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Should military moms breast-feed in uniform, in public?

kyle 2012/05/30 23:22:12
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  • fairiefang -annoying fashio... 2012/05/30 23:29:31
    yes
    fairiefang -annoying fashion snobs everywhere-
    +4
    They are fighting for our freedom. Why shouldn't they have the freedom to feed their children?
    Yes, in uniform and in public. It's not like they are doing something wrong or offensive.

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  • JD 2012/08/23 18:26:18
  • Brosia 2012/06/26 03:21:44
    yes
    Brosia
    +1
    So long as you cannot see the nipple, or it is blocked by the baby, why is anyone having an issue with that?
  • Lone Wolf 2012/06/14 09:43:37
    yes
    Lone Wolf
    +1
    They should make a top that can allow them to do so. It would promote the breast feeding movement in the right direction. Hell, I got an idea that puts female’s milk next to the cow milk in the store. But with mom's milk there is a much better health benefit. But there would be a few mothers milk that wouldn't make it that far. I would have only there healthy mother's milk up. The females that can produce milk but are sick in some way there milk would go to research with a bit of the healthy female’s milk. There is a lot more to this idea that would bring the human race to a health state and more open to other things and Ideas. 757 637 5518 to know more or chat back on this.
  • wolf sloan 2012/05/31 19:10:19
    no
    wolf sloan
    They shouldn't, but no big deal if they do
  • Flowers 2012/05/31 16:44:52
    yes
    Flowers
    +2
    Why not? What does being in uniform have to do with it exactly?
  • Otaku Link 2012/05/31 16:23:35
    yes
    Otaku Link
    +1
    In response to anyone saying AR 670-1 prohibits it, I would like to know exactly where. I just did a search of the Rapid Action Revision (RAR) Issue Date: 11 May 2012 edition of AR 670-1. Results: "breastfeeding" no results; "breast" every result either correlated with a "breast pocket", or single/ double breasted suits.
  • bob Otaku Link 2012/06/17 10:03:35
    bob
    That's a problem with trying to use a civilian search engine to search a Military regulation.

    First of all, it's unfortunate that someone referenced Army regulations when discussing an Air Force issue. (The individuals in the picture are members of the Washington Air National Guard.) But I looked at AR 670-1 anyway. It didn't take long to find a couple of pertinent entries.

    Part One
    General Information and Responsibilities

    1–9. Uniform appearance and fit
    a. Appearance.
    (1) All personnel will maintain a high standard of dress and appearance. Uniforms will fit properly; trousers, pants,
    or skirts should not fit tightly; and personnel must keep uniforms clean and serviceable and press them as necessary.
    Soldiers must project a military image that leaves no doubt that they live by a common military standard and are
    responsible to military order and discipline. Soldiers will ensure that articles carried in pockets do not protrude from
    the pocket or present a bulky appearance.

    (3) While in uniform, personnel will not place their hands in their pockets, except momentarily to place or retrieve
    objects. Soldiers will keep uniforms buttoned, zipped, and snapped.

    j. Wearing Army uniforms is prohibited in the following situations:
    (1) In connection with the furtherance of any political or commerci...























    That's a problem with trying to use a civilian search engine to search a Military regulation.

    First of all, it's unfortunate that someone referenced Army regulations when discussing an Air Force issue. (The individuals in the picture are members of the Washington Air National Guard.) But I looked at AR 670-1 anyway. It didn't take long to find a couple of pertinent entries.

    Part One
    General Information and Responsibilities

    1–9. Uniform appearance and fit
    a. Appearance.
    (1) All personnel will maintain a high standard of dress and appearance. Uniforms will fit properly; trousers, pants,
    or skirts should not fit tightly; and personnel must keep uniforms clean and serviceable and press them as necessary.
    Soldiers must project a military image that leaves no doubt that they live by a common military standard and are
    responsible to military order and discipline. Soldiers will ensure that articles carried in pockets do not protrude from
    the pocket or present a bulky appearance.

    (3) While in uniform, personnel will not place their hands in their pockets, except momentarily to place or retrieve
    objects. Soldiers will keep uniforms buttoned, zipped, and snapped.

    j. Wearing Army uniforms is prohibited in the following situations:
    (1) In connection with the furtherance of any political or commercial interests, or when engaged in off-duty civilian
    employment.
    (2) When participating in public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies, or public demonstrations, except
    as authorized by competent authority.

