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Should a gym be allowed to ban gay families from using its pool?

Manuel 2012/07/04 03:07:27

A hot summer day, a swimming pool. A 2-year-old being told he can't go swimming because his dads are gay?


Will Trinkle
and Juan Granados say they applied for a family membership at the
Roanoke Athletic Club in Virginia, clearly listing themselves as
same-sex partners with a 2-year-old son, Oliver. Will says he was
encouraged to apply for a family plan by a club employee because only
children on family plan memberships are allowed to use the club pool.


But Will says that just 9 days after his application was approved, a club employee called to tell him it was a mistake, that
the club was revoking their membership because the state of Virginia
doesn't consider Will, Juan and Oliver to be a "real" family.


Mark Lynn Ferguson is a Roanoke native, and he's outraged by this alleged discrimination against Will and Juan's family.

The Roanoke
Athletic Club is owned by the Carilion Clinic, a company which owns and
operates 150 hospitals and medical clinics in Virginia, serving over 1
million people. "If Carilion won't give unmarried couples access to a pool, how will it treat them at a hospital?" Mark asks.


Will Trinkle
says that he was told by a Roanoke Athletic Club employee that "they
were 'tightening policies' so no families like us would ever 'get as
far' as we had." That's why Mark thinks it's so important to
send Carilion's leaders a strong message right now, before policies are
changed and more families face discrimination.


"Folks
in Roanoke are good hearted and fair minded, so I was just horrified
when I heard how Carilion treated this family," Mark says. Mark thinks
that if enough people sign his petition, Carilion's leaders will see
that people in Virginia and around America believe that all families
deserve to be treated equally, married or unmarried, gay or straight.

though this was interesting. Should make for some interesting comments...If you owned a gym with a swimming club pool...would you allow gay couples and their children to join....? What do you think about this situation at a gym with a swim club at Roanoke Va?

