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Our Founding Fathers were NOT Deists by David Barton

Annette 2010/12/29 01:54:29
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Our Founding
Fathers Were Not Deists
- A Study of Their Writings Proves
They Believed in God and Were Promoters of Christianity


The writings of several of the most notable Founding
Fathers indicates they believed in God and were promoters of
Christianity. For purposes of this article, just three will be
discussed: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin
Franklin.

By dictionary definition, deists, atheists, and
agnostics are synonymous and include those who believe there is no
God at all; those who believe there is no way to know if God exists;
and those who believe in a distant, impersonal creator of the
universe.

George Washington. According to David
Barton, author and historian, Washington was an open promoter of
Christianity. During a five-year period, between 1778 and 1783, there
are no less than three significant events in which he openly referred
to his belief in Christ or support of Christianity. On May 2, 1778,
at Valley Forge he told his soldiers that in addition to having the
character of patriots, "it should be our highest glory to add
the more distinguished character of Christian." In a speech on
May 12, 1779, he said that what children needed to learn was the
"religion of Jesus Christ," which would make them "greater
and happier than they already are." And on June 8, 1783, when he
resigned as commander in chief of the military, he said that "without
a humble imitation" of "the Divine Author of our blessed
religion" we "can never hope to be a happy nation."

Thomas
Jefferson
. Although many claim Jefferson was a deist, David
Barton has found otherwise. In an article he wrote for WallBuilders,
Barton reports that Jefferson said of himself: "I am a real
Christian, that is
to say, a disciple
of the doctrines of Jesus Christ." It's true that when Jefferson
drew up a collection of scripture passages entitled "The Life
and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth," he left out all miraculous
events of Jesus in this so-called bible. However, Jefferson did not
intend this work to be a bible, but a primer for the Indians on the
teachings of Christ. In compiling this work, Jefferson took the "red
letter" parts of the New Testament and published them as a means
of introducing the Indians to Christian morality. And it was
Jefferson who, as the president of the U.S., signed a treaty with the
Kaskaskia Indians that made it possible to send Christian
missionaries to the Indians.

Benjamin
Franklin
. According to Barton, Franklin is far from the definition of a deist. In his article, Barton says
that in Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in
Pennsylvania, he insisted that the schools teach "the necessity
of a public religion...and the excellency of the Christian religion
above all others, ancient or modern." In 1787, Franklin helped
found a college, which was dedicated as "a nursery of religion
and learning" built "on Christ, the Corner-Stone."
Barton's article also states: Consider that "Franklin proposed a
biblical inscription for the Seal of the United States; that he chose
a New Testament verse for the motto of the Philadelphia Hospital; and
that he was one of the chief voices behind the establishment of a
paid chaplain in Congress." David Barton is an author and
historian who has extensively studied the beliefs of our Founding
Fathers. As a result of his studies, he says that anyone who believes
our Founding Fathers were deists is mistaken and hasn't spent enough
time reading the writings of the Fathers to accurately understand
their religious beliefs.

PS: These same truths can
be found in a book entitled "The Christian Life and Character of
the Civil Institutions of the United States" by Benjamin A.
Morris.
I probably will have very little to say aside from what
these two men have to show us on the subject due to the magnitude of
documented beliefs of these men as expressed in the construction of
the Declaration of Independence and the framing of our Constitution.

Enjoy - this is not open for argument. If you don't like
historical truth, please disregard and live in your own beliefs.
Thank you.

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  • Annette Wilde~M... 2011/06/19 22:55:12
    Annette
    Perhaps you should try reading The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institution of the United States and actually read the historical letters and documents written by our founding fathers. More like you're the hack than David Barton.
  • nightlight 2010/12/30 07:44:49
    nightlight
    +9
    "A study (conducted by religious nuts) of their writings (of the writings of the founding fathers) proves (was twisted and intentionally misinterpreted to prove) they believed in God and were promoters of Christianity ( in contadiction of the words of our founding fathers according to them).

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  • soyousay 2010/12/30 06:27:29
    soyousay
    +4
    "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."

