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Should all prisons in the USA be privatized?

\V/ 2011/12/13 01:39:29
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I wrote a futuristic novel titled, "Birth of an Angel", that is about my arrest many years ago for sale of hashish (two ounces). Before making bail, my girlfriend was killed in an auto accident.
I began writing it as a way of dealing with my pain and sorrow at never seeing her again. However, after a year long series of court hearings and trial, I ended up spending $10,000 and got a hung jury. Rather than spending any more money, I fled to South America. Several years later I was captured by US drug agents and extradited back to the USA. I ran into a friend in a holding cell and told him what had happened. His opinion was that certain "conservative" elements wanted to privatize the US prison system. That way, they could not only make lots of money, but eventually they could make it so that certain prisoners could be used as sex slaves. That was in 1975.

This is the reality today:
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Dungeons for dollars

The Bureau of Justice Statistics reports
that there are more than 98,900 inmates in private prisons in America
today. About 5.6 percent of state inmates and 13.7 percent of federal
inmates are now making the ‘Dungeons for Dollars’ crowd rich.

Forget
about public safety – according to one study, inmates escape ‘secure’
private prisons at a rate that is 41 times higher than public
facilities. (one escape per every 310 inmates in private prisons
compared to one per every 12,500 inmates in the public sector.) Forget
about staff and inmate safety - inmate-on-inmate assaults are 66 percent
higher, and assaults on staff are 49 percent higher in private prisons.
Forget about the importance of experience and excellence in law
enforcement – private ‘guards’ receive 35 percent fewer pre-service
training hours and have an astonishing 53 percent annual turnover rate
of security staff.

They are also not Peace Officers. They are
private ‘guards’ who never swear an oath to protect the public, as their
allegiance is to the corporation.

Forget about saving the
taxpayers money – nearly every study conducted that was not paid for in
part or in whole by the private prison industry itself shows no or
little cost savings. Also, every academic study done on economic
development shows that rather than private prisons in your community
providing an economic boon, the hidden costs and designation as a
“prison town” is an economic boondoggle. Private prisons are about one
thing and one thing only – making money for the corporation.

Public
correction professionals are judged by the safety of their prisons and
the impact they have on the community. Private CEOs are judged by one
thing - profit. Private prison operators don’t want fewer inmates; they
want more.

They do not want alternative sentencing, probation or
parole; they want warm bodies in their cells for as long as possible.
(Some of them have been caught holding inmates past their release dates
to make more per diems.) They do not want recidivism rates to go down;
they want them to go up. They don’t care if there is increased violence
in their prisons; they don’t live or work there.

More violence
can also mean more profit. Violence brings with it new charges against
the inmates, additional sentences, and loss of good time, which all
result in more time behind the walls and, of course, for the
corporations - more profit. Private prisons are notorious for
understaffing and under training their employees. That allows them to
keep costs down, while at the same time the violence increases.

When
a new public facility opens, the majority of officers are seasoned
professionals who transfer in. Conversely, private prisons often boast
to elected local officials that 95 percent of the employees they hire
will be right from their community. That means that 95 percent of the
men and women working in those facilities will have NO correctional
experience.

The wages they pay generally range from $8.25 to
$10.00 an hour. Many times the biggest job responsibility that private
prison guards had prior to working in a correctional facility was to be
sure to ask, “Do you want fries with that?” The only pros in a private
prison are the cons.

The privateers don’t like to offer programs
to promote rehabilitation, although they will when pressed. Programs
cost money and may increase the likelihood that inmates might actually
make it on the outside and not come back, and that’s not good for the
bottom line.

They do not want to hire and retain good help. If
they did, they wouldn’t pay $8.25 - $10.00 an hour, offer few, if any,
benefits, and they wouldn’t have a 53 percent annual turnover rate of
security personnel either.

They do not want to be involved with
local law enforcement. It costs money in the form of manpower to
interact with the police. Indeed when there is an escape or riot, the
privateers routinely call the home office and not local law enforcement
when it happens. Their first concern is the bad PR they will get, and
not the safety of the community.

The three biggest private prison
companies, Corrections Corporation of America, Wackenhut/GEO and
Cornell operate 207 facilities and have more than 141,500 available beds
between them. All three are publicly held corporations. They must
answer to their shareholders and not to the citizens of this country, as
we in the public sector must do.

Fortunately, the number of
state inmates housed in private prisons over the last five years has
decreased by 1.3 percent. Unfortunately, however, under President Bush’s
administration the number of federal inmates in private prisons has
increased by an astonishing 60 percent during that same period.

Much of their growth can be linked to campaign contributions. Once again it’s all about the money.

