Oreo's Gay Pride Cookie: Progressive or Inappropriate?

Dude, you sound like a broken record "Death defying fantasies" .. is that all you got? Don't you have any other material or anything factual? Be original and come with facts for goodness sake. That Atheist charm just lacks originality and knowledge, but then again, I'm talking to a person that tries to disprove a God that they believe isn't even there in the first place, so I guess you'd know all about "fantasies" wouldn't you? LOLOLOL!!!

Just because I believe in something doesn't mean I'm a bigot, and just because what you consider something "moral" doesn't mean that it is. All you have is insults because the truth is not in you. You slander, and allow emotion and opinion to guide your life yet reality and knowledge elude you. I do not deny death, it's very real ... on the contrary you deny it with a fantasy you made up and somehow convince yourself that two dudes having sex is right .. lol .. just a sick twisted mind set. Homosexuality is a perversion of sexual desires, but yet I'm delusional? .. lol .. Yea, Ok buddy .... good luck getting the butt smell off of you perv ... or are you still in the "closet?"







Get a clue chuckles ...

1) You want to talk about cherrypicking? That's exactly what I was pointing out to your friend. Go find those verses I mentioned in the Bible, and then come talk to me.
2) I was simply stating my opinion. Not making any judgements about others. Please, pray tell, where did I judge and condemn people as wrong for what they believe in? I'd really like to know, because, if I did, I honestly didn't mean to, and I am truly sorry. Is having my own beliefs a sin?
3) Every SINGLE branch of Christianity was formed because someone interpreted the Bible differently than their neighbor. Catholics, Anglicans, Protestants, Mormons, Lutherans, Baptists, you name it- all established because someone decided they had different beliefs. Are my beliefs not valid simply because they don't belong to an official sect of the Church?
4) Like I said in my second point, none of my comments are judgemental, at least not intentionally. I try by best not to judge people. I've gone through enough hardship in my life to know that there's no point to it. Please don't make claims that are obviously not true.

And "lol"? Really? Really. And are you insulting me because you know your argument is weak, or because that really is the best you can do? --> (I'm judging your argument- because it really IS weak and self-contradicting- not you. For all I know, you don't believe any of this and are simply debating for the sake of debating.)

One last time: please do not put words in my mouth, and please don't make claims that aren't true and are only intended as insults. Also, check the original context before you claim that something is being twisted because it is out of context. The Bible verses I mentioned? They're just as crazy when you read them in the Bible.

You need to clam down ... if you don't believe any of this is true, sit back and have a coke, man alive, relax! Don't talk smack if you don't want someone calling you out. So many #)'s .. lol ..

So by cherry picking Bible verses yourself to make your point, it shows how others do the same thing, but they are somehow wrong and you're right? ... lol ... No, really ... lol ...

Those "belief's" you claim aren't judgmental ..... are. You not only state how much you disbelieve God and the Bible, you take to another level by saying "The difference between you and me is that you believe that the Bible itself, the words printed on the paper, is timeless, sacred, and rigidly final. I, on the other hand, believe that the IDEAS and THEMES in the Bible are the only important things, and that, at this day and age, the stories and rules are only there to convey those themes and were only relevant at the time they were written." By comparing your "belief's" to rightagain's belief's the way you have, you have judged someone by your own belief's and opinions, instead of giving him the respect you love to give to homosexuals, and at the same time telling him his belief's are less realistic, and yours are some how more superior. If you don't think that's judgmental than I highly question your motives for replying in the first place.

And the branches of Christianity formed because of traditions, not interpretation. Don't confuse Catholicism with Protestantism. You are in desperate need of some studying.

You can say what you want about me, all your accusations are just smear tactics because you know I called you out and pin pointed your double talk ... so mock on Ms Tolerance ...

You lost the right to tell me to calm down when you started hurling unjust accusations at me. I, sitting here, am, in fact, perfectly calm. You, on the other hand, have continuously insulted me and claimed that my beliefs aren't valid. I'm actually quite enjoying myself. However, your concern is appreciated.

