Same sex marriage: Yay or Nay?
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2012/04/15 21:10:42
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Kashee 2012/04/15 23:20:29
God's purpose for the earth. Paradise made on earth for perfect humans. Ge; 1.28. 2:8-15
Earth to be filled with peaceful people, .. Ps 72:7 Isa 45:18; 9:6,7
Paradise to be restored by kingdom. Mt 6-9, 10. Re 21;37-39
Heaven. only 144,000 go to heaven. Re 5;9, 10; 20:4
Many other will live on earth. Ps 72:8 Re 21:3,4
14 “ Do not let your heart be troubled; [a]believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.
Deuteronomy 5:19
‘ You shall not steal."
SAN FRANCISCO — The next stop for the Proposition 8 case is the Supreme Court.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit on Tuesday denied Prop 8 backers' request for a rehearing before a larger en banc panel of the court, meaning their only hope of preserving California's ban on gay marriage is high court intervention — which they've vowed to seek.
stealing is hurting an other person....
loving is .... tell me again what is wrong with love?
CK Louis, who you quoted. isn't very loving,
This is loving:
James 5:19-20
19 My dear brothers and sisters, if someone among you wanders away from the truth and is brought back, 20 you can be sure that whoever brings the sinner back will save that person from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins.
Galatians 6:1
Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.
1 Corinthians 13:6
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
But that most certainly does not mean that just because your god doesn't condemn homosexuality and immorality that my God doesnt condem homosexuality and immorality. I don't have to worship your god. I have my own God I have put my trust in. And as an American citizen, I have a right to protest the systematic conversion of my country into a homosexist patriarchy.
my motto is [yeas this is what i came up with all by myself;]
there is not enough room in one person for both hatred and wisdom
But I intend to worship the God who can save me.
''Context Marrianne. What Jesus said was to not be a hypocrite and judge other people for the same thing you are doing yourself. Let's have a look at that passage in context:
Matthew 7:1-5
1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and [a]by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how [b]can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
Now let's have another look at this passage:
Matthew 7:1-5
1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
you take your orders from a thousand + year old compilation of scripts, which have been translated over and over by human beings. how sure are you that god is a bigot?
unless i was an expert in those ancient languages, i would not swear on validity of the scriptures.
point in case, melissa scott, who interprets bible pointed out that one part where it said 'man can not lay with a man' actually meant that a man can not conceive with another man...... .;-]
Here is the quote
Leviticus 20:13
13 If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
This is the Hebrew word translated "lie"
שָׁכַב
Transliteration
shakab
Pronunciation
shä·kav' (Key)
Part of Speech
verb
Root Word (Etymology)
A primitive root
TWOT Reference
2381
Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to lie down
a) (Qal)
1) to lie, lie down, lie on
2) to lodge
3) to lie (of sexual relations)
4) to lie down (in death)
5) to rest, relax (fig)
b) (Niphal) to be lain with (sexually)
c) (Pual) to be lain with (sexually)
d) (Hiphil) to make to lie down
e) (Hophal) to be laid
Although it is used frequently to denote sexual relations, It has nothing whatsoever to do with conception or reproduction. As an example, the exact same Hebrew word is used in these passages.
Genesis 28:11
11 He came to a certain place and spent the night there, because the sun had set; and he took one of the stones of the place and put it under his head, and lay down in that place
Exodus 22:27
27...
Here is the quote
Leviticus 20:13
13 If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
This is the Hebrew word translated "lie"
שָׁכַב
Transliteration
shakab
Pronunciation
shä·kav' (Key)
Part of Speech
verb
Root Word (Etymology)
A primitive root
TWOT Reference
2381
Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to lie down
a) (Qal)
1) to lie, lie down, lie on
2) to lodge
3) to lie (of sexual relations)
4) to lie down (in death)
5) to rest, relax (fig)
b) (Niphal) to be lain with (sexually)
c) (Pual) to be lain with (sexually)
d) (Hiphil) to make to lie down
e) (Hophal) to be laid
Although it is used frequently to denote sexual relations, It has nothing whatsoever to do with conception or reproduction. As an example, the exact same Hebrew word is used in these passages.
Genesis 28:11
11 He came to a certain place and spent the night there, because the sun had set; and he took one of the stones of the place and put it under his head, and lay down in that place
Exodus 22:27
27 for it alone is his covering, it his garment for his skin; wherein doth he lie down? and it hath come to pass, when he doth cry unto Me, that I have heard, for I [am] gracious.
But I don't use the OT as the reason that I reject homosexuality. I'm a Christian, so I obey the New Testament.
also, how would you explain those who have been born with ambiguous sexual dna. there are some sort of ambiguity in as many as 1 percent in the population, which would make it over 3 million americans alone.
is there an exception for them?
why are you using old testament is some quotes?
didn't you tell me how leviticus is not relevant?
"unless i was an expert in those ancient languages, i would not swear on validity of the scriptures.
point in case, melissa scott, who interprets bible pointed out that one part where it said 'man can not lay with a man' actually meant that a man can not conceive with another man...... .;-]
There are not many interpretations of the bible. That is simply an untruth that is spread by bible cynics that do not want to believe the bible, regardless.
Genetic deformities and sexual ambiguity does not cause homosexuality. There is no indication of that. Nor do the account for the number of homosexuals currently. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the physical or genetic make-up of homosexuals. It is a matter of their minds, not their genes. The mind is corruptible and mutable.
i will have to ask this again; those who were born xxy,
can you determine if they are a man or a woman, and who should they marry?
if 1 out of 1000 are xxy, that would make over 300.000 us citizens and worldwide over 7 million people.
maybe there is an answer for this in the bible?
http://www.isna.org/faq/frequ...
