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Should our citizens be allowed to serve in The United States Military without a high school diploma?

First Sergeant 2007/07/28 03:54:45
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  • Clarky 2008/01/25 15:35:22
    Yes
    Clarky
    +3
    There are many men and women out there who need a sense of direction. If they dropped out of school for one reason or another and want to find that direction in the military, I see no problem with letting them serve. A program should be set up for them to complete their GED during their off time, this will give them more of a sense of accomplishment and most likely a different view on their patriotism. The armed forces are always saying the are having a hard time meeting their recruiting goals so this could be one way to boost the numbers.

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  • Gunner 2012/04/28 14:16:59
    Yes
    Gunner
    Provided they can pass the written tests and are otherwise as qualified as high school gruaduates.
  • splmcken57 2011/03/14 17:04:44
    Yes
    splmcken57
    Yes it worked for me - It can work for anyone as long as they take advantage of their opportunities - I quit school after 10th grade. Went into the Army - Got my GED while TDY in Germany ( the wall was still standing and we were there to help guard our side of it). After the Army I went to college and got a computer science degree. I didn't like high school and needed to get out and see the world. I realized what I wanted to do with my life, 27 years later I'm still working in the computer industry for one of the largest consulting companies in the world.
  • Anon19 2010/02/12 18:45:04
    No
    Anon19
    No. We should not 'dumb-down' our forces for the sake of the rest of the nation's ideological policies and 'hurt feelings' syndromes. I'm still proud to be in the military so far, let's not spread any "change we can believe in" on it too.
  • . 2009/03/21 02:49:54
    Yes
    .
    +1
    I worked with many that had no diploma or GED but did obtain one later on, I never had a problem with any of them. Some actually were smarter than graduates I knew.

    Lets be honest, some are still pushed through school and given a diploma because the school needed them out. I know when I went to high school in the 70's it was like that.

    I know of some that obtained scholarships for playing ball in high school but academics was a bad subject for them and they struggled once they went to college, some didn't make it at all.
  • mike 2009/03/03 16:37:07
    Yes
    mike
    I served with many who did their jobs well....There should be an aptitude test given to anyone who wishes to join the service though...back before my first enlistment it was called an ASVAB test (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery)....It covered all areas including reasoning and problem solving....back then they knew there were quality candidates for the service who made low scores in school or had no diploma. But, the more the need for new recruits causes a lowering of standards, for the have to get them somehow before a draft takes place.
  • spiritualwarrior 2008/11/17 15:13:50
    Yes
    spiritualwarrior
    well 1st sgt i would have to agree with you i had a GED but i scored 109 on the asvab . I think our military need the very best it can get when it comes to its soldiers . I've had the opportunity to work with several drop outs during my 18 years of service and spent a lot longer training them to get them up to speed in several areas , when that time could be used in other training areas , not to mention the use of other NCO'S who had too take part of there valuable time to help these soldiers, also when the lives of your team , squad or platoon depends on every link , the weakest links will cost lives which is the most important thing as an NCO
    SSG T
  • Jessie spiritu... 2009/06/17 17:57:00
    Jessie
    the highest asvab score you can get is 99
    and there isn't any sort of extra credit you can do.
  • ppdcfl 2008/11/14 05:57:00
    Yes
    ppdcfl
    Yes, I had a GED, But I still had to score a 50 on the asvab, On the other hand I had to be on Parris Island 5 days later, because GED's were only allowd in May, A low enlistment month
  • clearshadow 2008/11/12 03:52:07
    No
    clearshadow
    Al least get a GED, then you could join......we should strive to get people to push themselves to improve......we need to stop babying everyone......if you are born in the US you already have an advantage over most of the world......there are hundreds of millions of people that wish they were born here, but many take that for granted.......you need to earn your shot at the military!
  • RetSarg 2008/10/27 22:25:25
    No
    RetSarg
    We tried that before and the additional schooling affected those people in training for their career fields.
  • TinCanSailor 2008/10/21 14:42:17
    Yes
    TinCanSailor
    Yes, if they qualify in all other areas and show good citizenship. This is a chance for the millitary to help them out of a bad situation, give them self confidence and help them continue their education.
  • BenTwig 2008/09/19 02:30:58
    Yes
    BenTwig
    As several others have stated here my answer is based upon how it should be and not on how it is. War time considerations for this should be followed up with a GED equivalent program during peacetime.
  • deleted 2008/09/15 18:48:03
    Yes
    deleted
    We have members in our armed forces who are not even American Citizens why should Americans not be allowed to join.....SSG B
  • mustangs87 2008/07/26 15:04:35 (edited)
    Yes
    mustangs87
    Many brave men and women served or serve in the military without one. They have earned the respect of there peers and the persons who they lead. Let us not forget that it takes all different kinds pof persons to serve in the military and make it work as a well tune instrument. I served during the Gulf War and have seen and heard many unbelieveable stories that happened there. The price of freedom in not free, but must be paid in blood of our heros to keep it free.
  • Rover 2008/07/07 17:33:29
    No
    Rover
    +1
    Think all these guys had diplomas?