Just to be clear, when I refer to "Cherry-picking," I mean picking out specific verses from the Bible and using to them out of context. I have avoided doing this, and have in fact done extensive research on every verse that I have referred to just to make sure that I HAVEN'T done this.

On to the debate:

You said,

"Those "belief's" you claim aren't judgmental ..... are. (1) You not only state how much you disbelieve God and the Bible, you take to another level by saying "The difference between you and me... time they were written." (2) By comparing your "belief's" to rightagain's belief's the way you have, you have judged someone by your own belief's and opinions, (3) instead of giving him the respect you love to give to homosexuals, and at the same time telling him his belief's are less realistic, and yours are some how more superior. (4) If you don't think that's judgmental than I highly question your motives for replying in the first place."

I just... I'm sorry, this doesn't make much sense to me. Let me break this down (and I shall once again use numbers, because I'm trying to get my point across as succinctly as possible)...

Oh, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. However, please don't attempt to in any way twist the words you have already written.

(1) Because I stated my beliefs*, I am judging other's beliefs.

*i.e., as you stated, I "disbelieve God and the Bible." Although, I clearly did not say that. I actually said that my interpretation of the Bible is different from rightagain's. By saying that I don't believe in God or the Bible, you are telling me that my beliefs aren't legitimate.

(2) By stating the differences between my beliefs and rightagain's beliefs, I am judging rightagain's beliefs.

This is false. You continue to make claims against me that are not true. (By saying "This is false," I am stating a fact, not a judgment. This point in undeniable.)

(3) I never, not once, told rightagain that his beliefs were less realistic, or that my beliefs are superior. In fact, I was extremely respectful. All I did was compare our differing beliefs, and offer an example of my beliefs so that he and you might understand it better.

(4) I do not think it's judgmental, as I have very clearly explained in my previous three points. My motives for replying in the first place were to gain a more in-depth understanding of your perspective and to enjoy a healthy (in this case, not so healthy) debate on a topic I feel strongly about.

If I may offer a word of advice: a debate or argument such as this is improved by statements of opinion that are then backed up by facts and reason, not by accusations, claims, and insults meant only to hurt the opponent. If you disagree with this, then this discussion is over, and I will find a more intellectual person to talk with.

I don't know whether to laugh or be offended .. lol .. Do you ever consider finding out facts before you speak? Here's a free lesson in Christian theology, there's no such thing as a "pious gay follower of Christ." And wouldn't being "pious" mean black and white? That's what pious is right, following what God requires, a right and wrong way to live, and nothing in the middle? And what God requires is black and white, not grey.

Pious:

a : marked by or showing reverence for deity and devotion to divine worship b : marked by conspicuous religiosity
2
: sacred or devotional as distinct from the profane or secular : religious
3
: showing loyal reverence for a person or thing : dutiful
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a : marked by sham or hypocrisy b : marked by self-conscious virtue : virtuous
5
: deserving commendation : worthy

http://www.merriam-webster.co...

Now for the "pious" part of being a Christian and being homosexual:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

So, just from those two Christian verses (which there is plenty more condemning homosexuality) those who practice homosexuality are not only doing something wicked they will not enter Heaven either. This is what I meant by saying you should consider finding out facts before you speak, because God clearly condemns the homosexual life choice. The only things "pious" about homosexuality, is not being one. So your " gay pious friends" aren't really all that pious now are they, or were you intentionally lying in order to hear yourself speak or somehow ignorantly prove God wrong? .. lol ..

Bub-bye then until you have a working knowledge of theology ...

You do realize that that verse from 1 Corinthians condemns 99.9% of the human race? Let's see...

