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NASA Says Hotter Summers Since 1980 Caused by Global Warming: Is Global Warming Man-Made?

mrosen814 2012/08/07 21:00:00
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The study leader from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, James Hansen, as well as researchers Makiko Sato and Reto Ruedy, have concluded that U.S. summer heat waves (mainly in the Midwest) "have become the norm over the last 30 years compared to a base period 30 years before 1980 -- and it's because of global warming." Do you agree with NASA? You can read more about the study by clicking the 'DAILYTECH.COM' link below.

DAILYTECH.COM reports:
Hotter summers have become the norm from 1980 to present compared to 1951 to 1980 (the base period)
reports hotter summers norm 1980 compared 1951 1980 base period

Read More: http://www.dailytech.com/NASA+Hotter+Summers+Since...

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  • Kigan 2012/08/07 22:04:50 (edited)
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    Kigan
    +44
    The same cycle of heating and cooling the planet has gone through for years.

    Your comparing two 30 year periods. It's the same moronic crap as local weather people calling 105 degree the hottest day ever in Georgia, yet when I was a kid I remember it hitting at least that much. Anyone that has lived her long enough remembers it.

    Yet all the same they play on the hope that you have a short term memory.

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  • Michael S. JP 2012/08/08 02:02:22
    Michael S.
    +3
    Maybe, but others reading the exchange might not be.
  • Mtnsmith Michael S. 2012/08/08 02:05:11
    Mtnsmith
    +1
    My question, Michael S., : are you currently running for any office?

    And if not, why not?
  • Michael S. Mtnsmith 2012/08/08 02:09:10 (edited)
    Michael S.
    Thanks! I'll take that as a compliment. :) I don't have the credibility in the eyes of voters to run for any office at the moment though...maybe someday. I really may consider it at some point, but I wouldn't look forward to it one bit, because I'd have to rub shoulders with a ton of power-seeking pathological narcissists.
  • Mtnsmith Michael S. 2012/08/08 03:00:27
    Mtnsmith
    +1
    I agree that running for office these days is a pretty horrible thing to contemplate (I started to compare it to Purgatory, but in reality it's probably a circle or two lower...)

    You have intelligence and intellectual curiosity and don't appear to be trying to grind any particular axe, just trying to find the truth in the midst of the chaff; these are rare characteristics in a politician, and sorely needed. Think about it, my friend!
  • Michael S. Mtnsmith 2012/08/08 03:29:59
    Michael S.
    If you think I don't have an axe to grind, you ought to hear me on every other issue. ;) Seriously though, I really appreciate the compliments, and I feel the same way about you after reading your own posts. I'm sure part of it is because I agree with your position, but either way, it's refreshing to see someone argue their case on a site like this from such a cautious, logical point of view.
  • Mtnsmith Michael S. 2012/08/08 03:39:01
    Mtnsmith
    +1
    ... and to not have the word 'moron' thrown around like confetti! Very hard to control the urge to cremate folks, at times, but self restraint is a virtue...
  • Michael S. Mtnsmith 2012/08/08 03:42:06
    Michael S.
    +1
    I just try to remind myself it would make me a moron. ;)
  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/08 18:59:18
    lee
    great another flat Earther running for higher office... just what we need now.
  • Michael S. lee 2012/08/09 05:58:45
    Michael S.
    +1
    Sorry if my heresy offends thee, oh high priest of global warming.
  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/09 16:09:28 (edited)
    lee
    it offends me greatly and i find you repugnant.

    you are working against the best interests of our nation and find that to be bordering on treason.
  • Michael S. lee 2012/08/09 16:24:01 (edited)
    Michael S.
    Good grief. Next up: Inquisitions and public executions of heretics...oh, wait, I mean traitors.