    A tale of 6 boys by James Bradley





    by James Bradley

    Each year I am hired to go to Washington, DC, with the eighth grade class from Clinton, WI. where I grew up, to videotape their trip. I greatly enjoy visiting our nation's capitol, and each year I take some special memories back with me. This fall's trip was especially memorable.

    On the last night of our trip, we stopped at the Iwo Jima memorial. This memorial is the largest bronze statue in the world and depicts one of the most famous photographs in history -- that of the six brave soldiers raising the American Flag at the top of a rocky hill on the island of Iwo Jima, Japan, during WW II.

    Over one hundred students and chaperones piled off the buses and headed towards the memorial. I noticed a solitary figure at the base of the statue, and as I got closer he asked, "Where are you guys from?"

    I told him that we were from Wisconsin. "Hey, I'm a cheese head, too! Come gather around, Cheese heads, and I will tell you a story."

    (James Bradley just happened to be in Washington, DC, to speak at the memorial the following day. He was there that night to say good night to his dad, who has since passed away. He was just about to leave when he saw the buses pull up. I videotaped him as he ...



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    Think all these guys had diplomas?

    A tale of 6 boys by James Bradley

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    by James Bradley

    Each year I am hired to go to Washington, DC, with the eighth grade class from Clinton, WI. where I grew up, to videotape their trip. I greatly enjoy visiting our nation's capitol, and each year I take some special memories back with me. This fall's trip was especially memorable.

    On the last night of our trip, we stopped at the Iwo Jima memorial. This memorial is the largest bronze statue in the world and depicts one of the most famous photographs in history -- that of the six brave soldiers raising the American Flag at the top of a rocky hill on the island of Iwo Jima, Japan, during WW II.

    Over one hundred students and chaperones piled off the buses and headed towards the memorial. I noticed a solitary figure at the base of the statue, and as I got closer he asked, "Where are you guys from?"

    I told him that we were from Wisconsin. "Hey, I'm a cheese head, too! Come gather around, Cheese heads, and I will tell you a story."

    (James Bradley just happened to be in Washington, DC, to speak at the memorial the following day. He was there that night to say good night to his dad, who has since passed away. He was just about to leave when he saw the buses pull up. I videotaped him as he spoke to us, and received his permission to share what he said from my videotape. It is one thing to tour the incredible monuments filled with history in Washington, D.C., but it is quite another to get the kind of insight we received that night.)

    When all had gathered around, he reverently began to speak. (Here are his words that night.)

    "My name is James Bradley and I'm from Antigo, Wisconsin. My dad is on that statue, and I just wrote a book called "Flags of Our Fathers" which is #5 on the New York Times Best Seller list right now. It is the story of the six boys you see behind me.