    Source: Thomas Jefferson, "Religion" in Notes on the State of Virginia (1782), p. 286.


    "Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."

    Source: Letter of Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787.

    "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors."

    Source: Letter of Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, April 11, 1823.

    "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for h...




    "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."

    Source: Thomas Jefferson, "Religion" in Notes on the State of Virginia (1782), p. 286.


    "Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."

    Source: Letter of Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787.

    "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors."

    Source: Letter of Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, April 11, 1823.

    "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."

    Source: Letter of Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association, Connecticut, January 1, 1802.


    I could care less if they believed, what I care for is that they gave me the right to believe what ever I wish.
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  • BoomLover soyousay 2010/12/30 22:08:39
    BoomLover
    +1
    How many millions have been beheaded, burned alive, butchered, and otherwise terrorized by members of the "Peaceful" religion of Islam?
  • soyousay BoomLover 2011/01/03 06:56:39
    soyousay
    Maybe no religion is peaceful
  • chaoski... soyousay 2010/12/31 07:37:09
    chaoskitty123
    I myself have often attacked Christians for their wrongs in the past... but on this, you are wrong.

    Ever hear of a Wicker Man? Before the coming of Christians, millions were killed across Europe and, in fact, after the arrival of Christianity... local populations often boomed because the pagans were so violent they decimated themselves with warfare and human sacrifice. One reason we don't know about many of the ancient pre Christians is they exterminated themselves before a system of writing was introduced to record their existence. The Pagan Romans killed more people than all the Christians combined until this past century.

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    "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors."
    End Quote

    Ok, who is he speaking of when he says "and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." because the only ones mentioned here is Jesus, Minerva and Jupiter.

    ...

















    I myself have often attacked Christians for their wrongs in the past... but on this, you are wrong.

    Ever hear of a Wicker Man? Before the coming of Christians, millions were killed across Europe and, in fact, after the arrival of Christianity... local populations often boomed because the pagans were so violent they decimated themselves with warfare and human sacrifice. One reason we don't know about many of the ancient pre Christians is they exterminated themselves before a system of writing was introduced to record their existence. The Pagan Romans killed more people than all the Christians combined until this past century.

    Quote
    "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors."
    End Quote

    Ok, who is he speaking of when he says "and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." because the only ones mentioned here is Jesus, Minerva and Jupiter.

    In Jeffersons day, there was no separation of church and state. Hard to believe but to his dying day, there was no separation of church and state. You could even be killed for not believing in God because there were laws that allowed it as not believing in God was a capital offense.

    I in no way disagree with the separation of Church and State because it gives power to men like Jimmy Swaggert who even after he disgraced himself more than once, millions of his blind followers continued to follow... and if it weren't for the Separation of Church and State, this fanatic would have had actual power to create and enforce law over us. The Separation of Church and State is what gave power to secular leaders we the people elected to power. but in recent years, the political left has been doing things that are playing with fire such as declaring that a preacher inside a church can be found guilty of hate speech even inside the church... that also violates the Separation of Church and State which in turn empowers Christian leaders and is having a backlash.

    The Separation of Church and State is not a one way street and if Christian priests and preachers are supposed to stay out of politics... then the state is supposed to stay out of the churches.

    Then there's this part of Jeffersons second comment...

    Quote
    I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
    End Quote

    The American people had no say in this... the American people probably didn't even know this was made part of the new government and it's laws until a generation after it was written. It's a bold faced lie and it's a bad quote to use by Jefferson in this regard because the vast majority of Americans in Jeffersons time were rural and if you know anything about the pony express, you know it came about because the vast majority of people in the US could go weeks, months and even years without knowing what was going on in Washington DC. Elections would have been the same if it weren't for state leadership keeping in contact... but the average person didn't learn of things for quite some time and many Americans didn't even know about the Constitution itself which was another contributor to the US Civil War as many Americans thought we were still living under the Articles of Confederation.

