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Same-sex marriage akin to the tyrannies of Nero

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Same-sex marriage akin to the tyrannies of Nero


30 May, 2012 04:00 AM


THE push for same sex marriage cuts to the heart of natural law, religious freedom and the rights of children to have proper parents.


Radical humanist groups, like the gay, lesbian, transsexual, bisexual and inter-sexual G.L.B.T.I. want to challenge natural law tradition with their own ideas for a better world.


They want to use same-sex marriage, anti-discrimination and "human rights" legislation to bring traditionalists and churches into conflict with the state man-made laws of a dominant secular group and force them to accept the new agenda, to preach and teach it as of equal rights in our kindergartens, primary and secondary schools or lose state funding for services like education, health care, aged care, adoption etc.


So much for human rights and religious freedom of conscience, the basis of Western society; morality is not made by a majority.


It is one thing for society to tolerate private disordered sex contrary to natural law, but not the public acceptance and promotion of such behaviour as of equal choice and rights.


We hate the sin but love the sinner.


Many can’t believe that the denial of basic human rights by a tyranny can happen here, but history shows us otherwise.


The tyrannies of Rome under Nero, in England under Elizabeth I, of France under Robespierre, In Germany under Bismarck and Hitler, in Mexico and Spain in the 1920s and 30s, in Russia, Eastern Europe and China under Communism and now threatened by Obama in the US, through Healthcare are examples.


Totalitarian tyranny happens again when a dominant group believe they can control human society on their own terms for a "better" world like the farmer controlling an animal farm. God help us all to preserve the best of our Judeo Christian heritage.


Fr Bernard McGrath,


Bendigo

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  • Joanie 2012/06/11 15:00:40
    Undecided
    Joanie
    Are these homophobes completely nuts?
  • freespire Joanie 2012/06/16 05:57:45
    freespire
    It seems the idea of policital correctness is a hard thing for some people to give ear to espically when the truth is given.

    It amazes me how often some people want to take what is presented under a sacried rite and lay claim free for all acts upon it.

    what next women will start leaving the toilet seat up?
  • Joanie freespire 2012/06/16 14:13:03
    Joanie
    What truth? That same sex marriage is some kind of tyranny? Get a grip!
  • freespire Joanie 2012/06/18 07:01:10
    freespire
    so then how do same sex people produce babies under the way the bible ordain the words go forth and multiply?

    or do you seriously think natural order is wrong?
  • Joanie freespire 2012/06/18 17:50:19
    Joanie
    +1
    I think people should be able to decide how to live their lives in ways that are most fulfilling to them.
  • freespire Joanie 2012/06/19 03:34:10
    freespire
    Yes people have the right to choice which master they want to serve it's never been removed from them.

    But if you serve one master you are bond to play within his rules and not demand some rules and stay with the other master, this is the whole point here

    marriage is a rule alloated to Christians only these were written long before the pages of the bible compiled the scriptures into one easy to hand around book for all humans to read.

    Satans way which is the other master does not have marriage instead be offers living together and multiable sex partners.

    it's like having five dollars going to the candy store spending the five dollars and then expecting to still have five dollars when you leave.

    can you see that same connection here from that simple illustration?
  • Joanie freespire 2012/06/19 14:16:23
    Joanie
    I don't serve any masters,my friend. I am sorry if you do.
  • freespire Joanie 2012/06/21 04:42:45
    freespire
    yes you do you just do not consider it, the governemnt you support is you serving a master who laws you obey and live within. that is just one master. and like a religion you also contribute monatory support to it's cause under taxes.