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  • Lord Emperor Kami Guro Bage... 2012/07/04 03:25:34
  • lucythetooth 2012/07/04 03:25:33
    lucythetooth
    +2
    Should they ban gay families? No. But they do. And as long as they're a privately owned company, they have that right. Still doesn't make it RIGHT.
  • CA Gal lucythe... 2012/07/04 03:56:28 (edited)
    CA Gal
    +2
    But if both families have purchased their membership...the privately owned company is obligated to honor both memberships.
  • lucythe... CA Gal 2012/07/04 04:00:23
    lucythetooth
    +1
    Not necessarily. There's probably a clause somewhere in the fine print that states they can rescind membership at management's discretion. Kind of like a sign posted by the register that says they reserve the right to refuse service. They don't have to have a good reason to do so as long as they have it somewhere in the paperwork that they can.
  • CA Gal lucythe... 2012/07/04 04:03:00
    CA Gal
    +2
    If they've both signed a contract for one year and management at their discretion decides to terminate one of the contract....remaining monies must be refunded. Unless of course, the attorneys put in a clause preventing the refund lol
  • Manuel lucythe... 2012/07/04 04:08:45
    Manuel
    so they can keep out blacks who are not gay as well?
  • lucythe... Manuel 2012/07/04 04:15:51
    lucythetooth
    Probably not. African Americans have protections under the law against discrimination. Gay people don't... yet.
  • Manuel lucythe... 2012/07/04 06:29:31
    Manuel
    Probably not. ?...are you sure?
  • lucythe... Manuel 2012/07/04 17:52:17
    lucythetooth
    Well, considering that I haven't seen the paperwork, I have no idea. If someone's membership was rescinded, and they happen to be African American, they might have to prove that it was rescinded for that reason and that reason alone, in which case, they could claim discrimination based on race.
  • Manuel lucythe... 2012/07/04 17:59:00
    Manuel
    +1
    it funny ...this swim club is obviously conservative...
    the average conservative is against gays and even a bit racist.
    Liberals are not hung up on gays and race...but have to live in Country filled with conservatives that still wants these things to keep going... that is kinda what this Swim club shows...
  • Manuel lucythe... 2012/07/04 04:07:49
    Manuel
    then we should vote for a congress that will change that...
  • User Deactivated 2012/07/04 03:16:35
    User Deactivated
    +2
    If the gym is privately owned, they have the right to accept or deny anyone they want.
  • Manuel User De... 2012/07/04 04:09:26
    Manuel
    so they can keep out black families who are not gay as well?
  • User De... Manuel 2012/07/04 04:38:56
    User Deactivated
    They can keep out or let in anyone they want if they are privately owned.
  • Manuel User De... 2012/07/04 06:31:41
    Manuel
    So if I own a private home for rent...I can keep out of it anybody I want?
  • User De... Manuel 2012/07/04 15:37:01
    User Deactivated
    Obviously, yes. Yes you can.
  • Manuel User De... 2012/07/04 17:48:03
    Manuel
    that is against the law....
  • Marianne ☮ 2012/07/04 03:14:50
    Marianne ☮
    +3
    Obviously NO
  • Vitalani 2012/07/04 03:14:00
    Vitalani
    +1
    They shouldn't, but if I'm not paying for it through taxes they have the right.
  • Manuel Vitalani 2012/07/04 04:10:23
    Manuel
    so they can keep out black families who are not gay as well?
  • Vitalani Manuel 2012/07/04 04:45:19
    Vitalani
    This was the US last time I checked. I may not agree but I'm not funding it.
  • Manuel Vitalani 2012/07/04 06:33:28
    Manuel
    What's up with the tax bit?...don't think I get it...
  • Vitalani Manuel 2012/07/04 13:10:54
    Vitalani
    Because things which are taxpayer funded can't just exclude who they want...private businesses can.
  • Manuel Vitalani 2012/07/04 17:50:11
    Manuel
    .private businesses that do that are racist...and very conservative...
  • Vitalani Manuel 2012/07/05 02:25:18
    Vitalani
    Right... And?
  • Manuel Vitalani 2012/07/05 03:43:26
    Manuel
    +1
    to bad it's not gonna change.....
  • George ... Vitalani 2012/07/05 13:53:13
    George Zook
    +2
    I think there are laws that protect against discrimination even in the private sector? am I wrong in this?
  • Vitalani George ... 2012/07/05 16:35:49
    Vitalani
    +1
    I believe they do. The problem is that it has to be proven.
  • George ... Vitalani 2012/07/11 16:43:30
    George Zook
    it's sadder than I thought
  • Beccy 2012/07/04 03:13:22
    Beccy
    +4
    So sad that a child is the one to get hurt for something he can't control.
  • Manuel Beccy 2012/07/04 04:11:04
    Manuel
    +1
    it depends on how you explain it...
  • Jester M.S. 2012/07/04 03:12:24
    Jester M.S.
    +1
    No, unless they treat the pool deck like its a gay pride parade.
  • Manuel Jester ... 2012/07/04 04:11:44
  • Jester ... Manuel 2012/07/04 04:26:26
    Jester M.S.
    +1
    I was making a joke, but in all honesty, If the place is privately owned, then they can refuse service to anyone. A business owner can use their property or business assets as they so choose.
  • Manuel Jester ... 2012/07/04 06:34:14
    Manuel
    So if I own a private home for rent...I can keep out of it anybody I want?
  • Jester ... Manuel 2012/07/04 07:16:38 (edited)
    Jester M.S.
    +1
    That varies a little by jurisdiction, as property laws are generally state and not federal, but the answer is generally yes, you may use private property as you see fit within the limits of the law (assuming its a private residence and not something like an apartment complex, which involves additional regulations).

    The courts are even more supporting of business owners and their assets in these situations. Would you prefer a system set up to force business owners to take on clients against their will like they are so fond of doing in China and North Korea?

    The beauty of the american capitalist system is that it operates on a voluntary basis between consumer and business owner, not a compulsory one. This is not an issue that has anything to do with gay really, and everything to do with the protections for business owners to reserve their right to refuse service to anyone.

    Sure, I will admit it is a story that is more interesting to some people's agenda because it involves gays, minorities, {insert ostracized group here}, but it ultimately fails the legal practicality litmus test.
  • Manuel Jester ... 2012/07/04 17:52:52
    Manuel
    the American capitalist system biggest flaw is it keeps racism alive and well and very healthy..
  • Jester ... Manuel 2012/07/04 20:10:53
    Jester M.S.
    So, let me get this straight, you would condone forcing business owners to service clients against their will?
  • Manuel Jester ... 2012/07/05 03:46:59
    Manuel
    that's not what I said....
  • Jester ... Manuel 2012/07/05 03:55:12
    Jester M.S.
    Then what?

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