1. Sexually immoral- People who have or had sex a lot outside of wedlock and/or masturbate? That cuts out about 80% of the modern-day world population. And that's an extremely conservative estimate, since every adult was once a hormonal teenager. (I did my research on this. Please check multiple sources before you claim that I am making this up.)
2. Idolaters- Understandable. If someone's not Christian, why would they want to go to a Christian heaven when they die? But yeah, that's about two thirds of the world's population.
3. Male prostitutes- Um. How are male prostitutes different from female prostitutes? This is an example of sexism in the Bible; it implies that men make the conscious choice of sinning, while women are not capable of choice. ANYWAY, that's probably another few million.
4. Homosexual offenders- Average estimates of the number of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals in the world is about 10%.
5. Thieves- Does this include online piracy? In that case, the numbers would be astronomical. Let's say a conservative estimate of... five million.
6. Let's put the greedy and swindlers together- There are no surveys to measure this because there are no surveys that COULD measure this. This number is somewhere in the billions.
7. Drunkards- The same problem as #6.
8. Slanderers- Anyone who has told multiple lies. This effectively cuts out everyone else. Heaven must be a pretty lonely place.

BUT let's say, for the sake of arguing, that you are a model Christian who never lies, never masturbates, never steals, and is never greedy (for all I know, this could be true. In which case, good for you! I mean that truly.) Let's say that homosexuality is the only one that matters. In that case, I advise you to read this:

http://www.godhatesshrimp.com...

The entire thing, ESPECIALLY the bottom half.

Let me repeat that: the ENTIRE thing.

Please, do not scoff. Do not write it off as ridiculous simply because a) it uses humor to get its message across, or b) it offers a perspective on the situation that contradicts your own beliefs.

I also hope that you realize that any attempt to insult me DOES NOT, in fact, contribute to your argument, and that I am not in any way trying to insult, judge, or accuse you.

If you knew the Bible you would have saved yourself some time in writing all that because for those very reasons if why we need daily forgiveness from Christ. But so what? Don't change the subject because a lot of people in the world aren't perfect. The issue is homosexuality now isn't it? And that link you gave me has an biased agenda. I agree that people shouldn't hold up signs that say "God hates fags" like those evil Westboro Baptist's do, they are not holding true to the Word of God. But, don't let the disobedience confuse you, it's not just in Leviticus that God condemns homosexuality, and just because God used Paul to build up the church on earth doesn't mean God didn't speak through him. Why do pro-homosexual people always ask for a Bible verse that condemns homosexuality then when it's given to them they want a different one as if it wasn't good enough? God spoke to Moses to give those commands in Leviticus, and Christ spoke to Paul to give him the commands in the New Testament ... if you read the Bible for yourself, there are plenty of verses that prove that.

You have to realize that that "New Covenant" that Jesus ushered in, didn't happened until His death, so Jesus followed the Law to the letter, He had to in order to fulfill it. So guess what He preached against? It's in Leviticus ... God did not change to where now what He condemned is now permissible, meaning now all of a sudden bestiality is now pleasing to God (Exodus 22:19) or now that it's ok for two guys to sword fight. It's means that Jesus made it so now we are saved by faith alone and not by works ... Before Christ you HAD to do everything written in the Law in order to please God, but now it's by faith. I can prove all of this. Just because an Atheist tries to reason away the Bible in a "logical and worldly" way doesn't disprove sound doctrine. If that's the case we can reason away the need to eat, but just as if you don't believe in Christ you'll find yourself in hell, the same is if you don't eat you will die.

Look, you can believe whatever your little heart desires, no one is forcing you to believe anything, but you cannot change what I believe by opinionated disbelief, or unbelieving people that make stuff up with assumptions on some web page they made up. Because the verse I clearly gave you condemns homosexuality in accordance with all commands and teachings of Christ, but to make that sick action legit, and yourself right, you have to bisect the Bible in order to do it .. lol .. can't do it. Funny how you people that don't want to believe try to tell us that do believe what to believe as if you know the Word of God or something. It's also ironic that when faced with black and white Bible verses that somehow homo lovers turn them grey for the sake of a lifestyle, you're so obvious.