    (Why do I get the feeling you've never read a climate science paper in your life with real comprehension, or read anything about the hierarchical institutional structures of scientific organizations and the composition of their administration, or even read anything about how science actually works?)
  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/09 16:57:33
    lee
    why do I get the impression you are working for Exxon-Mobil?
  • Michael S. lee 2012/08/09 17:14:59 (edited)
    Michael S.
    +1
    Because you haven't realized yet that the Rockefeller family has an enormous stake in ExxonMobil, and they're the same Rockefellers who have poured outrageous amounts of funding into pro-AGW research, propaganda, and policy through their various non-governmental organizations? ;)

    ExxonMobil once put a measly $23 million into dissenting research, which has forever tainted the discussion despite the US government alone putting over one thousand times that much into pro-AGW research and well over three thousand times that much into global warming-related policies in total. That's aside from the billions that powerful nongovernmental organizations (many with deep ownership ties to ExxonMobil's primary shareholders) have put into pro-AGW research. All told, research critical of the AGW theory has gotten some millions in funding...while pro-AGW research funding has gotten into the hundreds of billions. In short, the funding bias is very much not on the side of the skeptics.

    Ever notice that the plan for Cap and Trade was created by Enron? (You remember Enron, don't you?) Ever notice that Shell Oil overtly came out in support of the AGW theory and Cap and Trade taxes back in 2009? Sooner or later, ExxonMobil will come out and overtly support Cap and Trade policies too, much like ...

    Because you haven't realized yet that the Rockefeller family has an enormous stake in ExxonMobil, and they're the same Rockefellers who have poured outrageous amounts of funding into pro-AGW research, propaganda, and policy through their various non-governmental organizations? ;)

    ExxonMobil once put a measly $23 million into dissenting research, which has forever tainted the discussion despite the US government alone putting over one thousand times that much into pro-AGW research and well over three thousand times that much into global warming-related policies in total. That's aside from the billions that powerful nongovernmental organizations (many with deep ownership ties to ExxonMobil's primary shareholders) have put into pro-AGW research. All told, research critical of the AGW theory has gotten some millions in funding...while pro-AGW research funding has gotten into the hundreds of billions. In short, the funding bias is very much not on the side of the skeptics.

    Ever notice that the plan for Cap and Trade was created by Enron? (You remember Enron, don't you?) Ever notice that Shell Oil overtly came out in support of the AGW theory and Cap and Trade taxes back in 2009? Sooner or later, ExxonMobil will come out and overtly support Cap and Trade policies too, much like Shell has. In the meantime, they'll continue staying silent - and not funding anyone to any significant extent whatsoever - to make it easier for partisans and religious environmentalists to use the argument you just did without critical thought. The truth is, they are not fundamentally opposed to Cap and Trade policies at all, as long as they have a say in the specifics and ensure they get a cut of the pie...which they will.

    You can pretend I work for an oil company though (and that they're on the skeptics' side) if it helps you sleep at night.
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  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/09 17:29:20
    lee
    are you seriously trying to make the case that the fossil fuel industry is behind global warming science?

    that is laughable, and tragic at the same time.

    where's my tin foil hat?
  • Michael S. lee 2012/08/09 17:34:54 (edited)
    Michael S.
    Behind? No. In support of? Yes.

    Are you seriously attempting to argue otherwise without directly addressing my supporting evidence or providing stronger supporting evidence of your own?

    Now, if you're at all interested in the institutional problems related to climate science, you may want to read this article highlighting the politicization of the field:
    http://globalresearch.ca/inde...
    That's:
    globalresearch.ca SLASH index.php?context=va&aid;=16330

    I expect you won't read it though or understand its significance if you do, because you're clearly coming at this issue from an a priori environmental activist's perspective rather than a scientific or even remotely unbiased perspective..."bordering on treason," lol.
  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/09 17:52:59
    lee
    you expect anyone (especially me) to take you seriously when you point at a conspiracy site that has articles like this

    http://globalresearch.ca/inde...

    you are OUT there... and there is no coming back in from the cold for you.

    good luck, don't forget you tin hat... and take lots of sunscreen.
  • Michael S. lee 2012/08/09 17:58:22 (edited)
    Michael S.
    Thank you for continuing to ignore my specific supporting evidence without providing any of your own. Your argumentative talents are unmatched.