    "Six boys raised the flag. The first guy putting the pole in the ground is Harlon Block. Harlon was an all-state football player. He enlisted in the Marine Corps with all the senior members of his football team. They were off to play another type of game. A game called "War." But it didn't turn out to be a game.

    Harlon, at the age of 21, died with his intestines in his hands. I don't say that to gross you out, I say that because there are people who stand in front of this statue and talk about the glory of war. You guys need to know that most of the boys in Iwo Jima were 17, 18, and 19 years old.

    (He pointed to the statue) "You see this next guy? That's Rene Gagnon from New Hampshire. If you took Rene's helmet off at the moment this photo was taken and looked in the webbing of that helmet, you would find a photograph... a photograph of his girlfriend. Rene put that in there for protection because he was scared. He was 18 years old. Boys won the battle of Iwo Jima. Boys. Not old men.

    "The next guy here, the third guy in this tableau, was Sergeant Mike Strank. Mike is my hero. He was the hero of all these guys. They called him the "old man" because he was so old. He was already 24. When Mike would motivate his boys in training camp, he didn't say, 'Let's go kill some Japanese' or 'Let's die for our country.' He knew he was talking to little boys. Instead he would say, 'You do what I say, and I'll get you home to your mothers.'

    "The last guy on this side of the statue is Ira Hayes, a Pima Indian from Arizona. Ira Hayes walked off Iwo Jima. He went into the White House with my dad. President Truman told him, 'You're a hero.' He told reporters, 'How can I feel like a hero when 250 of my buddies hit the island with me and only 27 of us walked off alive?' So you take your class at school, 250 of you spending a year together having fun, doing everything together. Then all 250 of you hit the beach, but only 27 of your classmates walk off alive. That was Ira Hayes. He had images of horror in his mind. Ira Hayes died dead drunk, face down at the age of 32 .. ten years after this picture was taken.

    "The next guy, going around the statue, is Franklin Sousley from Hilltop, Kentucky. A fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. His best friend, who is now 70, told me, 'Yeah, you know, we took two cows up on the porch of the Hilltop General Store. Then we strung wire across the stairs so the cows couldn't get down. Then we fed them Epsom salts. Those cows crapped all night. Yes, he was a fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. Franklin died on Iwo Jima at the age of 19. When the telegram came to tell his mother that he was dead, it went to the Hilltop General Store. A barefoot boy ran that telegram up to his mother's farm. The neighbors could hear her scream all night and into the morning. The neighbors lived a quarter of a mile away.

    "The next guy, as we continue to go around the statue, is my dad, John Bradley from Antigo, Wisconsin, where I was raised. My dad lived until 1994, but he would never give interviews. When Walter Cronkite's producers, or the New York Times would call, we were trained as little kids to say, 'No, I'm sorry, sir, my dad's not here. He is in Canada fishing. No, there is no phone there, sir. No, we don't know when he is coming back.' My dad never fished or even went to Canada. Usually, he was sitting there right at the table eating his Campbell's soup. But we had to tell the press that he was out fishing. He didn't want to talk to the press.

    "You see, my dad didn't see himself as a hero. Everyone thinks these guys are heroes, 'cause they are in a photo and on a monument. My dad knew better. He was a medic. John Bradley from Wisconsin was a caregiver. In Iwo Jima he probably held over 200 boys as they died. And when boys died in Iwo Jima, they writhed and screamed in pain.

    "When I was a little boy, my third grade teacher told me that my dad was a hero. When I went home and told my dad that, he looked at me and said, 'I want you always to remember that the heroes of Iwo Jima are the guys who did not come back. Did NOT come back.'"

    "So that's the story about six nice young boys. Three died on Iwo Jima, and three came back as national heroes. Overall, 7,000 boys died on Iwo Jima in the worst battle in the history of the Marine Corps. My voice is giving out, so I will end here. Thank you for your time."

