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Should Addicts be paid to be sterilized?

Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru 2012/05/04 20:31:40
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s overcast in Possilpark,
one of the most deprived areas of Glasgow. Outside the pound shops and
bookmakers on the high street, Barbara Harris, founder of US charity Project Prevention,
is giving out flyers. She hands one to James, a wiry man in his 20s.
"I'm from a nonprofit organisation," she tells him. "If you know any
drug addicts or alcoholics who could get pregnant, we will pay them £200
to be on long-term birth control."

"I'm a drug addict!" James declares. "You'd give me £200? But I'm a guy…"

"You can have a vasectomy," Harris replies, quick as a flash.

His eyes widen. "Two hundred pounds! You don't get the money today, though, do you?"

"No, you don't get the money until after. Do you know any women who are pregnant and using drugs around here?"

"There
are hundreds of women like that around here." He gestures up the road.
"Go to the health centre – that's where you'll see them." Harris leaves
James studying the flyer. He's grinning, incredulous.

She asks to
leave flyers at the NHS health centre reception, but the manager is out,
so she's told she'll have to come back. She sticks a few in the
railings outside, and props four or five in the soil of a nearby
flowerbed. The flyers are hand-cut, on yellow card. There's a photo of a
tiny newborn covered in tubes above the slogan, "Every baby deserves a
sober start."

Harris doesn't think addicts should have children,
and her charity is using cash incentives to make sure they don't. In
the 12 years since Project Prevention launched in the US, she has paid
1,307 people $300 to be sterilised, and given money to many more in
exchange for long-term contraception. In total, Harris has bought the
fertility of more than 3,000 Americans with drug and alcohol problems – only 47 of them men. Now she's turning her attention to Britain.

"To
me, it's about preventing child abuse," she says. "This is legal child
abuse." Babies are being born in withdrawal, underweight, with serious
medical problems, she says, and if they survive, they are destined to a
bleak future. "What's the quality of life they're going to have? How
many problems are they going to have? The cycle will keep repeating
itself. But it's preventable. It's just common sense to me."

It
isn't common sense to everyone, though. It feels profoundly unsettling
to be walking around one of Britain's poorest districts with a woman
who's promising people serious money in exchange for their fertility. As
we leave the health centre, I think about how Harris's website says her
mission is "to reduce the number of substance-exposed births to zero".
If she managed to achieve that goal here, a lot of people in Possilpark
wouldn't be able to have children.

In the US, Project Prevention
has been compared to the Nazis' eugenics programme, but Harris isn't
bothered by her critics. "They are willing to call me Hitler, but what
are they doing to help? Are they willing to adopt any of these children
that they think should continue to be born? If they're not part of the
solution, they're part of the problem. Everybody talks about the right
of the woman – what about the rights of the children? They are the
victims."

Addicts who decide to take advantage of Harris's offer
call the project's hotline and leave their details. They are sent
paperwork to take to their doctor, who must verify their drug or alcohol
problem. Once they have been sterilised or had a long-term
contraceptive fitted, the doctor signs papers to confirm it. When
Project Prevention gets the papers back, the addicts get their money.
It's a lump sum for those who choose sterilisation; those who go for
less permanent birth control are paid in instalments, as long as they
can prove the contraceptive is still in place.

Read More: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jun/12/barb...

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  • ~Here Comes The Sun~ 2012/07/04 08:51:42
    No
    ~Here Comes The Sun~
    drug addicts should get no money what so ever! where i live, near Glasgow, Scotland, druggies get meth for free, alcoholics and people who cant be bothered to work whom are capable get money from the government. while children's hospitals, education, charities for people with learning/ physical disabilities, to get them a social life!! So that's a BIG no from me!! fs
  • Jose Hernandez 2012/05/07 20:48:29
    No
    Jose Hernandez
    +1
    Better yet, give them free euthanasia and reduce overpopulation! overpopulation overpopulation
  • ehrhornp 2012/05/07 02:00:28
    No
    ehrhornp
    knee jerk reaction
  • Jiorgia 2012/05/06 23:57:44
    Yes
    Jiorgia
    Give them the option but don't force it one anyone.
  • C.J. 2012/05/05 17:48:19
    No
    C.J.
    Why should addicts be paid to be sterilized? I mean come on use common sense all they will do is spend the money on what they are addicted to anyway.
  • Met 2012/05/05 08:58:56
    No
    Met
    +2
    Some of the most creative visionary people in history were drug addicts.

    Why would we want that taken out of the gene pool?

    Stupid people however, i'll donate to that charity.