Should
we privatize the police or the military? How about DEA, Immigration
officers, the Boarder patrol, the CIA, FBI or the ATF? Of course not,
and we shouldn’t privatize corrections either.

Street police may
catch the criminals, but it is professional correctional officers who
must keep them away from the public. The safety of our communities
should never be for sale.
-------------------------------------------------------------...

Brian Dawe is co-founder of the
American Correctional Officer Intelligence Network. He also is a
founding member of Corrections USA and served as their Executive
Director until August, 2006. He has been in corrections for more than 24
years, and served as a Massachusetts CO from 1982 to 1998. Dawe
co-founded the Massachusetts Correctional Officers Federated Union where
he served on the statewide Executive Board for nine years, and served
as Grievance Coordinator, Executive Secretary and Vice President. He can
be reached at ACOIN1@aol.com
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  • Jasmine 2011/12/17 04:49:17 (edited)
    None of the above
    Jasmine
    +5
    Not only NO, but HELL no. Hopefully many saw the fiasco in Pennsylvania where two judges were convicted for incarcerating juveniles in prison-for-profit institutions where they had financial conflicts of interest. I have to honestly shake my head at that one. It is almost unbelievable. Absolutely disgusting.



    pennsylvania judges convicted juvenile

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  • Paul 2012/06/07 04:48:52
    Anything that saves taxpayer dollars
    Paul
    Send them all to China, contract out prisins in China, pay the Cineese some minimal amount to guard them in prisons in China, and just leave them there
  • Guru_T_Firefly 2012/06/07 04:16:19
    None of the above
    Guru_T_Firefly
    +1
    Not just no, but hell no.
  • TheR 2012/06/07 01:08:24 (edited)
    None of the above
    TheR
    +1
    There should be ZERO spending for Private Prisons. That money should be used to pay College and Higher Education. Prisons should only be operated by the Public Domain. And that means Judges should be elected instead of Appointed. I would also advocate that Prisoners should have the right for Trial Renewal. That is Trials or sentences are never final, but new evidence is allowed when found according the circumstances of time.



    And in order to stop the high rate of Prison expansionism in the USA, they need to do something about the Drug Laws. This is how I would Win The War on Drugs.



    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • \V/ TheR 2012/06/07 01:14:36
  • TheR \V/ 2012/06/07 12:54:02 (edited)
    TheR
    Excuse me. There is nothing in your comment window.
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  • \V/ TheR 2012/06/07 23:09:17
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    I posted a video about kids for cash from Youtube. I guess it did not load for you. Try updating your flash.
  • Picasso's Cat 2012/06/07 00:24:28
    None of the above
    Picasso's Cat
    Prison is a tough life, no one will argue that logic.
    But being in prison in the United States is not as tough as most other nations.
    Matter of fact most other prison inmates in foreign countries wish they could serve their time in a United States prison.
    And why is that???
    Because it's mostly tolerable time compared to anywhere else in the world.
    Alot of foreign prison inmates have to have their families pay for food for the inmate or they starve to death.
    Yes, your friend is quite right, there is money to be made in a private prison, through bad care to inmates, to sex slaves, to organ transplants being taken from inmates without them knowing about it, by their accidental deaths.
    But the one thing privatizing prisons would do is lower the crime rate, because once people know the new hell they would face in a private prison, they may not want to commit the crime.
    That's what i think anyway, an only time will tell if it's not a deterrent to crime. (if it happens).
    Because once the stories leak out of prison into the population, I'm betting many will not want to go to prison under any circumstances.
    I know myself if faced with that situation would rather die in a fightout with police than go into that system and become a blowjob slave to other disgusting inmates.
    But that's just my opinion.
  • sjalan 2012/05/10 07:10:43
    None of the above
    sjalan
    An area of about 40 square miles should be set aside as a "city of sacturary" ALL persons sentenced to jail throughout the US would be sent there. Drop them in the middle of the prison. Supply them with water and clothing . No guards, no monitoring, nothing except attempt to escape is a death sentence.

    The are given a release date. When they reach the release date they show up for release at processing center in the centeral core building. EVERYTHING else they must grow or raise. Everyone would need to be a part of survival. NO ONE gets a free pass.
  • \V/ sjalan 2012/05/10 07:49:56 (edited)
    \V/
    +1
    What would you do in such a place?
    I think you may have seen Hunger games too many times.
    I prefer trying to find out what each prisoners problem is and try to help them, educate them and give them the tools they need to better themselves if they show a willingness to do so.
    In my futuristic novel, I foresee that there are those that are so violent and so beyond rehabilitation, that they are exiled from the planet to their own private little hell hole.

