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Russia's Putin says the West is on the decline. Agree?

Daryl 2012/07/10 01:26:54
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MOSCOW (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Monday the West's influence was waning as its economy declines but warned Russian diplomats to be on their guard against a backlash from Moscow's former


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  • Daryl 2012/07/10 01:28:13
    Agree
    Daryl
    +9
    By every objective measure the West is in decline.

    Enemies of America recognize it and enemies of America helped make it happen.

    vladimir putin

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  • Jacqui 2012/07/22 21:38:02
    Agree
    Jacqui
    +1
    The world is headed for it's greatest depression yet.
  • Angryface01 2012/07/18 04:55:36
    Disagree
    Angryface01
    +1
    Putin scares me... look into his eyes... he's somewhat soul-less. I believe he'd eat your soul for breakfast...
  • Independent Thinker 2012/07/14 01:43:32
    Agree
    Independent Thinker
    +1
    Obviously true - don't like it but yes, he was right and those with an ounce of common sense (without liberal/conservative blinders on) know his statement is a true one.
  • mewycg 2012/07/12 23:02:52
    Disagree
    mewycg
    +1
    By "the West" he must mean the whole world.
  • Jane 2012/07/11 01:00:16
    Disagree
    Jane
    +1
    What does this guy know, his country is a crime ridden mess.
  • 2012/07/10 23:37:16
    Agree
    +1
    What many seem not to pay attention to in the comment section is that this decline is a structural one. Not one simply because Obama is 'running' things (although him, bush or the others were instrumental). This has little to do with politics of said liberalism vs. said so-called conservatism and more do with an out of control financial oligarchs and a defunct government, that has infected the other institutions, like a virus.

    This structural decline deals with the fundamentals of the western economic structure. This tide of corporatism and corrupt banking play a significant role. ( see the E.U and the US.). It also deals with the fading away/destruction of civil liberties ( massive surveillance state, warrant-less wiretapping and other 'nanny state' measure), the rule of law, checks and balances in government, as well as, an excessive empire are just a few things to be said.

    This has been gradually set into place for the last 30 to 40 years with the shift of the banking sector from center on industrial expansion to finance capitalism and the F.I.R.E. Economy and the service sector. This new kind of economy was given fuel by zealous central bankers and their policies of currency manipulation, artificial interest rates and monetary stimulus; all of which creates this deb...







    What many seem not to pay attention to in the comment section is that this decline is a structural one. Not one simply because Obama is 'running' things (although him, bush or the others were instrumental). This has little to do with politics of said liberalism vs. said so-called conservatism and more do with an out of control financial oligarchs and a defunct government, that has infected the other institutions, like a virus.

    This structural decline deals with the fundamentals of the western economic structure. This tide of corporatism and corrupt banking play a significant role. ( see the E.U and the US.). It also deals with the fading away/destruction of civil liberties ( massive surveillance state, warrant-less wiretapping and other 'nanny state' measure), the rule of law, checks and balances in government, as well as, an excessive empire are just a few things to be said.

    This has been gradually set into place for the last 30 to 40 years with the shift of the banking sector from center on industrial expansion to finance capitalism and the F.I.R.E. Economy and the service sector. This new kind of economy was given fuel by zealous central bankers and their policies of currency manipulation, artificial interest rates and monetary stimulus; all of which creates this debt- based economic paradigm we live in today. Paradigm of trillion dollar derivatives markets and over leveraging and the financial pillaging of entire countries. Such markets with the power to sink the world economy.

    Then, you take into consideration that the serial bubbles in the 30 to 40 years have essential led to the shrinking middle-class, the growth of permanent underclass and the stagnation of upward mobility.

