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jt 2012/09/16 15:14:45
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LOVELAND, Colo. — A student is questioning whether his faith or his fashion is under fire at his high school in Loveland.

Thompson Valley High School officials have confiscated his rosary beads twice since school started three weeks ago.

And he says they never told him, or his family, why.

“They tell me I can’t wear them,” says Manuel Vigil, showing us an identical rosary to the one seized by his school.

The junior says he wears rosary beads to protect himself from harm.

But his school district thinks the religious necklace will harm students.

“That’s typically not what we want for a safe environment for school,” says Thompson Valley School District spokesperson Margaret Crespo.

The district says they can be affiliated with gangs, and disrupt learning.

“Are you in a gang? I ask Vigil. ‘No. I’m not in a gang,’ he says. You’re a good student? ‘I’m a good student,’” he says.

The 16-year-old says he and his family are strong Catholics.

“I use them for prayer. I feel safe when I have them on.”

The district says it gave Vigil options before seizing the beads.

“We’ve given you two opportunities to take it off or to put it inside your shirt. That’s not something you’re interested in doing. You’re not giving us an alternative than to remove it,” Crespo says Vigil was told.

But Vigil says he only got a demand.

“If he would have given me that option, I would have put it in my shirt,” he says.

Vigil’s classmates agree putting a bad label on a good symbol is wrong.

“If it’s for religious reasons he should be allowed to wear it. We have religious tolerance in this country,” says a freshman student Jack.

“It’s a necklace. Girls wear necklaces all the time and they never get them taken away,” says junior Rachel.

“They can say anything they want is disruptive. Just ‘cause they say it, doesn’t mean it’s true,” says freshman Adam. None of the students wanted to give their last names.

Vigil says how ironic he’s getting in trouble for being a good and faithful person.

“I could see if I was out doing gang activity, but I’ve never been in trouble with the law, never been in trouble at school,” says Vigil.

The bigger problem the district says is Vigil’s rosary had 13 beads per section, instead of the traditional 10.

That 13, they say, can be associated with the Sureno’s gang.

But Vigil didn’t know that.

Plus, on some religious websites we also found several rosaries featuring 13 beads.

His other confiscated rosary, by the way, has 10 beads.

He’s tried to pick them up from the office. But the school says they’ll only give them to a parent and his mom can’t make it during school hours because of work.



http://kdvr.com/2012/09/14/loveland-school-seizes-rosary-bead...

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  • Philo-Publius 2012/09/16 15:30:22
    Wtf? Is it for real?
    Philo-Publius
    +6
    Mr. and Mrs. Vigil, pull your kid out of that school and enroll him in either a private or religious school, or a home cyber school whereby Thompson Valley School District will no longer get that $10,000 or so a year of your tax money, and encourage other parents to do likewise.

    If a mere twenty parents (-$200,000) showed up this week to un-enroll their children along with you in protest, the district would have its policy reversed and a written apology issued before your child started his new classes.

    Don't get mad. Hit'm in the pocketbook. That's the only thing that will get them to listen; they don't care one iota about your rights.

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  • Burning Bright Embers 2012/09/24 22:13:34
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    Burning Bright Embers
    +1


    This must be the gang leader
  • diane 2012/09/23 14:44:29
    Wtf? Is it for real?
    diane
    +1
    take the worry beads and hijabs' off the muslims and I may be alright about it.
  • Thomas 45 2012/09/23 14:37:33
    Wtf? Is it for real?
    Thomas 45
    Educators need to be re educated and de programed if they drank the Kool Aid!
  • Karebear 2012/09/21 20:17:54
  • Cunning Stunts 2012/09/21 13:38:44
    Wtf? Is it for real?
    Cunning Stunts
    They are anal beads, nothing to be alarmed about.
  • Joker 2012/09/19 14:08:27
  • Luke 2012/09/19 13:43:18
    Wtf? Is it for real?
    Luke
    These are the educators that are teaching the children and they have no clue whatsoever ....SAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Pam 2012/09/19 04:37:30
    I don't get it
    Pam
    Uninformed people who can't ask simple questions piss me off. My youngest was banned from wearing a scarf that some of the sheeple parents on the team believed was Satanist. For those who don't recognize this, it is a symbol used by the rock band H.I.M., think they call it a heartogram. http://www.spirit-of-metal.co...
  • Sky Sky 2012/09/17 03:51:13
  • Rusty 2012/09/17 03:43:12
    Wtf? Is it for real?
    Rusty
    The fools we have entrusted to teach our children have lost control. Instead of ejecting the trouble makers they attack peoples christian religion.
  • 70sGirl 2012/09/17 02:18:51
    Wtf? Is it for real?
    70sGirl
    wtf is right,,,,
  • RogerCoppock 2012/09/17 02:03:57
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    RogerCoppock
    +3
    YES. There are street gangs who use Rosary beads as their symbol. There is at least one group here in California.
  • SA RogerCo... 2012/09/17 13:57:56
    SA
    +1
    Same in Colorado. Most kids ARE aware of this.
  • WinterLynn RogerCo... 2012/09/18 15:21:39
    WinterLynn
    It appears that the lefts War on Religion continues. Esp towards "Catholics."