    Ron Paul would love my idea! Privatize hell!
  • sjalan \V/ 2012/05/10 07:56:26
    sjalan
    No I was thinking more like Escape from New York.
  • \V/ sjalan 2012/05/10 07:58:48
    \V/
    +1
    Take a cab.
  • strange_armour 2012/05/09 19:35:23
    None of the above
    strange_armour
    +1
    Privatisation will make prisons a business, a business that depends on crime to maintain its existence. This would inevitably mean more people being convicted for lesser crimes or more people being convicted for made-up charges by corrupt police who either enjoy making innocent peoples' lives a misery or they get financial incentive to frame them.
    Many officers already routinely carry a bag of weed or coke etc which they later "find" when they pull vehicles over.

    This WILL happen a lot more often if prisons are privatised.


    thx1138
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/05/09 01:39:49
    Stop the military prison industrial complex
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +2
    private prison private prison private prison private prison
    oh HELL NO
  • \V/ ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/09 04:31:57
    \V/
    +1
    Beyond awesome!

    You are an awesome guy to have as a friend! Thanks!



    Who is awesome
  • Heyow:) 2012/05/08 21:20:25
    None of the above
    Heyow:)
    ummm pass not sure
  • \V/ Heyow:) 2012/05/09 00:03:05
  • VERYwiseguy 2012/05/08 21:01:33
    Stop the military prison industrial complex
    VERYwiseguy
  • \V/ VERYwis... 2012/05/09 00:04:49
    \V/
    +1
    Totally awesome my friend. Kudos!
  • VERYwis... \V/ 2012/05/09 10:16:42
    VERYwiseguy
    +1
    And in another county near me another county jail is owned and was built by the good ole' boys.The judge his wife bro. in law lawyers general cronies,friends and relatives.I could tell you some stories of the corruption for the almighty dollar.Remember PA started prisons from the Quakers,penitentiary is derived from the word penance and initially you remained silent and just prayed for your sins.Now the Quakers called The Society Of Friends is against prisons and help inmates obtain housing,training and schooling etc...When they're released because they've saw how it's become a big business under the guise of corrections.I literally spoke directly into our former governors ear(his good one) wears an aid.About the corruption in that county near me and their maximum sentences and fines for petty offenses etc...It houses around 600 inmates when it opened it had only 5 prisoners maybe 50 corrections officers,not cost effective.So they busted people for everything and anything to fill it.But to no avail because it's very rural and laid back and has very little crime.So then they started farming in INS people on contract for $$ Some that served 10-40 yrs. at Rikers Island in NYC these were literal men without countries that finished their sentences.Terrorist,murderers... etc...Shari...

    And in another county near me another county jail is owned and was built by the good ole' boys.The judge his wife bro. in law lawyers general cronies,friends and relatives.I could tell you some stories of the corruption for the almighty dollar.Remember PA started prisons from the Quakers,penitentiary is derived from the word penance and initially you remained silent and just prayed for your sins.Now the Quakers called The Society Of Friends is against prisons and help inmates obtain housing,training and schooling etc...When they're released because they've saw how it's become a big business under the guise of corrections.I literally spoke directly into our former governors ear(his good one) wears an aid.About the corruption in that county near me and their maximum sentences and fines for petty offenses etc...It houses around 600 inmates when it opened it had only 5 prisoners maybe 50 corrections officers,not cost effective.So they busted people for everything and anything to fill it.But to no avail because it's very rural and laid back and has very little crime.So then they started farming in INS people on contract for $$ Some that served 10-40 yrs. at Rikers Island in NYC these were literal men without countries that finished their sentences.Terrorist,murderers... etc...Sharing cells with a redneck that shoplifted,these people had nothing to lose by killing or raping you.My friend lived in this County all his life and even though his dad was the head of the first aid he wasn't a good ole' boy one of the judges friends and his son got over 2 yrs. for drunk and disorderly and a dui.I wrote the local paper to expose the corruption but was told by phone by law they're had to be an opposing view point in a letter to the editor and I couldn't name names.It was nearly impossible to do so to get my point across.However a bank screwed me out of $90 their fault I wrote to the editor and basically narrowed down the bank by giving landmarks etc...It was published and my $90 was back in my account the next day.The pen is mightier than the sword.So here's the Gov. former head of homeland security and this movie reminds me how this county is and is
    operated since building their slave labor camp prison for profit.
    tom ridge
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  • Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~ 2012/05/08 20:25:22
    Stop the military prison industrial complex
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    +2
    No. It's a horror show in which certain business people have a vested interest in maintaining and/or growing the prison population. They don't give a double dipped damn about the rate of recidivism; in fact, the higher it is, the better for them.