Not XX and not XY one in 1,666 births
Klinefelter (XXY) one in 1,000 births
Androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 13,000 births
Partial androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 130,000 births
Classical congenital adrenal hyperplasia one in 13,000 births
Late onset adrenal hyperplasia one in 66 individuals
Vaginal agenesis one in 6,000 births
Ovotestes one in 83,000 births
Idiopathic (no discernable medical cause) one in 110,000 births
Iatrogenic (caused by medical treatment, for instance progestin administered to pregnant mother) no estimate
5 alpha reductase deficiency no estimate
Mixed gonadal dysgenesis no estimate
Complete gonadal dysgenesis one in 150,000 births
Hypospadias (urethral opening in perineum or along penile shaft) one in 2,000 births
Hypospadias (urethral opening between corona and tip of glans penis) one in 770 births
Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female one in 100 births
Total number of people receiving surgery to “norm...
i will have to ask this again; those who were born xxy,
can you determine if they are a man or a woman, and who should they marry?
if 1 out of 1000 are xxy, that would make over 300.000 us citizens and worldwide over 7 million people.
maybe there is an answer for this in the bible?
http://www.isna.org/faq/frequ...
Not XX and not XY one in 1,666 births
Klinefelter (XXY) one in 1,000 births
Androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 13,000 births
Partial androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 130,000 births
Classical congenital adrenal hyperplasia one in 13,000 births
Late onset adrenal hyperplasia one in 66 individuals
Vaginal agenesis one in 6,000 births
Ovotestes one in 83,000 births
Idiopathic (no discernable medical cause) one in 110,000 births
Iatrogenic (caused by medical treatment, for instance progestin administered to pregnant mother) no estimate
5 alpha reductase deficiency no estimate
Mixed gonadal dysgenesis no estimate
Complete gonadal dysgenesis one in 150,000 births
Hypospadias (urethral opening in perineum or along penile shaft) one in 2,000 births
Hypospadias (urethral opening between corona and tip of glans penis) one in 770 births
Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female one in 100 births
Total number of people receiving surgery to “normalize” genital appearance one or two in 1,000 births
i enjoy mostly learning from this site, and i much rather talk with those who disagree with me, thanks for being such a 'good sport'
Okay, this is a little biology lesson. It is really easy, and I love to teach biology. But this is easy. Whenever you see a sex chromosome type with a Y--the individual is male.
XX--female
XY--male
And it doesn't matter how many Xs are with it--that is simply chromosome deformities, which are really woeful. But if it has a Y, the individual is a male.
So Klinefelter's Syndrome 47,XXY is a male. They are always male.
And by the way, this isn't the only Sex Chromosome abnormality that you find in birth defects. There are many other variants, and even variants with two Ys--such as 48,YYY and 49,XYYYY
But if you see a Y, it is always a male. A deformed male, yes, but regardless, a male.
In the same way there are Sex Chromosome abnormalites among females, such as 47,XXX and 25,X and 48,XXXX.
None of these lead to homosexuality however. They frequently lead to other limitations or complications, such as lowered intellegence.
In Turner's syndrome (45,X and other variations) patients will require hormones and there is some phenotypic traits, although not every girl has them.
Okay, this is a little biology lesson. It is really easy, and I love to teach biology. But this is easy. Whenever you see a sex chromosome type with a Y--the individual is male.
XX--female
XY--male
And it doesn't matter how many Xs are with it--that is simply chromosome deformities, which are really woeful. But if it has a Y, the individual is a male.
So Klinefelter's Syndrome 47,XXY is a male. They are always male.
And by the way, this isn't the only Sex Chromosome abnormality that you find in birth defects. There are many other variants, and even variants with two Ys--such as 48,YYY and 49,XYYYY
But if you see a Y, it is always a male. A deformed male, yes, but regardless, a male.
In the same way there are Sex Chromosome abnormalites among females, such as 47,XXX and 25,X and 48,XXXX.
None of these lead to homosexuality however. They frequently lead to other limitations or complications, such as lowered intellegence.
In Turner's syndrome (45,X and other variations) patients will require hormones and there is some phenotypic traits, although not every girl has them.
regarding gays.....
back when i was in grammar school, there was a friend who was just a bit different, always nice, and when i learned many years later, that he was gay, it seemed like so logical thing, i think that it sort of put some puzzle pieces together. my heart aches for the pain that lgbt people have and still are going thru.
i don't think that i will ever stop supporting their long and arduous process of being accepted, so i enjoyed our chat, and wish you well, and maybe we'll get to disagree again in the future.
Klinefelters has nothing to do with homosexuality. If you happen to go down to the 4th paraagraph, the 9th line down, you will notice that all of these individuals are heterosexual. Their intelligence is limited, but it does not make them homosexual.
I hav taken far too long trying to get this uploaded, and I apologise for not discussing it more. I will finish when I get home. I'm running late for an appointment.
Watching and listening to God is what makes you a Christian. Understanding him, loving him and respecting him is what makes you a Christian. Not knowing the book a few men wrote hundreds of years ago about what they thought he wanted off by heart.
2 Timothy 3:15-17
15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
my god is loving and not as hung up on who loves who.
it is only a matter of time, and the discrimination will end..... ;]