    Holy Rosary


    However "IF" this student were in possession of "ISLAMIC PRAYER BEADS" he would be "ALLOWED" to carry them and pray.

    esp catholics student possession islamic prayer beads allowed carry pray
  • RogerCo... WinterLynn 2012/09/18 19:07:34
    RogerCoppock
    " "IF" this student were in possession of "ISLAMIC PRAYER BEADS" he would be "ALLOWED" to carry them and pray. "

    Neither you nor I know this.
  • Karebear WinterLynn 2012/09/21 20:14:42
    Karebear
    I'm a liberal AND a christian... you don't have to be a bigot if you're a Christian...
  • WinterLynn Karebear 2012/09/21 20:26:10
    WinterLynn
    +1
    I'm a Reagan Conservative, Pro~Life, Capitalist, Christian***You don't have to be bigot of you're a Christian.
  • ★earthb... RogerCo... 2012/09/19 03:03:34
    ★earthbound_misfit★
    So? Anything can be used as a gang symbol. This is not a reason to ban it, especially when it's also a religious symbol. Ban the gang behavior, not any and all objects that may or may not be associated with gangs.
  • RogerCo... ★earthb... 2012/09/19 05:06:26
    RogerCoppock
    "This is not a reason to ban it, "

    In a public school setting, it is.
  • ★earthb... RogerCo... 2012/09/19 12:16:19
    ★earthbound_misfit★
    I disagree. Just because it's a public school doesn't mean it should be run like a prison.
  • WinterLynn RogerCo... 2012/09/21 20:25:08
    WinterLynn
    SO what!! In America we have the right to freedom of expression and the freedom of Religion. Wise up.
  • Anna 2012/09/17 00:39:17
    Wtf? Is it for real?
    Anna
    I'm all for separation of church and state when it comes to teaching, but when it comes to the students themselves people need to remember the religious freedom part of American rights.
  • maggie 2012/09/17 00:09:35
    Undecided
    maggie
    they just dont want "god " in their schools...it might offend somebody.
  • nbarton2 2012/09/16 20:40:49
    Wtf? Is it for real?
    nbarton2
    Look no matter what he was wearing them for this is America and we are innocent until proven guilty not the other way around, just because he is a kid wearing a rosary doesn't automatically make him a gang member as some would like to believe; nor does it make him a liar.
  • l 2012/09/16 20:19:48
    I don't get it
    l
    +1
    Confiscating illigal drugs is one thing! A rosary beads is another! What do they want from our kids???!
  • luigi1- in god we trust 2012/09/16 19:19:12
    Wtf? Is it for real?
    luigi1- in god we trust
    In lib CO...why am I not surprised?
  • Cheerios luigi1-... 2012/09/17 02:46:21
    Cheerios
    I'm liberal and i think this is wrong, quit lumping people together.
  • 3003573 2012/09/16 18:54:40
  • WinterLynn 3003573 2012/09/18 15:33:42
    WinterLynn
    Mafia? How did you come up with that silly scenario?
  • 3003573 WinterLynn 2012/09/21 20:39:13
  • WinterLynn 3003573 2012/09/21 20:46:22
    WinterLynn
    You truly are a Pinhead.

    Wise up MUG
  • Rammstein 2012/09/16 18:12:10
    Undecided
    Rammstein
    lol, i like that, more like a cult symbol though
  • Dee 2012/09/16 17:46:17
    I don't get it
    Dee
    +4
    The schools have become bastions for the PC federales who are three gallons of crazy in a two gallon bucket.
  • SA 2012/09/16 17:10:06 (edited)
    Undecided
    SA
    +1
    I have a pre teen grandson who knows exactly what the meaning behind wearing "rosary beads" really is. Most kids do, unless they live in a place where gangs have not been around.



    This kid is not stupid. Schools also don't let students wear certain colors because the colors, even if they are shoe laces that represent "Gang Symbols."

    If he had been approached by gang members, he would be complaining because the school didn't do anything about the situation. Colorado does have gangs.

    If it had not been a "gang issue or gang symbol" there would be NO problem
  • Sodahead Founders are Fascists 2012/09/16 16:48:04
    Undecided
    Sodahead Founders are Fascists
    Well, it is a gang symbol. A symbol of the greatest child abuse ring in the world.
  • rand 2012/09/16 16:41:34
    Undecided
    rand
    I DO get it and understand that it is for real. Bureaucrats, as most school officials eventually become, don't think; they just follow rules. But I'll admit, it's possible the student is being disingenuous about the explanations and options he was offered.
  • rocker1446 2012/09/16 16:38:01
    Wtf? Is it for real?
    rocker1446
    +1
    Government stepping in where they are not supposed to be. No good. No good at all.
  • WinterLynn rocker1446 2012/09/18 15:36:05
    WinterLynn
    And its going to get a lot worse. Our Religious Freedoms by those who are far left pinheads are on a mission. However if this student were in possession of "ISLAMIC PRAYER BEADS" we would have never heard one thing about it.
  • DuncanONeil 2012/09/16 16:30:05
  • plainasitcomes 2012/09/16 16:05:00
    Wtf? Is it for real?
    plainasitcomes

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