    BTW, I know nothing about the site, and I don't care about the site, but the author himself, Richard S. Lindzen, is a very well-respected climate skeptic even among many scientists who believe in global warming. It's interesting that you'd rather make ad hominem attacks against the site than listen to what he has to say.
  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/09 18:05:58
    lee
    this guy?
    http://online.wsj.com/article...

    who has to resort to OPINION pieces in Murdock's WSJ to get his message out?

    you can't be serious.

    While you may want to spend your time arguing over how many CO2 molecules can dance on the head of a pin... the rest of us will be working to save you from your self.

    enjoy your bubble while you can.
  • Michael S. lee 2012/08/09 18:15:10 (edited)
    Michael S.
    Yes, that guy. I pointed you to his article on the politicization of climate science rather than his actual peer-reviewed papers, because it's clear that the "consensus" (and your environmentalist predisposition) is much more relevant to your decision-making process than your individual understanding of actual climate science. In that vein, I'm trying to open your eyes to the political sleight of hand the "consensus" is based upon.

    The irony is that his article talks about some of the reasons why it's hard for skeptics like him to "get his message out" through typical channels: For instance, the scientific organizations representing thousands of scientists are not run by scientists so much as they're run by political activists with veto powers over basically everything.
  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/09 18:31:45
    lee
    he's taken money from fossil fuel interests...

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/in...

    i.e. not credible.
  • Michael S. lee 2012/08/09 18:34:45 (edited)
    Michael S.
    Oh, for Pete's sake. The guy did consulting work for oil companies in the 1990's and received a few thousand bucks in expert witness fees in the same time period and nothing since. He hasn't even received ANY climate research funding from them, and you're acting like his funding gives him such little credibility that you can't even read his article about the institutional politics of scientific organizations (complete with tons of specific examples that you can check on yourself)?

    Once again, the very first thing you did was to jump for an ad hominem attack. Apparently, any possible reason not to think or absorb new information from a new source is good enough for you. At this point, I think you're just finding excuses to retreat into your position without doing your due diligence on the issue. (Meanwhile, you haven't once stopped and questioned the sources of AGW theory funding.)

    Now, if you are done making excuses and want to get a taste for what's going on, then read the article...carefully. If the website bothers you, just Google "Climate Science: Is it currently designed to answer questions?" The introduction is slow and vague, but section 2 gets into the takeover of the major scientific organizations (who speak for thousands of scientists) by political/activist inte...

    Oh, for Pete's sake. The guy did consulting work for oil companies in the 1990's and received a few thousand bucks in expert witness fees in the same time period and nothing since. He hasn't even received ANY climate research funding from them, and you're acting like his funding gives him such little credibility that you can't even read his article about the institutional politics of scientific organizations (complete with tons of specific examples that you can check on yourself)?

    Once again, the very first thing you did was to jump for an ad hominem attack. Apparently, any possible reason not to think or absorb new information from a new source is good enough for you. At this point, I think you're just finding excuses to retreat into your position without doing your due diligence on the issue. (Meanwhile, you haven't once stopped and questioned the sources of AGW theory funding.)

    Now, if you are done making excuses and want to get a taste for what's going on, then read the article...carefully. If the website bothers you, just Google "Climate Science: Is it currently designed to answer questions?" The introduction is slow and vague, but section 2 gets into the takeover of the major scientific organizations (who speak for thousands of scientists) by political/activist interests with no scientific background but with veto powers over almost everything. I suspect you wouldn't understand why that's a bad thing, but maybe you'll surprise me with a genuine respect for science and indignation at the abuse of scientific institutions by non-scientists. Section 3 gets into the systematic alteration of data by scientists, not necessarily as deliberate misconduct, but to make better sense of the models and simulations assumed to be correct in light of data assumed to be ridden with errors. There are plenty of specific examples in sections 2 and 3, and the ones in section 2 at least are easily both verifiable and falsifiable.