    the only difference is human masters have no way of giving you eternal life, as they have tried to find the foutain of youth without any success so far.
  • Joanie freespire 2012/06/21 17:47:40
    Joanie
    The government is not my master. We have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. In fact, people in the government are my servants. They are public servants.
  • freespire Joanie 2012/06/23 06:14:06
    freespire
    realy that is not what Obama seems to be saying to the world. Oh and what about stopping for the police when told too. do you say nar forget it and keep driving or do as they say?
  • Mohammad.Alzo 2012/06/03 07:02:55
    He has a good point and...
    Mohammad.Alzo
    +1
    and religion was given to be a guideline for mankind. Follow the religion that glows with the truth and not one that follows your desire.
  • freespire Mohamma... 2012/06/07 06:43:47
    freespire
    yes I agree always seek the truth if you would be saved
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/06/02 19:17:17
    He has a good point and...
    jackolantyrn356
    Paul;s comentary is the key. A man chioises what he will be. once choosen the flesh eats away at the heart and soul. Withput that saving grace ........... well, it was their choice.
  • BattleB... jackola... 2012/06/02 19:53:26
    BattleBattlerBenji (PHAET)
    +1
    Sorry, but could you point out these "good points" for me? I couldn't find anything except hypocrisy and rubbish... :-/
  • freespire BattleB... 2012/06/07 06:53:28
    freespire
    well it was the right of the person who expressed his concerns for the rights of those who's lives are begin dictated to by others.

    now everyone is entitled to live life as they wish in a free society and this type of enslavery by one group over another for their own selfish plearuse is not a valid reason to have a righteous man who has faith in God, to be told he can not long live under God's laws just to make a mockery out of his faith now.

    how would that be holding up the consitutional rights of the God fearing man?
  • freespire jackola... 2012/06/07 06:46:05
    freespire
    Yes and that is true but Jehovah also said if they would turn away and repent in earnest he would clean them up and forgive them their past trangression. w

    The questions is will they or will they give up their gift of ever lasting life?
  • Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET 2012/06/02 16:36:55
    Undecided
    Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET
  • freespire Xerxes,... 2012/06/07 06:58:21
    freespire
    so what did this guy think when he read this statement made by Jesus about homosexuality ?

    1 Corinthians 6:9What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men,

    well it seem Jesus did make it clear homosexuality is very forbiden. the acts of sex is soley to reproduce new humans now explain how poking the wrong hole is going to make a man fall pregant?
  • Xerxes,... freespire 2012/06/07 10:06:12
    Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET
    Out of context
  • freespire Xerxes,... 2012/06/09 08:14:49
    freespire
    no actually it was correct based upon your statement Jesus made it clear homosexuality is forbidden no point in lying about it.
  • Xerxes,... freespire 2012/06/09 13:45:13
    Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET
    Not lying, out of context. besides aaa
  • freespire Xerxes,... 2012/06/11 02:22:28
    freespire
    strange I didn't know you could be called a troll upon a post you presented for public sharing?

    now if it is out of context as you claim then offer some reasoning as to why you say the statement within the bible is unture in reply to your statement of untruth
    please share with us your wisdom upon this matter?
  • Xerxes,... freespire 2012/06/11 04:06:37
  • freespire Xerxes,... 2012/06/16 05:59:40
    freespire
    Revelations 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down
  • Joanie freespire 2012/06/11 14:58:07
    Joanie
    Jesus didn't say anything in Corinthians. It was an epistle written by Paul, f/k/a Saul of Tarsus. to a group of early Christians in Corinth. It was colored by Paul's own prejudices and the society in which he lived. Paul is not the same as Jesus. By the way, the term "arsenokotai" which in your translation is translated as "men who lie with men" is a Greek word which Paul invented and the meaning of which is much debated.
  • freespire Joanie 2012/06/16 06:04:52
    freespire
    I find it funny how people make this connection of say Paul said it and not Jesus.

    Paul was a man of legatistic writting and when one reads what is Pauls writtings one can easily see by the sentence structuring alone whom the sayings belonged.