    Suddenly, the monument wasn't just a big old piece of metal with a flag sticking out of the top. It came to life before our eyes with the heartfelt words of a son who did indeed have a father who was a hero. Maybe not a hero for the reasons most people would believe, but a hero nonetheless.

    We need to remember that God created this vast and glorious world for us to live in, freely, but also at great sacrifice. Let us never forget from the Revolutionary War to the current War on Terrorism and all the wars in-between that sacrifice was made for our freedom. Remember to pray praises for this great country of ours and also pray for those still in murderous unrest around the world. STOP and thank God for being alive and being free at someone else's sacrifice.

    God Bless You and God Bless America.

    REMINDER: Everyday that you can wake up free, it's going to be a great day.
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  • harleyguy 2008/05/03 06:12:14
    No
    harleyguy
    we need people who won't quit. and a drop out has quit.
  • rnvtach 2008/02/06 13:26:05
    No
    rnvtach
    I remember at one time they did. This was back during the draft. I'm not 100% against it, I just hate to see it during war time, then require it during peace time.
  • Clarky 2008/01/25 15:35:22
    Yes
    Clarky
    +3
    There are many men and women out there who need a sense of direction. If they dropped out of school for one reason or another and want to find that direction in the military, I see no problem with letting them serve. A program should be set up for them to complete their GED during their off time, this will give them more of a sense of accomplishment and most likely a different view on their patriotism. The armed forces are always saying the are having a hard time meeting their recruiting goals so this could be one way to boost the numbers.
  • jules Clarky 2008/04/07 15:24:57
    jules
    +2
    You tell em' Clarky!
  • Mike Clarky 2008/07/16 03:48:16
    Mike
    +2
    Hey clarky, I received my GED in the Army, had to have it in order to make E-6 back then. Like I said, I sorely needed that second chance, had it not been there I most likely would have went on with no self esteem, alot of anger at everything and hurting people I really didn't want to hurt. Give them the chance.
  • jules 2008/01/23 19:59:51
    Yes
    jules
    +2
    of course. who are we to judge someone wanting to better themselves and take pride in serving their country? shame on people for finding a reason to turn someone away when they are volenteering to possibly die for their country and it's people's freedom.
  • Timmaaaaaay 2007/12/15 07:24:03
    No
    Timmaaaaaay
    +2
    No, I think that having our professional military improves Americas image in the world. High school is the smallest achievement made which can still be considered professional.
  • ducdodger 2007/10/29 17:48:18
    Yes
    ducdodger
    +2
    I think as long as they are able to get a GED they should be good. I served with guys who had college degrees of all levels some of them didn't have a drop of common sense. I used to have a Plt Sgt who dropped out of high school so he could get into the army during Vietnam. I would of followed him to hell and back
  • Mike 2007/10/23 04:19:17
    Yes
    Mike
    +3
    Back in 67 as a young man I was on the road to no-where, trouble and jail. After buning all my bridges and no where to turn, I joined the army at the ripe age of 18, five months later I was in Viet Nam. It was the absolute best thing that could have happen to me, it gave me a second chance. Thank goodness I had that option to join and get my life back on track. So, I wonder, how many young men and women today, who are in the same situation as I was back then, are looking for that second chance and the door is closed.
  • Clarky Mike 2008/01/25 15:37:44
    Clarky
    +1
    I am with you all the way Mike. Thanks for doing your part by serving. Semper Fi
  • Beks 2007/09/15 19:11:35
    No
    Beks
    +2
    At least a minimal education is important before you send someone out on the field. They should at least have the mental capacity to know what they're getting into, and to become an asset to the team. I wouldn't want a man next to my husband in the field that was uneducated (at minimally). I consider that a great liability to my loved ones.
  • CATHY 2007/07/29 22:50:06
    Yes
    CATHY
    +2
    YES BY ALL MEANS,BUT THEY SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO QUIT SCHOOL JUST TO JOIN THE SERVICE.CATHY

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