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Palestinian Leader: Romney’s Israel Comments Were 'Racist': Agree?

Heisenberg 2012/07/30 20:00:00
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ABCNEWS.GO.COM reports:
GDANSK, Poland – A top Palestinian aide accused Mitt Romney today of making a “racist statement” when comparing the economic vitality of the Israelis and the Palestinians, but the Romney campaign said his remarks were “grossly mischaracterized.” Romney’s statement, the Palestinian said, appeared to credit Israel’s higher income to cultural differences. “It is a racist statement and this man doesn’t realize that the Palestinian economy cannot reach its potential because there is an Israeli occupation,” Saeb Erekat, a senior aide to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, told the Associated Press. “It seems to me this man (Romney) lacks information, knowledge, vision and understanding of this region and its people.
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  • Heisenberg 2012/07/30 17:10:16
    No, they weren't racist.
    Heisenberg
    +23
    Since both Jews and Arabs are Semites, I don't see a racial component.

    If the Palestinian Authority spent more time promoting the free market system and less time trying to kill people, then maybe the Arabs would have a better life.

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  • JAA Liberty... 2012/08/02 22:00:15 (edited)
    JAA
    Generally speaking, dufus, when we discuss anti-Semitism, MOST people know that we are referring to the Jew. Only the ill-informed, Muslims, the Islamic terrorists, or person trying to score points or get high-fives from others will say differently.

    Anti-Semitism: "The belief or behavior hostile toward Jews just because they are Jewish. It may take the form of religious teachings that proclaim the inferiority of Jews, for instance, or political efforts to isolate, oppress, or otherwise injure them. It may also include prejudiced or stereotyped views about Jews." http://www.adl.org/hate-patro...

    Wikipedia: "Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage. In a 2005 U.S. governmental report, antisemitism is defined as "hatred toward Jews—individually and as a group—that can be attributed to the Jewish religion and/or ethnicity." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
  • JAA Michael S. 2012/08/02 22:09:33
    JAA
    "As a side note, I love how you're the one vociferously arguing in favor of Jewish "racial" supremacy, particularly over Palestinians (primarily Arabs), yet I'm the one who's a bigot...wonderful." Correct.
  • Michael S. JAA 2012/08/02 23:35:37
    Michael S.
    The hypocrisy just doesn't register with you?
  • JAA Michael S. 2012/08/02 23:41:09
    JAA
    Nope. ;-)
  • Michael S. JAA 2012/08/02 23:41:55
    Michael S.
    +1
    I see.
  • JAA Michael S. 2012/08/02 23:42:36
    JAA
    Finally!!
  • johnqpu... JAA 2012/08/06 17:03:36
    johnqpublic
    +1
    And there are none so blind as those who will NOT see. You insist on perpetuating the right wing stereotype. And you succeed!!!
  • JAA johnqpu... 2012/08/06 19:14:17 (edited)
    JAA
    Thank you! I'm taking your last two sentences as a complement.
  • johnqpu... Michael S. 2012/08/06 16:59:54
    johnqpublic
    +1
    What did you expect from the self righteous right? JAA does everything to perpetuate the right wing stereotype.
  • Michael S. johnqpu... 2012/08/06 19:55:40 (edited)
    Michael S.
    +1
    I know not to expect much of bellicose partisans in general, but I try not to write people off until they've proven they truly cannot be reasoned with. I imagine most of us were ardently, unconditionally pro-Israel at one point or another (a hazard of upbringing), so many of us required a good bit of prodding before we faced our cognitive dissonance head on.
  • mblack 2012/08/01 22:21:50 (edited)
    Yes, they were racist.
    mblack
    +5
    Racist: a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.