    I know, I know... It doesn't specify any standard for 'breast feeding', but the principles are there.
    "...articles carried in pockets do not protrude or present a bulky appearance..."
    Nursing babies are obviously not carried "in pockets" but they are just as obviously protruding and appear bulky.

    "Soldiers will keep uniforms buttoned, zipped, and snapped."
    That application to the pictures in question is obvious.

    "Wearing uniforms is prohibited... When participating in public speeches, interviews..."
    Posing, in uniform, for a picture that will be used in a brochure is a form of public speech and is prohibited.


    I copied and pasted more of the pertinent paragraphs than was necessary just to maintain the perspective of where they come from. And be aware, AR 670-1 is more than 330 pages long, single space, small print.

    Elsewhere in blogosphere, I came across a statement from the Washington Air National Guard:

    "The two members of the Air National Guard who appeared in the controversial photo, Terran Echegoyen-McCabe and Christina Luna have been reprimanded because the photo "violated a policy that forbids military members from using the uniform to further a cause, promote a product or imply an endorsement," the Air Force Times reported.

    "The uniform was misused. That's against regulations," Captain Keith Kosik, a spokesman for the Washington National Guard, told the Air Force Times. "I want to be very, very clear about this. Our issue is not, nor has it ever been, about breastfeeding. It has to do with honoring the uniform and making sure it's not misused. I can't wear my uniform to a political rally, to try to sell you something or push an ideology. That was our point of contention."