    "The bad news is you failed the IQ test. The good news is you get $200 and a frozen bag of peas."
  • D D 2012/05/05 08:15:28
    Yes
    D D
    +1
    I am all for that 100%.
  • Pixie·Ÿ... D D 2012/05/05 14:02:53 (edited)
  • D D Pixie·Ÿ... 2012/05/06 02:10:49
    D D
    I'm sure there are higher numbers of babies born to addicts. Sorry.
  • Pixie·Ÿ... D D 2012/05/06 02:20:33
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +1
    So you are for letting peoples lives remain destroyed for babies that aren't even in the womb yet and wouldn't even have a chance of life?
  • D D Pixie·Ÿ... 2012/05/06 02:31:48
    D D
    It is not a sure bet that a woman will get off drugs due to pregnancy. Some do, and many go back to drugs leaving the kids neglected and they end up in the foster care system.
  • Pixie·Ÿ... D D 2012/05/06 02:36:50 (edited)
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +1
    Maybe we should make this mandatory for all poor people I mean they are more likely to have drugg addict kids and commit crimes... how about all black people too again crime. how about in order to have kids you have to rich and take tests making sure you are commite cause that would be fool proof right?
  • D D Pixie·Ÿ... 2012/05/06 04:07:00
    D D
    +1
    Ever see the movie Gattaca?
  • Pixie·Ÿ... D D 2012/05/06 13:28:26
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    exactly
  • Live Free Or Die 2012/05/05 05:23:15
    No
    Live Free Or Die
    +3
    A person willing to be sterilized for money might be making a rash decision, so I don't support it.
  • Kibelle 2012/05/05 03:57:49
    No
    Kibelle
    +2
    Those money could have gone to poor children already born and forsaken by their parents. What's the point of trying to sterilize drug addicts when there are chances they might get sober up and start their own family? You would rather they have no chance at all?
  • The River Rat 2012/05/05 03:02:37
    Yes
    The River Rat
    +1
    Everybody on welfare of any type should get the same offer.
  • Relay 2012/05/05 02:41:23
    No
    Relay
    +1
    okay say the sterilization was reversible ...what are the side effects that could happen to a future child?
    and if its not reversible? then maybe a person who does clean up there act cant have children all because of a bad decision they made while under the influences....
    BAD IDEA
    maybe harry should hand out birth control methods like a shot, for money every month.
  • Jack's Pearl 2012/05/05 02:25:09
    No
    Jack's Pearl
    +1
    Paying them doesn't make it any better or more moral. Plus, maybe the drugs will do it for us. LOL
  • Anthony Souls 2012/05/05 02:18:41 (edited)
    No
    Anthony Souls
    +3
    Sterilization is a dangerous operation on women, for one. And two, she is taking advantage/preying on a druggy's current lifestyle to deprive them of futures because of possible crimes that has yet to take place: aka Minority Report.

    Sterilization isn't something that can be easily reversed, and it's not a concrete method of sterilization. This is going into the realms of providing subjective reasons for sterilization that can bring us down a very slippery slope, indeed. She is creating far more problems than someone doing nothing to solve the problem: the problem is based on an individuals choice, and has to be enforced by committed crimes, not possible ones. What's next, sterilizing poor people because a child will grow up in poverty?