    By definition Romney's comments were racist. He basically said the Israeli culture is better than Palestinian culture and as a result Israel is better off. He neglects to realize a whole slew of variables that play into Israel having a higher GDP. For one, Palestinians have no power to control their own trade or borders since they live in occupied territory. duh. Race, ethnicity, and culture are sometimes used to describe the same things. Romney's team chose the word culture because race and ethnicity did not fit well. There is no mischaracterizing his words. Perhaps miscalculated but not mischaracterized.
  • Michael S. mblack 2012/08/01 22:46:48 (edited)
    Michael S.
    +1
    Although I disagree with your point about racism, I still had to rave this simply because of your excellent point about how powerless Palestinians are over their economic development when they're locked into occupied territory. Not only do they have political difficulties with trade, but economic development requires formal ownership to encourage investment in capital goods, and that is constantly under threat due to the Israeli government's complete disregard for any Palestinian's personal ownership of...practically any resources of value.
  • mblack Michael S. 2012/08/01 23:02:23
    mblack
    +1
    There was no answer for ignoramus or culturalist. I can see how some people in a foreign land would call what he said racist or some other related term.
  • Michael S. mblack 2012/08/01 23:31:55
    Michael S.
    +1
    That's fair enough. I guess I'm just hesitant to use the word "racist" except when it applies in the strictest sense, since it's so overused and abused for political reasons.
  • JAA mblack 2012/08/02 03:09:17
    JAA
    It's a fact that there ARE races that are superior to others. That's why "survival of the fittest" has worked throughout the centuries. The operative word in that definition is "prejudiced". Israelis (Jews) ARE superior to most races & why they are so hated. The prejudice, racism & bigotry mainly comes from those that hate Israel so much that they wish their death & destruction.
  • mblack JAA 2012/08/02 03:26:19
    mblack
    +1
    How are Jews superior? Not in physical strength, not intellectually, did you forget the holocaust? I think they are most hated because they are protected God. They also suffered at the hands of the nazi because they don't believe Jesus is the son of God. I will say there are races the have superior attributes over others but one is not totally superior than another.
  • JAA mblack 2012/08/02 03:32:22 (edited)
    JAA
    +1
    Yes, they are superior intellectually (why do you think Hitler was jealous of them & hated them so?), economically, culturally, and they are wonderfully caring & helpful people. Israel was barren & in horrible shape when they came back to the land in the early 20th Century, yet it is fruitful & beautiful now. God has blessed them greatly as He promised (I'm speaking of True Jews). You have been hornswoggled by satan, their sworn enemy.
  • Liberty... JAA 2012/08/02 06:38:26
    LibertyCaroline
    +1
    Being "Jewish" is not a race, but rather a culture. Jews are clearly not a race.
    Race is a genetic distinction, and refers to people with shared ancestry and shared genetic traits. You can't change your race; it's in your DNA. I could never become black or Asian no matter how much I might want to.
    Common ancestry is not required to be a Jew. Many Jews worldwide share common ancestry, as shown by genetic research; however, you can be a Jew without sharing this common ancestry, for example, by converting. Thus, although I could never become black or Asian, blacks and Asians have become Jews
  • JAA Liberty... 2012/08/02 21:06:58 (edited)
    JAA
    IT IS A RELIGION, yes, in that Judaism is a belief system with ritual and practice, and an underlying philosophy aimed at a connection to the divine and an adherence to divine command, but IT IS A RACE in that membership in the system (even without belief!) is passed through a genetic connection -- you cannot choose not to be Jewish if you are born in. However, because Judaism recognizes conversion (e.g., Messianic Jews or True Jew), the religion cannot be purely racial (you cannot convert to another race). Therefore, IT it is easiest to say that IT IS A RELIGION WITH A RACIAL/GENETIC COMPONENT.
  • Liberty... JAA 2012/08/02 21:29:12
    LibertyCaroline
    lol...Right...My birth name was, Honigmann, can you tell me my race based on my maiden name?
  • JAA Liberty... 2012/08/02 22:04:18
    JAA
    ???? What does your maiden name have to do with what I told you? Do you know ANYTHING about Jewish history?
  • Michael S. JAA 2012/08/02 06:44:50
    Michael S.
    +1
    If you're going to make a strong positive claim of racial superiority, could you please cite a body of repeated non-biased empirical studies which properly isolate the variable under question and demonstrate not only intellectual genetic superiority, but superiority to such a striking degree that it would fully account for the vastly different living conditions of Israelis and Palestinians? Please note that their economic conditions are so vastly different that a hypothetical 5% or so average IQ difference (for instance) could not be reasonably pinpointed as the cause.
  • JAA Michael S. 2012/08/02 21:48:25 (edited)
    JAA
    I probably could "cite a body of repeated non-biased empirical studies which properly isolate the variable under question and demonstrate not only intellectual genetic superiority, but superiority to such a striking degree that it would fully account for the vastly different living conditions of Israelis and Palestinians," but I'm not going to for a number of reasons. I've already done my dissertation during my doctoral program & don't feel like writing another one for your edification, only for you to deny what I wrote anyway. I would undoubtedly be wasting my time (been there, done that).