    And as regards military decorum and protocol, that has always been the point. It's not about breastfeeding, it's about maintaining a Military appearance. And the Military gets to decide what that will look like, not us.
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  • Icarus 2012/05/31 11:13:39
    yes
    Icarus
    +2
    Sure, why not? If babies need feeding then you do it. Pretty simple...
  • NicoleBabi 2012/05/31 04:13:21
    yes
    NicoleBabi
    +1
    y not i mean if their kids are hungry then whatever i mean there are other women who breast-feed in public but you dont see anyone complaining y start now all because these women are in our military.
  • Shawna 2012/05/31 03:52:54
    yes
    Shawna
    +3
    They fight for freedom, they should enjoy such freedom.
  • Sew 2012/05/31 00:33:31
    no
    Sew
    It violates AR 670-1.
  • Kat 2012/05/31 00:29:55
    yes
    Kat
    +3
    Absolutely! No reason they should not. Be proud!
  • jaydenvdv 2012/05/31 00:13:24
    yes
    jaydenvdv
    +2
    If they didn't it would seem kinda odd. They fight for our american rights, they have the right more than most to express those rights where ever they see fit!
  • Bob, the reasonable one 2012/05/30 23:39:43
    no
    Bob, the reasonable one
    it doesn't look professional by any standard...most of the people who answer Yes, just don't understand the purpose of the military...feed your kids in a discrete manner...the woman on the right has the right idea...the woman with twins, not even close to the right idea....sheez!!!
  • XXrawwwrXX Bob, th... 2012/05/30 23:49:45
    XXrawwwrXX
    +2
    it doesnt have to look professional. at that moment she is a mother feeding her child. the woman with the twins has no way to cover up other than to put a blanket over the babies heads, which might not be available at that point.
  • Sew XXrawwwrXX 2012/05/31 00:31:58 (edited)
    Sew
    +1
    The Army has uniform regulations. They're in AR-670-1. A professional appearance is apart of the standard. The same reason I cna't have my hair past a certain length or touching my ears or collar, or any other number of things. If a women doesn't like it I suggest she find a different profession.
  • XXrawwwrXX Sew 2012/05/31 00:54:43
    XXrawwwrXX
    from yahoo:
    "While there is no policy that addresses breastfeeding in uniform, Air Force spokesperson Captain Rose Richeson told MSNBC: "Airmen should be mindful of their dress and appearance and present a professional image at all times while in uniform." Military moms who are still breastfeeding are encouraged to pump and bottle-feed their babies while they're in uniform."
    they are encouraged, not forced. some babies refuse to use bottles.
  • Sew XXrawwwrXX 2012/05/31 01:00:20
    Sew
    +1
    Airforce. AR= Army Regulation. Army and Airforce different branches. Army has different standards. One being "professional appearance" meaning at the discertion of their leader. I see it as unprofessional. I'm a leader. I won't allow it. Just as I would not allow a male soldier to walk around with his pants sagging or without a shirt on. It's not necessary for you to feed your child in public in uniform. Infact why it is that you're in uniform with you child feeding it is also a mystery. If you are not on duty you should not be in uniform and if your on duty your child should be at home with your spouse or in child care services. The military does not pay you to be a parent and thats not why you signed the contract.
  • XXrawwwrXX Sew 2012/05/31 01:06:47
    XXrawwwrXX
    if your on break and your child is screaming for food while your in uniform, you dont take the time to completely change. you feed your child. you cant just not feed your child because your in uniform, that, sir, is child abuse.
  • Sew XXrawwwrXX 2012/05/31 01:22:54
    Sew
    +1
    Again why would you be on break in public with your child while in uniform? If you're at work your child does not need to be with you. And I never said I wouldn't allow them to breast feed in uniform if it was done in a more private setting. A park bench is not a private setting.
  • Bob, th... Sew 2012/05/31 02:31:50
    Bob, the reasonable one
    wow, perfect response...I didn't have to add a thing except for praise on your responses!!! Kudos!!!
  • XXrawwwrXX Sew 2012/05/31 20:42:50
    XXrawwwrXX
    i know many people that their family brings the child with them to meet for lunch. i agree that not everything should be all out there, but if they're doing it in a more discret manner, i dont see anything wrong with it.
  • Sew XXrawwwrXX 2012/05/31 23:15:12
    Sew
    +1
    So if the child survives away from it's mother's teat that would stand to reason that it doesn't refuse the bottle right? So again no need to do it in a public setting. So even if you are going to lunch to meet up with your baby you wouldn't have a need. Personally I don't care if mothers breast feed in anyother attire but the military has standards and these are for many reasons largely to do with appearance and across the board equality.
  • Bob, th... Sew 2012/05/31 02:30:25
    Bob, the reasonable one
    exactly
  • Bob, th... XXrawwwrXX 2012/05/31 02:30:11
    Bob, the reasonable one
    you haven't served have you?
  • XXrawwwrXX Bob, th... 2012/05/31 20:43:34
    XXrawwwrXX
    no, i know i wouldnt be able to leave my children for that long of a period. and risk them losing their mother.
  • Mallory Bob, th... 2012/08/17 17:06:39
    Mallory
    So a bottle would look more professional?
  • Bob, th... Mallory 2012/08/17 19:56:44
    Bob, the reasonable one
    well if they are enlisted and in the navy....the only way to expose a breast is to take the whole blouse off.....that wouldn't be professional would it? Do you know what the term "professional" actually means? When I was in the Navy we had women that pumped their breasts and stored their milk in the fridge along with everybody's snacks and sodas..the crew didn't care less....She had her kid at the child development center during working hours and always made sure she had a supply of breast milk for her kid...
  • flyingseaturtle BN 2012/05/30 23:35:58
    yes
    flyingseaturtle BN
    +2
    I don't see why not.
  • Vision of Verve 2012/05/30 23:30:01
  • XXrawwwrXX Vision ... 2012/05/30 23:46:25
    XXrawwwrXX
    and the babies who refuse a bottle?
  • Kat Vision ... 2012/05/31 00:32:06
    Kat
    some will not take a bottle and bottles can be inconvenient.
  • Flowers Vision ... 2012/05/31 16:48:16 (edited)
    Flowers
    +1
    It's common courtesy for people to not cuss and spit in public. Doesnt stop people from doing it (just saying)
  • Mallory Vision ... 2012/08/17 17:03:33
    Mallory
    It serves the same purpose?
  • Mallory Vision ... 2012/08/17 17:05:01
    Mallory
    Courtesy to a complete stranger who should mind their own business when your baby is hungry? Yeah right. Not all babies like bottles. Not all mother use formula. I didn't.
  • fairiefang -annoying fashio... 2012/05/30 23:29:31
    yes
    fairiefang -annoying fashion snobs everywhere-
    +4
    They are fighting for our freedom. Why shouldn't they have the freedom to feed their children?
    Yes, in uniform and in public. It's not like they are doing something wrong or offensive.
  • XXrawwwrXX 2012/05/30 23:26:53
    yes
    XXrawwwrXX
    +3
    why not? a baby has to eat
  • Kashee 2012/05/30 23:25:38 (edited)
    yes
    Kashee
    +3
    it should not matter. Infants need to eat. Just be discreet. Neither of those women are being discreet. They make clothing that makes it really easy to nurse in public without baring your breast to everyone or just use a little over on the exposed part.
  • swimmingswan 2012/05/30 23:24:04
    yes
    swimmingswan
    +2
    IF THE NEED BE IT MUST BE DONE

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