    Take care,
  • La 2012/05/05 01:23:22
    Yes
    La
    +4
    I don't really have a problem with what she's doing.
  • Anthony... La 2012/05/05 02:36:22
    Anthony Souls
    +1
    Obviously, it doesn't affect you: how about we sterilize everyone who isn't a millionaire? Would you start caring then? Take care,
  • La Anthony... 2012/05/06 12:33:21
    La
    "Take care"? Lol. Take your pretend manners and shove them.....
  • ~Here C... La 2012/07/04 08:58:37
    ~Here Comes The Sun~
    he's quite right!!!
  • Jacob 2012/05/05 00:00:54
    No
    Jacob
    +2
    No reason should be given.
  • KaylaE 2012/05/04 23:59:12
    Yes
    KaylaE
    +5
    I am torn on this because giving them money would just be supplying an addict basically But at the same time it would help prevent children being born prematurely and possibly having a lot of issues because of the drugs. The children could end up being neglected, abused, and/or end up using their self when they get older. So much could happen to a child with and addict parent(s) So I guess I lean more toward Yes then No
  • Pixie·Ÿ... KaylaE 2012/05/05 00:24:11
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +4
    Non addict parents could harm children too should we start paying non addicts to get sterlized? All this does is prey on poor drug addicts. I was a drug addict I got knocked up I quit and it has been damn near 7 years since I used. But had I been given this option while I was using I would have taken it then I never would have gotten pregnant and never would have gotten clean.
  • KaylaE Pixie·Ÿ... 2012/05/05 00:30:13
    KaylaE
    +3
    Poor drug addicts? Wow I'm really laughing at that statement! My father IS a crack head and has been my whole life. I haven't 1 clue what his phone number is half the time or even where he is at! I do not feel sorry for the addicts I feel sorry for the children involved! I am not dumb, I realize that non addict parents can do harm to their children as well I certainly never said that they couldn't. I also never said that ALL addicts would do something like harm their child But yes I do believe that an addict is more likely to. Congrats to you for getting clean but some people are not so lucky to get clean or even want to get clean.
  • Pixie·Ÿ... KaylaE 2012/05/05 00:36:27
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +2
    I under stand my kids dad is still out getting high. but preying on them is not the answer. All this does is take the chance of maybe getting clean out of their hands I can name about 10 people I know who got knocked up and got clean. had they not gotten knocked up they would not be clean right now. They too would have taken money and then not gotten pregnant then not gotten clean. How about next we offer black people cause they are more likely to poorly raise their kids to.. Next how about all poor people they are more likly to commit crimes and next next how about make it so only rich people have have kids. Once we start on a road like this it will not stop.
  • KaylaE Pixie·Ÿ... 2012/05/05 00:50:19
    KaylaE
    +1
    I see where your coming from. I was popping pills and getting high, off of marijuana, and only stopped when I found out I was pregnant And I never started back again with any of it but I still see where the woman who is doing all of this is coming from After having an addict for a father I know how it can be, being left at random houses for days, not knowing where your father is or if he is even dead, I mean I could go on but I just wont. Like I said b4 some people are able to get clean but some are not I am truly torn about this because I see a little bit both sides
  • Pixie·Ÿ... KaylaE 2012/05/05 00:53:35
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +3
    I used to think that people should have tot ake parenting classes and what not before they can get pregnant. I changed my mind quickly. I jsutthink that once we go down this route and it is optional next thing you know it will be mandatory and that is scary. I am sorry if I got kinda intense I am just kinda passionate about it.
  • KaylaE Pixie·Ÿ... 2012/05/05 00:58:07
    KaylaE
    +1
    That's okay I do understand where your coming from And I definitely agree with some of what you said
  • Pixie·Ÿ... KaylaE 2012/05/05 00:59:31
  • Jaroslav Dantes 2012/05/04 23:24:00 (edited)
    No
    Jaroslav Dantes
    +2
    Sterilized pregnant women are forbidden for us, because otherwise attempt another child may not bring. This form is a powerful work, only for the rehabilitation of the project for employment. In addition it can be determined only when the person is during pregnancy that does not affect life changes to improve and the child does not want to live in the side poverty and therefore it is better to consult a doctor, never profit organization. The doctor has a chance to organize another, to gain space and the temptation to patients related to social cases. There's always the way is another alternative.
  • rhstarr 2012/05/04 23:17:47
    Yes
    rhstarr
    Hell no!!! Why should they get paid to be sterilized just so they can go out and get high some more. I know babies born on crack is a bad thing. But I would rather see the money go toward something else.
  • *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T 2012/05/04 23:16:03
  • wtxwoman 2012/05/04 23:06:02
    Yes
    wtxwoman
    +1
    Yes, yes, yes! That would help a lot with the crack babies and other drug addicted children. Women who have kids like that should be neutered as a matter of course, and the men that got them that way. Or, we could just kill them. I have no problem with someone wanting to be a drug user or abuser, but they shouldn't bring children into the world.
  • Pixie·Ÿ... wtxwoman 2012/05/05 00:26:10
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    +3
    I was a drug addict I got pregnant and quit I gave birth to a clean and sober self and baby. I would have never had the reason to quit had I not gotten pregnant. Had this option been given to me I would have taken it then I never would have gotten clean and would probably still be using or dead.
  • wtxwoman Pixie·Ÿ... 2012/05/05 01:58:50
    wtxwoman
    +2
    There are always exceptions to the rule. Good for you, I applaud you, but you must know that you are a rare individual.
  • Pixie·Ÿ... wtxwoman 2012/05/05 13:29:29
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    I know about 10 other woman who got and stayed clean after getting pregnant. I know it is rare but my point was do we screw over some people for the sake of babies who are not even in the womb yet? Not to mention not born not ven in the womb.

    Thank you I am quite rare and awesome!

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