    I would recommend you to doing your own objective & critical research. There are volumes of books on the subject. That will undoubtedly lead you to the truths you need in order to realize there are two sides to every story associated with the Israeli-Arab conflict, those of the Jews & those of the Palestinians & Arabs, & somewhere in between is the truth. Best wishes!!
  • Michael S. JAA 2012/08/02 23:12:40
    Michael S.
    So, basically, I ask you to support your arguments, and...nope, nothing. Good job.
  • JAA Michael S. 2012/08/02 23:41:27
    JAA
    Thank you! ;-)
  • Michael S. JAA 2012/08/02 23:42:13
    Michael S.
    +1
    You're welcome.
  • brian.s... JAA 2012/08/02 16:09:46
    brian.southworth.921
    Wow. I am speechless.
  • JAA brian.s... 2012/08/02 23:43:02
    JAA
    Why am I not surprised?
  • JAA mblack 2012/08/02 03:08:34
    JAA
    +1
    It's a fact that there ARE races that are superior to others. That's why "survival of the fittest" has worked throughout the centuries. The operative word in that definition is "prejudiced". Israelis (Jews) ARE superior to most races & why they are so hated. The prejudice, racism & bigotry mainly comes from those that hate Israel so much that they wish their death & destruction.
  • alun.pa... JAA 2012/08/02 09:22:44
    alun.palmer
    There is a grain of truth in what you say, but no more than that. There is evidence that whites have higher IQs than blacks, but also that Asians have higher IQs than whites, ON AVERAGE. Am I smarter than most black college professors? I am pretty smart, but I doubt it. Am I smarter than my secretary, who happens to be Asian? Yes, I think I am. Jews place great emphasis on education, but I have heard no evidence that they have higher IQs than other whites. Palestians hate Jews because you took their land from them, not because they think you are better than they are. It is a pretty good reason, so you brought that upon yourselves. Even if we assumed you were smarter than them, which I don't believe, that doesn't make your culture better, which is what Mitt the Twit said, so it is in fact racist after all.
  • alun.pa... alun.pa... 2012/08/02 09:25:39
    alun.palmer
    And one more thing, my IQ is well above average, but that does not make me BETTER than someone with a lower IQ. I am not BETTER than our pet cats, and I am sure they are not very bright, but they have many admirable qualities that we could learn from.
  • JAA alun.pa... 2012/08/02 21:26:32 (edited)
    JAA
    I don't believe I mentioned "IQ" as being paramount in importance to one being more "superior" to another. I am glad, however, that you are able to learn from your pets, but it is sad to think that you believe yourself to be "not BETTER" (as a species) than your pet cat. Perhaps you cannot purr as well, catch a rodent or bird, jump as efficiently, or even lick your private parts, but I can assure you that you ARE "better", lol. The soul & human brain are wondrous things!! ;-)
  • JAA alun.pa... 2012/08/02 21:15:11 (edited)
    JAA
    First, I AM NOT A "JEW". I AM A "CHRISTIAN". I was born in Akron, Ohio by Irish immigrants & transplanted to Texas when I was 2 yrs old. I took no land from anyone, nor have a discriminated against anyone. Your assumption is born of ignorance & common assumption that just because someone elevates another person or group, then they must be of that group. Wrong. My beliefs come from years of experience, study, and understanding of Israel, Jews & True Jews.

    Liberals think that we should all be "equal" & that "equality" is a "right" under the Constitution. That couldn't be further from the truth. As you noted, someone will always be dumber or smarter than another, more physically fit, less physically fit, have better vision, need glasses, more creative, less motivated, etc.

