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Should society should consider having a period AFTER birth in which the parents of an infant would have rights to have an infant humanely euthanized if it were suffering from one or more severe disabilities or deformities?

mandy may 2012/06/24 22:04:15
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A slowly increasing group of people, like Professor Peter Singer, the Ira W. DeCamp Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University, are not only pro-abortion but, Singer has argued that society should consider having a period AFTER birth where parents of a severely deformed or disabled infant could decide to end its life. No one thinks twice when it comes to putting an animal out of its misery in under any circumstance. Many of which could easily be considered much more cognitively aware then a newborn infant. So the question is, Is it immoral to consider taking the life of a newborn infant to prevent its life being lived in misery?
And in my opinion it is not. If there is no chance at a fair life or the chance of ever being able to sustain their own life without constant care, why would it be so wrong to prevent all the pain and struggle before it happens?hmmm
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  • ray 2012/06/25 11:04:07
    No.
    ray
    This type of primitive thinking was supposed to be left in the past . Shall we leave all infants outdoors for a while to be certain they are good spartans ? Criminals killed and placed on stakes along the roads leading to the cities ?
    The devaluing of human life to that of foods and animals ?
    These " Bioethics " professors must have studied under Joseph Mengeles.
  • mandy may ray 2012/06/26 01:36:30
    mandy may
    I dont remember suggesting such things.
  • Dagon 2012/06/25 02:48:30
  • Wayne 2012/06/25 02:12:20
    Yes.
    Wayne
    +1
    Please don't think I'm a monster for saying so, but something about letting another living thing live out its whole life in agony and misery sounds wrong...and I think every living being, human or no human, is equal...
  • Muskoka Wayne 2012/06/25 03:44:41
    Muskoka
    +1
    I agree. All life is not worth living, quality is much more important than quantity.
  • mandy may Wayne 2012/06/25 23:48:01
    mandy may
    Thanks for understanding the argument, as so many have either not read or cant comprehend what im saying here. Its not just a loophole to rid yourself of an unwanted child like everyone is reacting....but very sick suffering beings of ANY species should not have to suffer if there is a way to stop it, especially if its before a human cant even fathom existing but they can feel pain.
  • Fran-Halen 2012/06/25 01:30:37
    No.
    Fran-Halen
    Eugenics.....tsk, tsk.
  • lm1b2 2012/06/25 00:16:50
    No.
    lm1b2
    +1
    Not unless you want to go back to the days of Nazi Germany,then what concentration camps for the disabled?
  • Bingo's Faddah 2012/06/24 23:42:47
    No.
    Bingo's Faddah
    +1
    I understand your refusal to be inconvenienced by "extra" work. Your use of English at age 28 explains everything. Shame on you.

