Pizza Patrón Giving Away Free Pizzas to Spanish Speakers: Fair or Foul?

I've done that and have been there. I would like to spend some time with a pretty Parisienne in order to perfect my knowledge of that tongue. Would you know of any who would like to tutor me in my development of my ability to speak French?

I'm sure you have.

So discrimination is cool now? Great...

I'll remind everyone that this sort of practice has been done...and outlawed. It was wrong then, it's wrong now.

Problem is I can't speak Spanish and if they say I'm lazy, they wrong because sometimes I try reading it.

It's not discrimination some white people speak spanish, it's their business not yours.

Denial wont justify this. Sorry. It's discrimination. We all can't speak spanish. See that picture I posted above, where they only allowed whites in, and not blacks....it was their business right? Not yours or mine. Tell me more about how you support the Jim Crow laws....and then tell me why this is magically right? I wont wait. You wont be back.

You are making a big deal out of nothing, we are talking about a one day deal here, and on top of that they are not refusing service to anybody because of their skin color. If you can't see the difference in this and the picture you posted I'm sorry, and mad at myself for getting at it with somebody with a mental handicap.

Thanks for showing your immaturity. Only those with no counter point resort to trolling with insults. Likewise those who insult forfeit the debate and show themselves as losers. I'll report you for trolling and be done with you. Good one buddy....

but i can speak spanish well.. so im good and once i paid like 20 pesos for a pizza lol at the pizza patron ahahaha.. it was horrible >.<

Rewarding a group of people with an ability and punishing (charging) others is discrimination. It would be no different than offering free pizzas to people who can walk in to order would be discriminatory to those who cannot. The only difference here is people's indifference to the ability or inability (that and the ADA specifically prevents the latter from occurring). Personally I don't think the free publicity they're getting is worth it though.

Lol rewarding people with an ability, yea I want to be a doctor its not fair some guy who went to college for it is rewarded with the job. You want that free pizza so bad learn Spanish.

OK, you decided to take the low road, fine. First, working for job qualifications for which you get a job is not a 'reward', it is something earned through hard work(strike one). Second, you assume I don't speak any Spanish (strike two). Lastly, you assume I care about 'free' pizza from a company that discriminates against English speaking customers, that do business in a country who's primary language is {surprise} English (strike three). This sir, simply makes you an idiot who hopes to make brownie points by acting like a douche-bag. Good luck with that.

I admit bad analogy on my part but also on yours, but let's look at something for a moment a Mexican pizza place offers free pizza if you order in Spanish( if you read the whole thing you only need to order in Spanish not be fluent In the language, and if looking up how to say one sentence in Spanish is a skill some people can't master I'm sorry for them) so how is that discriminate. I see "free" things all the time that have a catch, something like but 2 get one free, maybe a coupon or something but this is giving everyone a equal chance, your offended because Spanish speakers don't have to spend 5 minutes looking up how to order a pizza online so you say its discrimination. You sir are the idiot, well maybe not a idiot you seem like a senseable person, but you really seem to have a problem against Mexicans or native Spanish speakers.

The analogy I gave was misunderstood, but for that I accept the fault. My intent with using 'someone who cannot walk' was not to draw a parallel to a paraplegic who will never walk (shame on all who think so negatively, damn), but merely to indicate one with a handicap. They can still get where they need to, but with greater effort. But as I said, maybe 'someone with a broken leg' may have been not so misunderstood? (moving on...)

Anyway, I did read the whole thing and people seem to be confusing what discrimination is, and instead are focused on the severity of it; justifying that it is NOT discriminating if only it's not too 'bad'. I will agree, its not the worst discriminating offense in the world, but it is STILL discrimination, by definition. What's ironic here is by extension, so is your coupon analogy to those that do not buy a paper, or get them by other means (NOT everyone, then has an equal chance unless the store MAKES them available at the door, which many do to avoid the accusation I suspect, or just to make customers happy).

Lastly, I assure you I have no problems with Spanish speakers of any kind (I have a few in my immediate family). If this was Wienerschnitzel giving away free Bratwurst to people ordering in German, my sentiments would be the same; they can do it, it's their business, but it is a form of discrimination, however small.

What a terrible analogy. Anybody can look up how to order a pizza in another language in a matter of minutes. Paraplegics can't magically start walking again.

You can nit-pick the choices in the analogy all you want, however the point is still the point. You can pick juggling if it helps you sleep at night. Don't be such a bleeding heart you look a dumb ass by missing the point. Discrimination is discrimination.

Except, it isn't discrimination. Juggling is a skill that takes years to hone. Would you really be upset if a business decided to give free food for a competent juggling performance?

