law, then I could certainly see your view. However I was disgusted to see that a few states were considering following Utah's path. Stuff like that has to be prevented. That is full out discrimination against women, and it's currently allowed. The religious dictatorship in the US needs to be curved. This is coming from a Christian, btw. Baptised, gone to church since I was in diapers. doesn't matter. There needs to be a separation of church and government, and human rights need to be above religious rights. Religion, as you said, is voluntary, or it should be. More and more it seems they're attempting to remove the option of not following Christianity and force it onto other groups and non believers. It's their right to chose their own path.
Also, when Obama executes a priest or a nun, I'll be 100% behind shutting him down, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
"I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.
In purity and according to divine law will I carry out my life and my art."
Perhaps you should find another line of work.
Also, I'm not American. Our hippocratic oaths differ as well as the meaning.
From the University of Ottawa's website:
"Hippocrates, often referred to as the “Father of Medicine,” was an ancient Greek physician who is said to have lived according to outstanding moral values and ethical medical practice. Perhaps the greatest contribution made by Hippocrates to medicine is the Hippocratic Oath (7). For centuries, physicians recited this oath (either the original version or modifications) at convocation ceremonies and upon entering medical practice. Although the oath has been subject to much debate over the centuries, both in terms of its content and its author, it remains one of the most quoted documents in the history of medicine.
The Hippocratic Oath was an oath taken by physicians to protect all life, to hold in highest regard one’s teachers, to recognize one’s limitations, and to renounce self-interest in the treatment of patients. Certain values inherent in the Hippocratic Oath are echoed in modern views of professionalism. Such attributes continue to define modern expectations of physicians and medical students alike, Other views found in the Hippocratic Oath, such as those on abortion and surgical p...
Also, I'm not American. Our hippocratic oaths differ as well as the meaning.
From the University of Ottawa's website:
"Hippocrates, often referred to as the “Father of Medicine,” was an ancient Greek physician who is said to have lived according to outstanding moral values and ethical medical practice. Perhaps the greatest contribution made by Hippocrates to medicine is the Hippocratic Oath (7). For centuries, physicians recited this oath (either the original version or modifications) at convocation ceremonies and upon entering medical practice. Although the oath has been subject to much debate over the centuries, both in terms of its content and its author, it remains one of the most quoted documents in the history of medicine.
The Hippocratic Oath was an oath taken by physicians to protect all life, to hold in highest regard one’s teachers, to recognize one’s limitations, and to renounce self-interest in the treatment of patients. Certain values inherent in the Hippocratic Oath are echoed in modern views of professionalism. Such attributes continue to define modern expectations of physicians and medical students alike, Other views found in the Hippocratic Oath, such as those on abortion and surgical practice are not consistent with contemporary beliefs in modern Western secular societies. Given the complexity of medicine in the 21st century, an ancient oath cannot possibly encompass current values. Therefore, the significance of the Hippocratic Oath does not reside in its specific guidelines, but rather, in its symbolism of an ideal: the selfless dedication to the preservation of human life."
SELFLESS which means personal beliefs should not interfer with the care provided.
The basic jist of the oath used in my line of work in the health care field is simply this: I swear to do no harm. I swear to provide care to enhance longivity and quality of life.
The primary patient is the mother, the baby is secondary. That is universal in either Canada or the US. In Canada, legaly as it stands (and this part i don't agree with) a baby is not a baby until it draws its first breath. I believe the baby is not a viable human being until the 24th week of pregnancy. Before this time there is no medical intervention that could preserve the average fetus' life outside of the womb as the lungs are too severely underdeveloped to permit appropriate gas exchange, there for respiration is not possible. Ventolators would have no effect in countering this.
There for, from this view, American laws do discriminate against women.
So ya know, I'm not a doctor or a nurse. I grew up with true separation of Church and Government, and it's reflected in the care that I provide.
So now that's settled, let's get back to the original topic: Exorcism.
(Josephus, Flavius, The works of Flavius Josephus translated by William Whiston ; with an introductory essay by H. Stebbing, Philadelphia, 1966, pg. 374-375)
Also that translated quote is from a historian from the 1st Century. Again, as with the Hippocratic oath, doesn't apply to the 21st century's more modern living standard. Back in those days women were guaranteed to be cared for either by family or by their husband, there were forced weddings if a young man got a young girl pregnant.
These days it isn't uncommon to hear of a girl getting disowned and thrown into the streets for being pregnant. When laws are put in place to protect young girls from such treatment then we'll be in a better position to deny them the right to abortion.
Ontop of that, what sort of laws are in place in the US to prevent the father of the child from walking out and skipping out on child support? Will the court during custody battles, freeze the father's account if he refuses to pay child support? Will they automatically withdraw the support payments from each paycheck? The young mothers I know of around here don't have to worry about these things, my cousins in the states do.
In Hebrew, each letter possesses a numerical value. Gematria is the calculation of the numerical equivalence of letters, words, or phrases, and, on that basis, gaining, insight into interrelation of different concepts and exploring the interrelationship between words and ideas.
The assumption behind this technique is that numerical equivalence is not coincidental. Since the world was created through God's "speech," each letter represents a different creative force. Thus, the numerical equivalence of two words reveals an internal connection between the creative potentials of each one. (Tanya, Sha'ar HaYichud VeHaEmunah)
There are four basic ways to calculate the numerical equivalent for each individual letter: Absolute Value,Ordinal Value,Reduced Value,Integral Reduced value
The Tikunei Zohar explains that the concept of reduced value is related to the spiritual world of Yetzirah. On that basis, a relationship can be established between these four forms of calculation, the four spiritual realms, and the four letters of God's name.
This was done in modern Europe and Great Britain in the 1960's. A horrible tragedy based on ignorance and modern medicine.
They should've denied her request as soon as she stopped medicating and forced her to continue with medications that would have saved her life. So yes the church was responsible for her death.
you're using medications that were misguidedly used to treat severe morning sickness and comparing it to anticonvulsants proven to treat the conditons they're prescribed for. One has nothing to do with the other. Morning sickness anti emetics are in a category all of their own because you're dealing with one patient you can fully see and one you can only see through technnology assistance. Whole different ball game.
My answer, probably not... but it will continue of course. Maybe behind closed doors.
Let's look at these exorcisms as palliatives and appreciate their psychological value to the victims and their families.
Since I was a singer and fascinated with Science and Psychology...I would have to put myself in a "happy place" to survive all the trauma and guilt. I ended up studying theology and Cult Religions for fun, just to fight fire with fire. The psychology of religios faith is fascinating!!! Kinda like a Heroin high.
My main problem with basic Christianity was the vast number of people who have been murdered or imprisoned in the name of God.
I am Spiritual ... But this organized new stuff?...is for the birds. And as I said earlier, quite frightening.
Today we have psychotropic drugs, lithium, anti-convulsives, and anti-depressants. To think that Jesus exorcised an epileptic in the Bible when today we would control these siezures with phenobarbital or some such other common drug.
Now we've got Evangelical preachers saying they will Exorcise your child if you THINK they have a "demon" in them. (probably just ADHD)
I waited after the service for the "hand shaking" line and asked him if he was scared of child abuse for trying to exorcize a "demon" out of a child. He looked at me, smiled, and said "God Bless you child".
He was fired 3 weeks later for not taking his meds...see, he was Bi-polar. His final Sunday....he stood at the podium, didn't say anything for about 10 min. Rubbed his head, then said..."Are you ready for the Rapture?". Then walked off the floor. (oopsie). THAT'S the time they noticed there was a problem...not all the others.
He had been counseling children.
Boogie men do exist....sometime under the guise of God.