    Not to mention, you have a nefarious political class running a defunct and bankrupt government, that they help make, bought and paid for by corporate interest, elected by lulled masses obsessed with 'bread and circuses' and high on infantile partisanship and irrelevant idealogical dogma, The same populous that adores the same B.S. Kabuki theater, that is the presidential and congressional election cycles. The same crowed that gravitate to playing the "lesser of two evils' game that basically amounts to two steps back 1 step forward, in a vain attempt to produce change. They either ignore or forget the fact that the same financial and political special interests back both candidates and they are, therefore, beholden to these interests. Average citizens be damned.

    All the while, the nation is being killed by the vast political corruption, a corporatist financial and governmental cloak of technocratic underbelly and the relative societal decay.

    When you combine all of these factors, you can easily see the decline of the U.S. and the west, in general.
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  • newhon63 2012/07/10 21:06:52
    Agree
    newhon63
    +1
    He's right. U.S. influence is very weak in today's world. Noone fears America anymore. Obama is a weak jellyfish when it comes to talks to other world leaders. He pretty much just nods his head "yes" and gives them what they want. He treat U.S. citizens like garbage, but he kisses the butts of anyone else that crosses his path. He makes America weak everytime he opens his mouth.
  • beavith1 2012/07/10 20:05:56
    Disagree
    beavith1
    +1
    of course Putin says that.

    with guys like Hollandaise and Obama, what else could he conclude?

    he's wrong of course. we'll dump Obama in November and his tune ought to change...
  • frank 2012/07/10 17:59:11
    Agree
    frank
    +1
    All you need to do is look around.
  • Nate Hubert 2012/07/10 17:54:35
    Disagree
    Nate Hubert
    +1
    Call me crazy, but I think here in America at least we have a bit of an inferiority complex, wherein we constantly fear losing our place in the world. We aren't in decline, not even in the slightest; we're just having some hard economic times. We are most certainly not in the worst position we've been in, even in the past 100 years.

    What we see happening right now, is a growing number of nations catching up with the West - but that doesn't mean the West is in decline. It is the way of life, that there are both good and bad times. To freak out every time there is a bad time is just irrational; they're inevitable.
  • Dagon 2012/07/10 16:51:06
  • Kane Fernau 2012/07/10 16:46:45
    Agree
    Kane Fernau
    +2
    It happens every time democrats have control. Putin doesn't like Romney.
  • Grant Straka 2012/07/10 16:31:00
    Agree
    Grant Straka
    +1
    But Mr. Putin atleast in the West we've got librety and rights.
  • Bronar 2012/07/10 15:56:14
    Disagree
    Bronar
    +3
    This from a dictator who's population's annual income is what, a tenth of the average us citizen? Sorry, no.
  • Nate Hu... Bronar 2012/07/10 17:48:13
    Nate Hubert
    +2
    Not to mention their population is declining each year with no immigrants to show for it...
  • Maddog 2012/07/10 15:29:16 (edited)
    Agree
    Maddog
    +2
    When you allow morons to vote, that is the inevitable result!

    stupid america
  • S. Gompers 2012/07/10 14:17:06
    Agree
    S. Gompers
    +1
    We got the best government money can buy... Therein lies the problem.
  • rand 2012/07/10 14:07:25
    Disagree
    rand
    +1
    Social democracies will thrive long after other forms of government have crumbled. Look at the countries with the best healthcare, education, standard of living, levels of self-reported happiness, etc.
  • Dickens 2012/07/10 13:56:25
    Agree
    Dickens
    +1
    ...and we brought it on ourselves; a nation can't fight two grossly unnecessary wars (for the sole purpose of enriching politically-connected war profiteers) without draining the nation's treasury leading to rapid decline and eventual collapse...(constant warfare is what brought Rome down; we're just doing it faster and better..)
  • ģhøṡτ øώl 2012/07/10 13:24:32
    Agree
    ģhøṡτ øώl
    +1
    Put-In lives in the Matrix.
  • David 2012/07/10 13:19:39
    Agree
    David
    +1
    So Russia is on the rise?