    1 Corinthians 6:9 which you are pointing to hear is NOT of paul's works it matches other statements made by Jesus just look at John 13:13 to 16 and you can clearly see it is just how Jesus persented his words and thoughts to the people.

    but you are right Paul was Sual a man who once murdered Christains before the holy spirit of God touched him and cleaned him of his sin.
  • peaches 2012/06/02 15:41:25
    Undecided
    peaches
    +1
    Legalizing gay marriage has nothing to do with your religious rights. If it is against your religion to have a gay marriage, do not get "gay " married!
    It's not unnatural behavior for any homosexual/bisexual people, nor for the many animal species who do have homosexual behavior.
    Gay parents are proven to be just as good parents as any straight couple! But where are the "proper" parents for the children of divorced, sex offenders, drug addicts, orphans, foster kids, etc. Gay people at least raise wanted children, rather than "accidents" that many straight couples produce.
    No one is focing people to accept the gay community, but children should be taught tolerance, not hate. If you believe otherwise, you have a problem.
    gay equal rights
  • stevegt... peaches 2012/06/02 19:20:36
    stevegtexas@aol.com
    +1
    it would be like anything else anyway......not everyone that is of certain religions do EVERYTHING the religion says anyway. Its not always practical or realistic. If it was, we would be like robots.....program us, and we will just run.
  • peaches stevegt... 2012/06/03 17:03:06
    peaches
    Exactly, I agree (: I'm Christian. I'm just not a fundamentalist, obviously, I'm also bisexual. I'm a believer, but I believe in logic and reason before the supernatural.
  • freespire stevegt... 2012/06/07 07:05:18
    freespire
    no that is noit right at all, God only gave ten commandment and if you look at them they allow a lot of freedom to do as you please within them as long as you kept within the laws. just like the laws your politicians gave you to live with you can do much as long as you do not break the law you are a free person.
  • freespire peaches 2012/06/07 07:02:35
    freespire
    actually Marriage is a Religious right and can only be found written in the Bible long before your ideas of same sex marriage were ever thought of.

    same sex marriage is classed as devil worshiping and not a Godly act even the scriptures state

    let no man come between this that God has YOKED together. that is the marriage of a one man to one woman and nothing else. it is very simple sory to burst your bubble but the Truth is also hard to hear and often hated
  • peaches freespire 2012/06/07 20:27:50
    peaches
    Just because it's in the Bible, doesn't mean that it is solely a religious right. I mean, that's is obvious. If that were true, then Atheists couldn't marry. But they can, and it's obviously a huge sin to be an atheist in the first place. So if gays can't marry, then why can atheists?
    When the state legally acknowledges your marriage and you get benefits from it, then it's obviously a bit more than a religious celebration. It's a legal contract as well, and a social event.
    Ignorance >.<
  • freespire peaches 2012/06/09 08:32:23
    freespire
    ah see no you are talking about a completly different view point here.

    Marriage is done by someone who is of a religous notartory to start with which means it is done under a religious act. Mind you are right in saying it does belong to those of a the chirstian faith alone as that is where marriage was heritagted from.

    now the material world where legal enties come into play is another entirely different standing. Yes the world of men give way to marriage and provide material gains for those in this arragement, I do not argue your point on that.

    But the legal side you speak of is also accepted under de-facto laws a man made system to honor couple who are not Christian, personally this I believe could suit those who wish to be seen in a union of legal standing as a couple. while still respecting God and not abusing the religious rights of Christians with shame marriages which have no complance's to God's laws.

    it would be so easy for Humans to set up the system and say partnered or marraiged within the legal confines wheras partnered means union under man's laws and married union under God's laws. it would also work just the same in the eyes of the legal systems for material gains as you spoke about above.

    the only difference is the social event could be done under a legal contrac...



    ah see no you are talking about a completly different view point here.

    Marriage is done by someone who is of a religous notartory to start with which means it is done under a religious act. Mind you are right in saying it does belong to those of a the chirstian faith alone as that is where marriage was heritagted from.

    now the material world where legal enties come into play is another entirely different standing. Yes the world of men give way to marriage and provide material gains for those in this arragement, I do not argue your point on that.