    Trafficking in human misery is wrong in all ways. There's not one thing right about it.
  • \V/ Ali ~ I... 2012/05/09 00:04:13
    \V/
    +1
    Absoluetly! Thanks for standing up for whats right.
  • Ali ~ I... \V/ 2012/05/09 00:18:51
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    You're welcome. Thanks for doing this poll - people don't know.
  • Tom Degan 2012/05/08 18:43:19
    Stop the military prison industrial complex
    Tom Degan
    +4
    The privatization of the American prison system is a mind-numbingly STUPID idea.

    Read on....

    http://tomdegan.blogspot.com/...

    Tom Degan

    TOM DEGAN
  • Roblem BN-0 2012/01/04 20:51:13
    None of the above
    Roblem BN-0
    +2
    No way... and there should not even be one prison that is privatized. It is just way too easy for corruption and greed to flourish. Inmates for profit is far to insidious an industry and the only mf's who would want this for our society would be greedy, selfish pigs (and not meant as a slight against law enforcement)
  • seattleman 2011/12/17 20:42:25
    None of the above
    seattleman
    +1
    My answer is a big NO. NO WAY!! Jasmine has it exactly right (below). I can't put it any better than Jasmine already has, so I won't try.
  • tecknotron BN-0 RP2012 2011/12/17 05:43:42
    All of the above
    tecknotron BN-0 RP2012
    I don't know. I heard public prison guard unions were horrible too. Gary Johnson who was governor of New Mexico has been a big proponent of cannabis legalization but privatized many of his states prisons based off of the premise that they wouldn't be worse than the public union interests.
  • tecknot... tecknot... 2011/12/17 05:48:46
    tecknotron BN-0 RP2012
    On the powerful California prison guard union http://kalwnews.org/audio/201...
  • Whyputa... tecknot... 2012/05/08 23:52:09
    Whyputaname
    +1
    cannabis legalization

    What prey tell does that have to do with privatizing prisons?????......
  • \V/ Whyputa... 2012/05/10 07:56:50
  • Jasmine 2011/12/17 04:49:17 (edited)
    None of the above
    Jasmine
    +5
    Not only NO, but HELL no. Hopefully many saw the fiasco in Pennsylvania where two judges were convicted for incarcerating juveniles in prison-for-profit institutions where they had financial conflicts of interest. I have to honestly shake my head at that one. It is almost unbelievable. Absolutely disgusting.



    pennsylvania judges convicted juvenile

    http://citizensvoice.com/lupa...
  • \V/ Jasmine 2011/12/17 20:44:55
    \V/
    +2
    Awesome! Thanks!
  • Lana 2011/12/14 15:08:22
    Stop the military prison industrial complex
    Lana
    +2
    I have one in my county and it is the closet thing to HELL ! This goes for the guilty as well as the NOT guilty. This nothing but a gravy train for everyone from the dam judges, warden, constables and DJ's etc.
    We could out source the whole system and get a much better effect, LOL

    Most people on SH don't give a damn till it happens to someone in their families. ! What dumb idiots we have on SH !
  • Steve 2011/12/13 14:01:11
    Make 'em work and harvest their organs!
    Steve
    +1
    Voted with sarcasm.
  • \V/ Steve 2011/12/13 16:14:52
    \V/
    +3
    I love sarcasm. It almost as good as orgasm, but not quite


    sarcasm
  • Jrogers 2011/12/13 09:35:10
    Stop the military prison industrial complex
    Jrogers
    Very soon - all prisons will be privately owned
  • \V/ Jrogers 2011/12/13 16:15:57
    \V/
    and you know this, how?
  • Jrogers \V/ 2011/12/15 03:36:22
    Jrogers
    +1
    I read about it very recently - there is big money in privatizing prisons and there are people who will definitely capitalize on it. Can't remember where I read it - but I do believe there is money in them there walls and there are those that will take advantage of it - I think I may have even saw a documentary on television - may be why they are not making a move to legalize marijuana - big bucks in busting people who smoke a little weed
  • \V/ Jrogers 2011/12/17 20:32:17
    \V/
    +2
    I've been saying that since I found out about it in the 70's. Thats what my book is about. Birth of an angel
  • Jrogers \V/ 2011/12/21 15:09:23
    Jrogers
    You are a published author - I am impressed - I will have to look for the book.
  • Ali ~ I... Jrogers 2012/05/08 20:37:39
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    +1
    Not only is there big money but ALEC ( http://alecexposed.org/wiki/A... ) has long interested itself in the private prison scam.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2...

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