    Jews TEND to be superior because the DO TEND to work harder, & as you noted they value education & self-reliance. They TEND to be very socially responsible (more so than most cultures or races), & they have traditionally, as a group, had to endure more racism, bigotry, hatred, persecution, and torture than most of us, deserved or not.

    Pain, suffering & adversity changes each of us, for better or worse, but change it does. For most Jews, the change has been positive. They have traditionally risen above adversi...&&
    First, I AM NOT A "JEW". I AM A "CHRISTIAN". I was born in Akron, Ohio by Irish immigrants & transplanted to Texas when I was 2 yrs old. I took no land from anyone, nor have a discriminated against anyone. Your assumption is born of ignorance & common assumption that just because someone elevates another person or group, then they must be of that group. Wrong. My beliefs come from years of experience, study, and understanding of Israel, Jews & True Jews.

    Liberals think that we should all be "equal" & that "equality" is a "right" under the Constitution. That couldn't be further from the truth. As you noted, someone will always be dumber or smarter than another, more physically fit, less physically fit, have better vision, need glasses, more creative, less motivated, etc.

    Jews TEND to be superior because the DO TEND to work harder, & as you noted they value education & self-reliance. They TEND to be very socially responsible (more so than most cultures or races), & they have traditionally, as a group, had to endure more racism, bigotry, hatred, persecution, and torture than most of us, deserved or not.

    Pain, suffering & adversity changes each of us, for better or worse, but change it does. For most Jews, the change has been positive. They have traditionally risen above adversity when those around them fall apart and become victims, blaming others for their lot in life. These values and physical, emotional, mental & spiritual fortitude DO make that culture "better" than most, generally speaking. There is no other secular reason for the hatred, jealousy & bigotry that is directed toward Jews, particularly True Jews. When we ask anti-Semites why they hate Jews so, most cannot come up with a logical answer: they just do.
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  • mblack JAA 2012/08/02 10:04:59
    mblack
    +1
    You speak in platitudes and you are not able to qualify your beliefs.
  • JAA mblack 2012/08/02 21:27:35 (edited)
    JAA
    Platitudes? Why be insulting? What have I done to you personally? Also, how do you know that I am "not able to qualify" my beliefs? It's very disheartening to try to carry on conversations with others who resort to ad hominems & who make assumptions based on information not yet in evidence. Another poster assumed I was a Jew & began making accusations about who & what I am, another making an anti-Semitic slur against me. I find this abhorrent and showing a lack of good breeding.
  • mblack JAA 2012/08/03 04:28:25
    mblack
    Yes, platitudes. You say Jews are superior but really don't specify how. It's like America's obsession with supporting Israel because it make them feel more spiritual.
  • JAA mblack 2012/08/03 16:29:28 (edited)
    JAA
    Considering that the Jewish people constitute a mere one half of one percent of the world's population, Jewish contribution to religion, science, literature, music, medicine, finance, philosophy, entertainment etc., is staggering.

    Look at Israel before the Jews became a state in 1948. Now, go back & look at Israel now. They took a barren, desolate & fairly abandoned land & turned it into an oasis, opened to all but Islamic terrorists. They even allow Palestinians & other Arabs live within their city's boundaries. They are traditionally bankers, lawyers, teachers, etc., requiring higher IQs. They have been to hell and back with holocausts & anti-Semitic hate speech & violence, & yet do not harbor hatred & vengeance. As a group, they have not played up the "victim" role, & have even thrived after their persecutions. They are a very charitable group of people, just like a majority of people of the USA.

    That's a start. All you have to do is Google or (and this is profound, I know), actually live around some Jewish people and get to know them.
  • lisa 2012/08/01 20:09:15
  • Michael S. lisa 2012/08/01 22:34:36 (edited)
    Michael S.
    +4
    ...wtf? Palestinians never harbored Osama bin Laden. That was Pakistan...our "ally" Pakistan, much like Osama and most of the 9/11 hijackers came from our "ally" Saudi Arabia. Maybe you should actually learn something about the region before you form strong prejudicial opinions about entire nations of people?
  • rich Michael S. 2012/08/02 01:29:30
    rich
    +2
    Thank you!

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