    BTW, if you're still hung up on the oil company red herring, remember that you still haven't successfully countered my points above regarding the energy companies, like their pitiful monetary support of dissenting research (i.e. their "hearts" clearly aren't in it), ExxonMobil's ties to the Rockefellers and their AGW funding, Enron's development of Cap and Trade, and Shell's overt support thereof. No, incredulous laughing and insults do not apply as intellectually honest arguments.
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  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/09 22:21:17
    lee
    and funny how he's still staying the same tired crap that he was saying then...

    does make one wonder....
  • Michael S. lee 2012/08/09 22:27:54 (edited)
    Michael S.
    If you're calling that "tired crap," then I know you haven't actually read it. It's all about specific examples from recent years.
  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/09 22:31:09
    lee
    humans are good at rationalizing...

    he's got his fixed view of the world and all the "facts" he talks about fit into that narrow view, i"m sure.

    i see you doing the same thing.
  • Michael S. lee 2012/08/09 22:48:16 (edited)
    Michael S.
    How many times have you changed your mind about global warming? What about your political worldview in general?

    You say the facts he talks about fit into that narrow view, "I'm sure." You mean, you don't actually know, but you assume, because you refuse to read any articles that might challenge your worldview?
  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/09 23:20:23
    lee
    what i read is my buisness and you don't know anything about it.

    as for my world view, its this... our species OWES it to this planet to be good stewards of it....

    so far we suck at being good stewards and its ppl like you that are making it easy for the lazy ppl to continue to be bad stewards.

    you enable them to do nothing.
  • Michael S. lee 2012/08/09 23:50:48 (edited)
    Michael S.
    By your defensive tone in your first sentence, I take that to mean that I made a pretty good guess about what you are and aren't willing to read. By your refusal to answer my questions directly and insistence on dodging with Gaia evangelism, I gather that you've also never changed your political views or your global warming views. That's interesting, coming from the person accusing me of sticking to information that feeds my confirmation bias and "narrow view."

    It would be nice if you'd answer direct questions or directly address specific arguments though.
  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/09 23:54:00
  • Michael S. lee 2012/08/09 23:55:16 (edited)
  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/10 00:08:44 (edited)
    lee
    the global warming deniers in general, not necessarily yours in particular (but you do seem in lockstep)

    we meaning the public and the political community who can see the stall tactics for what they are... stall tactics.

    it's going to happen, no matter how many obstacles you guys throw out there...

    would it happen faster without you?

    yes.

    would i personally prefer that?

    very much so.
  • Michael S. lee 2012/08/10 01:09:41
    Michael S.
    Out of curiosity, is that a euphemism for you wanting me dead?
  • Mtnsmith Michael S. 2012/08/09 18:05:36
    Mtnsmith
    Michael, Michael, are you succumbing to the urge to cremate the ignorant? Must....stay....strong....

    Or, maybe just go for it.
  • Michael S. Mtnsmith 2012/08/09 18:09:05 (edited)
    Michael S.
    Heh...I'm not really meaning to. It's just that he isn't really providing me with much to go on besides personal attacks and logical fallacies, so there's not much I can respond with other than pointing it out and hoping he'll realize he isn't being honest with himself. :-/
  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/09 18:32:10
    lee
    look in the mirror pal.
  • Michael S. lee 2012/08/09 18:36:34
    Michael S.
    I do think that the post history is pretty clear regarding who has put forward specific arguments and direct responses, and who has not.
  • lee Michael S. 2012/08/09 22:21:58
    lee
    you can CALL what you put forward anythign you want... but I'm not buying it.
  • lee JP 2012/08/08 18:58:20
    lee
    all the help I need is for you guys to WAKE UP.
  • lee JP 2012/08/08 18:57:45
  • Temlako... lee 2012/08/08 01:34:15
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    "Hide the decline!"
  • lee Temlako... 2012/08/08 01:43:29

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