    This is the Asian century!
  • Mike 2012/07/10 12:53:38
    Agree
    Mike
    +3
    Thanks to liberals progressives
  • jimmy Mike 2012/07/10 12:58:44
    jimmy
    +3
    that's for sure, but you left out socialist and commies
  • Mike jimmy 2012/07/10 13:01:50
    Mike
    +2
    same thing they re no different
  • jimmy Mike 2012/07/10 13:11:05
    jimmy
    +2
    OKEE DOKEE
  • Lady Wh... jimmy 2012/07/10 13:16:53
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    AND conservatives and republicans.
  • jimmy Lady Wh... 2012/07/10 13:23:20
    jimmy
    +1
    another brain washed liberal.
  • Michael Mcconnell 2012/07/10 12:39:06
    Agree
    Michael Mcconnell
    +1
    Sadly, it is on the decline due to suicidal government policies. Once it is gone, it won't come back and the world will be draged down to the level of the barbarians.
  • Eddie 2012/07/10 11:58:57
    Agree
    Eddie
    +2
    When you look at world history, it's pretty much a standing rule that powers begin with generally humble beginnings. Rise to a position of power and influence. Then decline only to be replaced to the next one that arises. It's a natural part of the way the world/universe works.
    It's a gradual progression usually and the denizens of the powerhouse on top at any given time generally convince themselves and truly believe that they/their nations are in a position of permanence. Often they believe that they are even favored by God and ordained to remain in this position forever. But history is cyclical and whether we like it or not the wheel does keep moving.
    Two thousand years ago, Rome was the center of the world and no one at that time would have ever imagined that it would ever be any other way.After that it was the Ottomans. In fact empirtes have routinely arisen and declined over the long history of our inhabited world. Egypt, Babalon, Judea, Alexander, Rome, Turkey, China, Spain, England, Russia and many more. All rose in power and influence. All were the center of the world. At least in their own eyes. And all declined after a time. In some cases many centuries, but were ultimately replaced by the next one in line.
    Now I'm sure Mr. Putin was just spouting rhetoric designe...
    When you look at world history, it's pretty much a standing rule that powers begin with generally humble beginnings. Rise to a position of power and influence. Then decline only to be replaced to the next one that arises. It's a natural part of the way the world/universe works.
    It's a gradual progression usually and the denizens of the powerhouse on top at any given time generally convince themselves and truly believe that they/their nations are in a position of permanence. Often they believe that they are even favored by God and ordained to remain in this position forever. But history is cyclical and whether we like it or not the wheel does keep moving.
    Two thousand years ago, Rome was the center of the world and no one at that time would have ever imagined that it would ever be any other way.After that it was the Ottomans. In fact empirtes have routinely arisen and declined over the long history of our inhabited world. Egypt, Babalon, Judea, Alexander, Rome, Turkey, China, Spain, England, Russia and many more. All rose in power and influence. All were the center of the world. At least in their own eyes. And all declined after a time. In some cases many centuries, but were ultimately replaced by the next one in line.
    Now I'm sure Mr. Putin was just spouting rhetoric designed to inflame sensibilities and promote despair and resignation. Nonetheless, it's the naturtal order. It will happen eventually. Of course "eventually' comes a lot soonert for some than others.
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  • Rod 2012/07/10 11:23:43 (edited)
    Agree
    Rod
    +2
    I agree right now. I have hope that things will get better come November, and that we will start to recover our health.
  • Devil's Advocate 2012/07/10 11:04:34
    Agree
    Devil's Advocate
    +2
    I agree the West is in decline, certainly by current trends and it is only the problem of induction that prevents me from saying the decline is inexorable (although Chinese wages and political mobilisation are large confounding variables in this equation).
    However, if Mr Putin believes Russia is a cast-iron guarantee to be an inheritor of the geopolitical and economic power of the post-Western hegemony era; then he is sorely mistaken. This will be accorded to Brazil, China and India. Russia still has very large structural economic problems and, much like China, it is how the workers mobilise that will have the deciding say.
  • Hockey 40 2012/07/10 09:31:57
    Agree
    Hockey 40
    +1
    Yes I do.
  • Robbb 2012/07/10 09:01:44
    Agree
    Robbb