    But the legal side you speak of is also accepted under de-facto laws a man made system to honor couple who are not Christian, personally this I believe could suit those who wish to be seen in a union of legal standing as a couple. while still respecting God and not abusing the religious rights of Christians with shame marriages which have no complance's to God's laws.

    it would be so easy for Humans to set up the system and say partnered or marraiged within the legal confines wheras partnered means union under man's laws and married union under God's laws. it would also work just the same in the eyes of the legal systems for material gains as you spoke about above.

    the only difference is the social event could be done under a legal contract ceriomony by judge in some community hall or centre instead of a church where non- christians have no place to be.

    I believe this would be a suitable compromise for those who are not of God's people and have no intent on wanting the gift of everlasting life which is resevered soley for God's people and none other.

    Yes I know non-God people are going to cry fowl but how can they afterall they choose to walk away from God and his laws for their own pleasure. or should I say no point in crying over spilt milk when it happens.
    (more)
  • peaches freespire 2012/06/09 15:50:32
    peaches
    +1
    Just Atheists don't abuse or disrespect God while being married, gay people can do the same. Gay people are not trying to force churches to marry them. And since many gay people aren't religious, they're not going to want to have their marriage in a church. So, I still don't understand why there's a difference between the two.
  • freespire peaches 2012/06/11 02:32:14
    freespire
    I am happy to answer your Q:

    marraige is a coverant between a man and a woman in the presence of God. which means a person is making a committment to God under a religous rite.

    anyone who makes this commenttment has accepted God as their master and denied any other from of belief.

    now in order for what you are asking to be a rite under law of man, one would have to be known as coupled and not married. hence the term men gave de-facto. naturally it can be done in some cerimony within a courthouse or a community hall type building. and there-after considered under the laws within man's world as a form of marriage but not committed to God.

    anyone who is currently married has made and taken an oath to God and is accountable to God in death no matter how much the person wants to scream and shout I do not believe in God. Married is a rite before God and acceptence of God as Master, Ruler, Judge and Jury upon their life whilst living and at time of death.
  • peaches freespire 2012/06/11 19:08:29 (edited)
    peaches
    You are not answering my question at all, actually, you are really just proving me more correct without realizing it.
    Atheists do NOT take an oath to God when they get married. They don't accept him as their master, they don't make a commitment to God, etc. They choose to not make it a religious rite by doing so. But it is still legally and socially considered marriage. Why can gay marriages not be the same as atheistic marriages (a social/legal commitment instead of religious) then?
  • freespire peaches 2012/06/16 06:08:01
    freespire
    Sorry but if you accept Christian princples such as marriage before God you enter into the contract with God and thus have accepted God no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.

    a Christian rite is a contract made with God one you are personally responible to honour and be held accountable for.
  • peaches freespire 2012/06/17 16:01:21 (edited)
    peaches
    Christians aren't the only ones who get married. They never were the only ones, and they never will be. You may as well accept that fact. Marriage is even more of a social rite than a religious one. Many nonreligious people get married, as well as people of different religions, and that does not mean that they are forced to accept the "Christian God" and all Christian principals. You hold the Christians at a pretty high standard if you believe that everyone just follows their ways. But they do not. Marriage has quite obviously grown to be a much bigger and universal rite. Why is that so hard to understand and accept? Not everyone has to be exactly like you and do things the same way you do. Humans should value diversity and differences for everyone has them and without them, life would be boring. So why must one ceremony remain the exact same over years and years that allow it to grow in order to be "true"?
  • freespire peaches 2012/06/18 07:06:14
    freespire
    easy enough to explain allow me to illustrate.

    one man murders a woman and is punished with a period in jail
    should we now allow this man to be free?
    or
    should we keep the ceremony of jailing true?
  • peaches freespire 2012/06/19 03:50:22
    peaches
    That's a pretty drastic comparison. Punishing people is in no way related to allowing people to pursuit their happiness. All I'm saying is that the ceremony of marriage has changed a lot and it will always continue to change. So there really is no "true" ceremony that you are trying to keep traditional, as it has always been growing to accommodate a changed/changing society.

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