    Yeah; we know you copied and pasted the part that makes sense.
  • Mark In Irvine 2012/06/24 22:45:48
    No.
    Mark In Irvine
    +2
    who decides what qualifies a person for euthanasia ? inconvenience to the parents?
  • mandy may Mark In... 2012/06/24 22:52:37
    mandy may
    +2
    thats absurd. I am not implying to kill off perfectly healthy babies because theyre unwanted. C'mon.
  • Mark In... mandy may 2012/06/24 22:57:06
    Mark In Irvine
    we know a family with a downs kid (he's now somewhere older than 18) ... i'm sure he's brought many challenges into his family, but his parents raised him like the other kids they had ... and he was involved in scouts, has a job now, and lives with other people who need help surviving ... his life is surely not what his parents hoped for when he was born, but his life now prob is what his parents want for him, given his circumstances ... abortion is a very difficult issue ... euthanasia is difficult too ... i think end-of-life choices are valid as long as the person whose life is in issue is the ONE who makes the final decision, so long as it is a reasoned decision and not one made out of despair.
  • Ken Mark In... 2012/06/24 22:54:39 (edited)
    Ken
    +4
    It's obviously more than just inconvinence. It's overall quality of Life for everyone involved. It really only seems like the religious get in a tissy over this concept. Living organisms live and die. Stopping a life of pain, struggle and suffering seems to be a good option if it is obviously going to live such a life. People act as if it takes soooo much to just make another one.
  • Mark In... Ken 2012/06/24 22:58:23
    Mark In Irvine
    i don't think the question is as simple as "making another one"
  • Ken Mark In... 2012/06/24 22:58:55
    Ken
    +1
    Why isn't it?
  • Mark In... Ken 2012/06/24 23:01:49
    Mark In Irvine
    +1
    should someone have the right to end your life because s/he thinks the quality of your life isn't what it should be ... and should the fact that it is easy (for someone) to make another baby enter into the consideration? i think not.
  • Ken Mark In... 2012/06/24 23:09:29
    Ken
    +3
    This reply is rediculous. Obviously there is a difference between someone who has lived years and years of life and a fetus or newborn whom has had no life expirence AND if it were would live a very sub-optimal life.
  • Willski 2012/06/24 22:34:34
    Yes.
    Willski
    Post natal abortion, has its' appeals.
  • Mark In... Willski 2012/06/24 22:59:01
    Mark In Irvine
    +1
    i can think of some bosses i've had whom i'd recommend for a post-natal abortion ...
  • Willski Mark In... 2012/06/24 23:08:50
    Willski
    i think when you get to a certain point (e.g. legally adult) it's just murder, but yeah. great uses.
  • S.E.L. 2012/06/24 22:32:27
  • Mark In... S.E.L. 2012/06/24 22:44:04
    Mark In Irvine
    beautiful!! thank you for sharing!
  • Ellister 2012/06/24 22:24:01
    Yes.
    Ellister
    +1
    It's all individual perception of the situation. At this rate it's not a matter of playing god because there are so many diverse beliefs to which god exists.
    It will be a tough battle to approve, but i do believe that if both parents give consent for whatever medical reason conflicts them then it should be a choice they are able to make.
  • The Elitist Libtard SodaJerk 2012/06/24 22:15:17
    No.
    The Elitist Libtard SodaJerk
    +1
    If that were the case Jack Kevorkian was wrongfully imprisoned.
  • Muskoka The Eli... 2012/06/25 03:47:46
    Muskoka
    And he was. He was aquited 23 times.
  • The Eli... Muskoka 2012/06/25 21:26:54
    The Elitist Libtard SodaJerk
    He spent 8 years in prison though.
  • Muskoka The Eli... 2012/06/26 01:52:22
    Muskoka
    +1
    Only because he refused to have a lawyer.
  • The Eli... Muskoka 2012/06/26 03:09:31
    The Elitist Libtard SodaJerk
    I never said he wasn't F-ing crazy.
  • Muskoka The Eli... 2012/06/26 04:50:00
    Muskoka
    He was completely sane and that was not what we were discussing either.
  • Scream 2012/06/24 22:12:32
    Im really not sure.
    Scream
    If people are against euthanasia for sick adults, then this is never going to happen.
    I'm mixed. I would agree with euthanasia only if the baby is dying and in incredible pain. But I'm against it because killing someone like that not only needs to have the consent of the patient themselves, it also should be incited by that person. A baby can't do either of those things.
    ...So I guess I should've picked no.
  • ScottyG - Faqueue 2012/06/24 22:09:00
    No.
    ScottyG - Faqueue
    +1
    Not ever! I hope it never comes to this. All life is precious. You don't get to select the cream of the crop or play God.
  • mandy may ScottyG... 2012/06/24 22:16:58
    mandy may
    +1
    Say that somewhere along in a pregnancy something damages the developing nervous system or causes it to develop abnormaly and you end up with a baby who is conpletely braindead and will be bound to a wheelchair their whole life. Is this life precious? To whom? Because that person is most certainly not going to live a fufilling life if they are even aware that they are living.
  • ScottyG... mandy may 2012/06/24 22:20:33
    ScottyG - Faqueue
    +1
    Then go ahead and commit your murder. I won't. ALL life is precious. How do you know it's brain dead? So many babies are misdiagnosed and end up just fine.

    What difference does it make at what age. If your mother was in a car accident and was suddenly brain dead, who you kill her?
  • Ellister ScottyG... 2012/06/24 22:29:38
    Ellister
    +1
    If all of life is precious then why are so many plants, animals and insects killed for profit, consumption or pleasure? Fully functioning life organisms are being killed every day by humans. So you can think blindly to reality, sir, but if you open your eyes a little i hope that you can come to the understanding of how each individual lives their lives and that although you consider it murder, one may consider it a better opportunity not made for this realm.
  • Ellister Ellister 2012/06/24 22:31:40
    Ellister
    +4
    Thankfully my mother and i converse about situations such as these and have both made a handwritten agreement to euthanize when necessary.
  • ScottyG... Ellister 2012/06/25 15:33:20
    ScottyG - Faqueue
    +1
    So for you killing a human is of no consequence. Are you on a watch list? You should be.
  • mandy may ScottyG... 2012/06/24 22:49:56 (edited)
    mandy may
    +1
    I dont consider it murder any more then I considered having to put my kitty to sleep after years of suffering with an un treatable seizure disorder to the point of complete pain and dysfunction. It hurt me deeply to make that decision but I knew I couldnt keep him alive out of selfishness anymore, And just to clarify I am not talking about a cleft lip or hemangioma here Im talking serious things like anencephaly Where you're born with large parts of your brain missing, Im talking mostly about severe neurological mishaps, If youre born with one leg, so what. If youre born with fused legs, ok. If youre born without the ability to effing think. No way man!
  • mandy may mandy may 2012/06/24 22:50:42
    mandy may
    brain missing*
  • Muskoka mandy may 2012/06/25 03:49:59
    Muskoka
    yup
  • ScottyG... mandy may 2012/06/25 15:34:51
    ScottyG - Faqueue
    That's your opinion. I have a different one and that's why this site exists.

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