    +2
    Relatively speaking there is no denying it. Since the end of WW2 which by the way was also the end of the colonial period the western nations have hade to come up with ways to actually earn their keep. for the first time they have had to start to compete with countries like India and China.
  • USAF Vet 2012/07/10 08:40:47
    Agree
    USAF Vet
    +2
    The decline began c. 1903 with Roosevelt's grand vision of the 'progressive' society; look where we are today.
  • jimmy USAF Vet 2012/07/10 12:59:34
    jimmy
    +1
    your right about that
  • Elephant Lord 2012/07/10 08:09:35
    Agree
    Elephant Lord
    +3
    Probably because we got too greedy and full of ourselves.
  • Rick 2012/07/10 07:45:10
    Agree
    Rick
    +2
    Yes, we are being destroyed by domestic enemies. We all know who they are.
  • ladyjane 2012/07/10 06:58:27 (edited)
    Disagree
    ladyjane
    +4
    I can't believe that there are so many people that are willing to say that this country is going down. Where's your fight? Why did our troops die in WW I - WWII - Korea - Vietnam-
    and now this mess in the middle east? I'm not even mentioning all the others that our people have died in. What were they fighting for? What are our troops over in the middle east fighting for now? What are they going to come home to? It's up to us to give them something to come home to. If they aren't fighting for this country and our values then it's time for them to come home... Vote Obama out in November and save our country!
  • Eddie ladyjane 2012/07/10 12:20:10
    Eddie
    +1
    I appreciate your steadfast patriotism. But this is a thing that goes far beyond any one presidency or even a handful of them. All nations/empires have and will fight wars. And their people will always revere their brave veterans for their sacrifices and courage. Please keep in mind though that no one nation ever has or ever will be "top dog" forever. It's un-natural to even assume that one would. That doesn't mean that we should go down quietly or without a fight. And we can console ourselves with the knowledge that whoever supplants this great nation as the worlds most influential power will themselves in turn one day face a similar decline. Also keep in mind that great ideals and deeds generally live on long after the dissolution of the nation that boasted them. Ancient Greece gave us thg democracy that we have based our own existence on. The great and heroic deeds of great historical figures were virtually all carried out by citizens of nations that no longert exist or at least are far from powerful or influential. Yet we remember them and even base out own ideals on many of them.
    Even when the US is no longer the world authority it has been for so long now, the great deeds, ideals and brave people of this nation will be remembered and will continue to ellicit influence i...
    I appreciate your steadfast patriotism. But this is a thing that goes far beyond any one presidency or even a handful of them. All nations/empires have and will fight wars. And their people will always revere their brave veterans for their sacrifices and courage. Please keep in mind though that no one nation ever has or ever will be "top dog" forever. It's un-natural to even assume that one would. That doesn't mean that we should go down quietly or without a fight. And we can console ourselves with the knowledge that whoever supplants this great nation as the worlds most influential power will themselves in turn one day face a similar decline. Also keep in mind that great ideals and deeds generally live on long after the dissolution of the nation that boasted them. Ancient Greece gave us thg democracy that we have based our own existence on. The great and heroic deeds of great historical figures were virtually all carried out by citizens of nations that no longert exist or at least are far from powerful or influential. Yet we remember them and even base out own ideals on many of them.
    Even when the US is no longer the world authority it has been for so long now, the great deeds, ideals and brave people of this nation will be remembered and will continue to ellicit influence in the heartts and minds of the worlds people for many many centuries to come.
    Change is uncertain and often contested. But it will and must happen. It's natural and I think it's just part of the overall plan of the great creator.
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  • Walt 2012/07/10 06:53:29
    Agree
    Walt
    +3
    Putin' Putin should realize after the comeback that Russia made after close to 70 years of communist rule, it is possible for us to do the same, maybe even better. There are hard times ahead, without a doubt, but that's not the end.

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