    They did give you the right to believe whatever you want... so are you an Atheist? The political left attacks Christians with so much anger and hate you'd think all leftwingers were Atheists... in fact, that's exactly what many extreme leftwingers claim. Truth is, millions of Liberals are Christians and maybe half the Democratic Party... so who are these Atheist leftwingers attacking when they are attacking Christians... it's not just the political right and it's yet another reason why when the Democrats gain too much power, they tend to split against themselves and self destruct.

    And Boomlover below makes a good point and I'll double it... why are Liberals siding with Muslims while attacking Christians when thousands of women and girls are stoned to death in the Muslim world, thousands of gays and basically anyone in the Muslim world can be killed for nothing more than being too Western... they're even more rightwing than Christians and while Christians have done things in the past as you rightly point out, Islams still doing it and if you were in Iran speaking as you do now... you'd probably be stoned to death or shot for it. Christians may say things you don't like... but they have the right to speak and the right to believe what they like just as you say you do. But in Islam, people like you are being killed and the political left instead of condemning these violations of human rights... instead seems to do nothing but praise Islam as a religion of peace while condemning the Christians of hate and violence of which most of it is in the past.

    We can't undo what was done to people long dead... but we can change what is happening to the still living. I thought this was a Liberal view, but over the past several years... it just seems that hate for the political right has totally blinded the left so they cast aside their own beliefs and become more ignorant in the doing of it.
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  • Annette soyousay 2011/01/03 15:35:02
    Annette
    +2
    You, and many others like you, would like to portray Jefferson as non-religious, and in so doing you use the same quote, but you are failing to see the meaning of that quote taking it to say he questioned God and that others should too "because he did not believe in him." Jefferson did nt such thing. What he is saying is that if there be a God, and he did believe that there is indeed a God, or he would never have said "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever," one should question to make sure of their belief. This holds true even in Scripture where it says we are to study to show ourselves approved, workmen who need not be ashamed, handling correctly the word of truth. Again in Acts it says "Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to determine that these things were so."
    Next, you have to read what he is truly saying about Jesus. He believed the birth to be a fable - but not Jesus himself, because he states in the last of the sentence that he hopes for restoration to the doctrines of this most "venerated reformer of human errors."
    If Christ was nothing else, he was one who venerated human errors. One ...


    You, and many others like you, would like to portray Jefferson as non-religious, and in so doing you use the same quote, but you are failing to see the meaning of that quote taking it to say he questioned God and that others should too "because he did not believe in him." Jefferson did nt such thing. What he is saying is that if there be a God, and he did believe that there is indeed a God, or he would never have said "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever," one should question to make sure of their belief. This holds true even in Scripture where it says we are to study to show ourselves approved, workmen who need not be ashamed, handling correctly the word of truth. Again in Acts it says "Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to determine that these things were so."
    Next, you have to read what he is truly saying about Jesus. He believed the birth to be a fable - but not Jesus himself, because he states in the last of the sentence that he hopes for restoration to the doctrines of this most "venerated reformer of human errors."
    If Christ was nothing else, he was one who venerated human errors. One needs only study the Gospels to understand how much the priests and pharisees of that time tried to twist and distort the scripture. The very least you should do is look into what he is truly saying instead of taking for face value that it means he did not believe in God. It is a shame that so many people even in this day and age want so much to discredit God that they will even try to twist the words of those who solidly believed in him.
    Here is what the scripture says of such as yourself: Isaiah 6:9-13
    “Go and say to this people: ‘You keep listening, but do not comprehend; keep looking, but do not understand.’ 10Make the mind of this people dull, and stop their ears, and shut their eyes, so that they may not look with their eyes, and listen with their ears, and comprehend with their minds, and turn and be healed.” 11Then I said, “How long, O Lord?” And he said: “Until cities lie waste without inhabitant, and houses without people, and the land is utterly desolate; 12until the Lord sends everyone far away, and vast is the emptiness in the midst of the land. 13Even if a tenth part remain in it, it will be burned again, like a terebinth or an oak whose stump remains standing when it is felled.”
    To you and all those of like mind as you, you are above all to be pitied for your lack of comprehension and unbelief. The prayers of the faithful go out to you that you might come to a knowledge of the truth of God's love and mercy toward you.
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  • lalouis... Annette 2011/01/03 17:49:00
    lalouisiane
    +1
    Well said!!!
  • texasred 2010/12/30 05:49:16
    texasred
    +4
    "Most of the fifty-five Founding Fathers who worked on the Constitution were members of orthodox Christian churches and many were even evangelical Christians. The first official act in the First Continental Congress was to open in Christian prayer, which ended in these words: "...the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, our Savior. Amen". Sounds Christian to me."