I like your list of numbers though ... lol ... Oops! Does that hurt my contribution to my argument? No, really? .. lol ..



P.S.

Notice how you still can't say those "pious gay Christian's" friends of yours are following the will of God? But, it's been real ........... obvious.

The link I gave you if obviously biased- of course it is, it's pro- gay rights- but the argument it presents is completely and absolutely valid.
The reason why people who are pro- gay rights aren't satisfied with a single homophobic Bible verse is because the Christians presenting those Bible verses do nothing to defend them.

The way a debate is structured is thus:
A statement is presented by person #1 (i.e., the first Bible verse)
An argument against the statement is made by person #2, highlighting the flaws in the reasoning behind the statement (person #2 being me)
Person #1 backs up his/her original statement by refuting the argument against it, then presents another statement explaining their beliefs.
The process starts all over again.

So far, you have presented explanations of your beliefs, but have not addressed any of the flaws in your reasoning. I, on the other hand, have shown that I understand you and rightagain's point of view when I said:

"The difference between you and me is that you believe that the Bible itself, the words printed on the paper, is timeless, sacred, and rigidly final. I, on the other hand, believe that the IDEAS and THEMES in the Bible are the only important things, and that, at this day and age, the stories and rules are only there to convey those themes and were only relevant at the time they were written."

This was written in a nonjudgmental way; I did not claim that my beliefs are right while yours are wrong, nor did I try to belittle or shame you because of your beliefs.

If we are saved by faith alone, then why does one follow the rules in the Old Testament at all, other than to prove one's faith to oneself and satisfy one's own conscience? For this, I'm honestly curious- it's something I've been wondering for a while. I'm in no way saying that we should stop following all of those rules. It would be a bit not good if people started murdering and looting all over the place.

Um... sure someone could reason away eating, but it'd be kind of stupid of them to. I was in no way reasoning away the idea that you need to belief in Christ in order to go to Heaven. I'm a Christian, and I believe that Christ died for my sins. You can tell me all you want about how my belief in Christ isn't valid because it's not the same as yours, but you can't change my beliefs.

Which leads me into my next point. Never, in this entire debate, have I said a) that I could change your beliefs, or b) that your beliefs weren't valid. Not once. It is something I have made sure to stay away from. I promise you that, unless you decide to twist my words, you will not find one instance where I have claimed either of those two things.

You gave me a Bible verse. I gave you an argument showing you the flaws I perceived in your interpretation of that Bible verse. This was in no way judgmental; I was simply stating my observations. I expected that you would provide me with a strong argument addressing those specific flaws. Instead, you chose to ignore the perceived flaws that I had pointed out to you, and instead attacked my beliefs and myself.

Actually... you haven't given me a real reason why the arguments stated at that link were invalid. You claimed the site was biased, made a few insults... but avoided the argument itself. I would really like to hear your response to that link; I am genuinely intrigued.

Patronizing me will not help you in any way. Neither will bad grammar. I can't stop you from "lolling," but I can say that it really detracts from your argument when you use the preferred acronym of preteens. I would plead that you please refrain from using weak accusations and jabs at the validity of my views. But, it is your decision, and I will bear with you if you insist on doing these things.

RE: P.S. My pious gay friends regularly demonstrate their faith in the Lord by praying, helping those in need, reading and studying the Bible, and praising His name. You may say they're not Christian, but I doubt that'll change how they think. Nor will me telling you about how pious they are change how you think. It's a moot point.

The words of Paul seem to be written about America today. Not only do our people do these sinful and abominable things, but they are now approving of them. And I fear that America will suffer the similar wrath of God that He rained down on Sodom and Gomorrah. Mighty Rome also embraced a decadent and debauched lifestyle and it too was brought down by the wrath of God. It seems that once a nation embraces homosexuality as a norm, the end of their greatness is not far off.
The Apostle Paul warned us about this nearly 2,000 years ago when he wrote to the Romans saying: Romans 1:18-31
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.