Hell, the other night I got a free drink from a bartender because I played a song on my sax. Going by your new juggling analogy, that would be discrimination?

No, that's called 'bartering' (you gave a performance, he gave you a drink). And don't try to say they are 'bartering' with Spanish, that's just stupid. Giving something 'free' simply because someone can do SOMETHING and refuse to someone who can't is to treat your customers differently (preferentially) and is by definition, 'discrimination'. If you can't get that through your thick skull, I suggest you get a dictionary, and learn something.

My point of contention is that anyone who has the wherewithal to order a pizza, is also able to do so in Spanish. So, not really discrimination.

Dictionary.com. You can try to justify your position all you want, it's still discriminating, whether you AGREE with it or NOT. and I would also disagree with you, not all people have the 'wherewithal' to order in Spanish. I know a few that can barely do the job in English, however we don't discriminate against them because of it in fact most places have laws that actually frown on it. But for some reason here, for a give-a-way, if it's a minority language, oh, well...that's OK! (sarcasm implied).

Look, bottom line; it's their business and as long as they aren't breaking any laws, they can do what they please. But please don't pee on my leg and call it a rain shower. When you have a group of people and you set a precedent that clearly gives one group an advantage over another, its called discrimination. (and if someone HAS to look up how to do a thing, the person who doesn't CLEARLY has the advantage). What you are trying to say is that there is nothing unfair about it, that is NOT what I am saying, I am saying it is discrimination. I believe it is 'foul' because it is discrimination, and you disagree, and that's fine, but it does not change the fact that it is STILL discrimination.

I'm with you! The pizza company states their intent is to bond with Hispanics, not just anyone who can look up Spanish. That's the problem with the issue. Why should anyone have to look anything up? The pizza company is making it a racial issue, not anyone else. In this world, discrimination is called "White"... in any other ethnic group, its called "Okay".

But then if they include a bus ticket back to Mexico..........................

What does Mexico have to do with it? You know there are other people in the world, WAIT, country that speak Spanish.

It's a private business. Why should it matter?

"Una pizza con pepperoni, por favor."

well, let me see....didn't they bring charges against a philly subshop awhile ago for telling it's customers they'd only serve them if they spoke english....pretty much the same thing.

Except the restaurant isn't refusing service to anyone. Pretty big difference there.

except its not because you can still get food if you order in English. Not just Spanish.

Private business can't discriminate while hiring...why should they be allowed to discriminate in stores as well? They used to do that before you know....

That's the thing, though. Pizza Patron doesn't have a "No Gringos" or "No Ingleesh" signs.

Hell, as soon as you're about to enter the chain there is a sign reminding you of the magic words for the free pizza. You're not going to invoke some kind of evil spirit for saying "Pizza, por favor".

It wasn't the signs that made it wrong, it was the intent and actions. This held true back then, and it holds true today.

So the intent/act of making you speak another language for a free pizza is discriminating? I honestly don't see that as being anything similar to barring blacks from your restaurant.

Look, not to be offensive, but the obvious is obvious, and I'm tired of trying to explain the obvious. Have a good night.

It isn't obvious, obviously. I understand discrimination. "Speak Spanish or I wont serve you" is discrimination "speak-ah da language-ah for a free pizza" is not discrimination. Unless the argument is against effort.

Explain how a business can give discounts to servicemen, veterans, and police officers. Is that discrimination or a business' right? How about discounts/perks for those who wear a teams jersey?

There's no official language, neither in business, law, or public atmosphere. It's just a dignity issue. I wont complain over a free pizza. The instructions on how to acquire the pizza are even on the door in English for you to read.

Must they rub it in, why we need an "English as official language" declaration?

If immigrants want to be welcome in OUR country, shouldn't they be learning English? How is this anything better than RUDE? If they don't want to respect our country, they should go back to Mexico or whatever hole they came from.

Well, Pizza Patron isn't owned by illegals. I don't even think the owner is hispanic.

We can't have the deceleration because England already did it. Remember, English is about as American as earl grey tea. English is as American as the Dominicans we recruit to play on our baseball teams.

very stinky

My knee jerk reaction would be to refuse to patronize that establishment.

That would probably be because you're not their base.

Yup. I'm sure they totally wouldn't give a damn. It just bugs me. Like when I'm watching English TV, and a Spanish commercial comes on. What the hell?????? That pisses me off too. Or when I get literature and it's ONLY in spanish. I can live with bilingual - but only spanish???

As I've said before, if I moved to mexico, I'd learn spanish. If I moved to germany, I'd learn german. I would not expect to be catered to in english, and while I'd be very grateful if someone were to help me as I struggled, I'd make every effort to fit in to my new country, and I'd never expect my new country to cater to me.