    http://www.afn.org/~govern/Ch...
  • lee texasred 2010/12/30 12:35:41
    lee
    +5
    The KKK opens each of it meetings with prayer, the Nazi's of Germany were prayerful "Christians", one is not a Christian because one prays.
  • wtxwoman lee 2010/12/30 22:54:42
  • Isma'ila (God has heard)! 2010/12/30 05:26:10
    Isma'ila (God has heard)!
    +1
    Amen to that!
  • Tea in the Harbor 2010/12/30 05:17:28 (edited)
  • whitebear62 2010/12/30 05:14:54 (edited)
    whitebear62
    +2
    I object to the Term Historical Truth. As far as the info you shared, I will gladly take it as history for the time being unless or until it is proven incorrect. History is open to interpretation and should constantly be re-examined as we uncover new data. I object to your use of single source to make a point when there are many histories of worth and many say conflicting things. We count as "History" those things that seem, by repitition or reputation, to be the consensus of viewpoints. I am not myself Christian (was formerly) but I can pass along as good advice, many Christian values.
  • Nisa PinkySwear(*~*) 2010/12/30 04:55:16
    Nisa PinkySwear(*~*)
    +4
    OK...just because they promoted it doesnt mean they were Christan. A deist they believe in parts of Christianity. If this is not up for argument then why did you post it smarty?
  • MegaFortunateSon 2010/12/30 04:43:16 (edited)
    MegaFortunateSon
    +4
    The reason people came to America in the first place was to escape religious persecution...so what does it matter that they were christians or not. Remember this just because someone believes something doesnt make it true.
  • Steven 2010/12/30 04:22:17
    Steven
    +3
    Apparently you don't know anything about the treaty of tripoli. John Adams was a founding father. Andrew Jackson was considered a founding father of politics. He was very religious especially after his term was up. However he refused to initiate a day of prayer and fasting when the nation was struck with cholera. Andrew Jackson was older than the United States as an independent country. He was also in military combat against the U.K. The country was founded by people seeking religious freedom! On the principles of "All men are created equal! George Washington wasn't the only founding father who wanted freedom for black slaves. Before the country could have it's independence, releasing slaves was against the law because we were a British colony. So, all men were created equal, we all have equal rights (or should) regardless of race, religion, and sexual orientation. The reason slaves were not given their freedom earlier was because of the lazy southerners. The southerners tended to be people from the outskirts of Britian, cultures who at the time hadn't discovered indoor plumbing yet. Southerners did not make bridges, we were lucky of they made crude fords. They had 40% of the cows in the states, but only made 2% of the butter at a way inferior quality. They were not welcome i...
    Apparently you don't know anything about the treaty of tripoli. John Adams was a founding father. Andrew Jackson was considered a founding father of politics. He was very religious especially after his term was up. However he refused to initiate a day of prayer and fasting when the nation was struck with cholera. Andrew Jackson was older than the United States as an independent country. He was also in military combat against the U.K. The country was founded by people seeking religious freedom! On the principles of "All men are created equal! George Washington wasn't the only founding father who wanted freedom for black slaves. Before the country could have it's independence, releasing slaves was against the law because we were a British colony. So, all men were created equal, we all have equal rights (or should) regardless of race, religion, and sexual orientation. The reason slaves were not given their freedom earlier was because of the lazy southerners. The southerners tended to be people from the outskirts of Britian, cultures who at the time hadn't discovered indoor plumbing yet. Southerners did not make bridges, we were lucky of they made crude fords. They had 40% of the cows in the states, but only made 2% of the butter at a way inferior quality. They were not welcome in the north because they were crackers = braggarts who tended to get into duels if someone dissed them. And often these duels were called down and dirty which included the removal of ears or noses bitten off, eyes gouged out, or castration from being grabbed and torn off. There was nothing civilized about this. And simply put these people felt it was their position to be lazy and that negro's were inferior to them so they should be the ones to do slave labor. They simply didn't want to give up their slaves because they were lazy. Their false justifications after the fact were that they wanted equal representation in the senate and in congress. The fact of the matter is the south was seeking succession before Andrew Jackson was in office. The south was taking liberties with the money of the people in the bank to fortify themselves. When Andrew Jackson redistributed the banks money to the banks of the states, an assassination attempt was made on Jackson. The would be assassin drew a pistol and fired 6' from the President. The cap ignited but not the powder. The assassin drew his second pistol and fired, and the same thing happened. This was truly a miracle and divine intervention because the odds of this happening are astounding! So conservatives will try to convince you that we were founded on one religion. Witches were burned during British rule (however this may and probably happened in small communities living with their own rules just like the west had it's own justice. After our independence you had protestants, Presbyterian (Andrew Jackson was born of), Episcopal (George Washington was one), not to mention the colonies were initially quakers and pilgrims. Part of justifying slavery initially was because negro's were not Christian's, they were considered infidels just like the Muslims back then, who currently refer to us as "infidels". The Spanish justified capturing "Indians" native Americans, because they were infidels, and if they wouldn't convert they would be killed. That primitive notion changed in the colonies and was simply tolerated because it was the way of the times. And that it would of been abolished earlier (regardless if the negro's were Christians, or pagan's) because the priority was the preservation of the Union.
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  • Redskin 2010/12/30 04:22:10
  • nightlight Redskin 2010/12/30 05:47:56
    nightlight
    The native Americans of North America were not the founding fathers of anything.
    They had been in North America for a very long time before the English settlers came, had only lived separately from each others tribe and often engaged in wars with them, and had done nothing to create a country.
  • Redskin nightlight 2010/12/30 05:56:48
  • nightlight Redskin 2010/12/30 06:42:13
    nightlight
    To repeat an original, unfounded claim is not to furnish a challenge to a refutation of it.
  • Redskin nightlight 2010/12/30 07:01:06
  • nightlight Redskin 2010/12/30 07:17:26
    nightlight
    America was founded by and made great by WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants)
  • Redskin nightlight 2010/12/30 07:22:08
  • nightlight Redskin 2010/12/30 07:34:13 (edited)
    nightlight
    So. You can't admit the truth. I understand.
  • Redskin nightlight 2010/12/30 22:51:06
  • nightlight Redskin 2010/12/31 16:59:47
    nightlight
    "A picture is worth a thousand words".
    Even if every one of them is a lie.
  • Redskin nightlight 2010/12/31 18:24:17
  • nightlight Redskin 2010/12/31 23:30:02
    nightlight
    Silly, infantile pictures already?
    Well, I guess that's what people like you do when you run out of words to say.
  • Redskin nightlight 2011/01/01 01:38:50
  • nightlight Redskin 2011/01/01 02:13:27
    nightlight
    Thanks for proving my point.
  • Redskin nightlight 2011/01/01 02:16:09
  • nightlight Redskin 2011/01/01 05:17:02 (edited)
    nightlight
    Nice Kodalith photo.
    Thanks for proving my point again.
  • Redskin nightlight 2011/01/01 08:19:29
  • nightlight Redskin 2011/01/02 13:33:17
    nightlight
    +1
    That only people with nothing intelligent to say reply with only silly pictures.
  • Redskin nightlight 2011/01/02 18:42:10
  • nightlight Redskin 2011/01/03 14:53:55
    nightlight
    +1
    Thanks for proving my point yet again.
  • Redskin nightlight 2011/01/03 17:57:28
  • antiteaparty 2010/12/30 04:18:19
    antiteaparty
    +5
    David Barton is a Joke. If you find yourself quoting that idiot you truly discredit yourself!
  • Marek antitea... 2010/12/31 07:06:20
    Marek
    +2
    Just because you declared it so?

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