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My opinion on the Evil Sandusky

Flowers 2012/06/19 13:47:39
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Usually, I try and make questions that include both sides of this story. I pride myself in being fair and moderate so that I can see a 360 degree view of what is going on. This, is an exception.

If you want to defend him, defend the actions of the worthless college and all the worthless advisers who turned a blind eye to his deplorable actions I PROMISE I won't demean you for your opinion. But, I feel I must get my feelings out. Share if you like.

Sandusky deserves a trial, but he DOESN'T deserve a jail cell. He should NOT be given special treatment, or the chance to fill his lungs with oxygen. They should execute him, painfully if possible. If no one else wants to, I would be more than happy to pull the trigger. This is why:
He took advantage of children, used his position
of power to get away with horrible, disgusting crimes, and *shudders*
adopted 6 children as well as fostered others, all while being at a prestigious
college that looked the other way while he was ruining these childrens'
lives. Everyone on the board of that despicable college in the 90's to
the present should be fired and kept from working at any other college.
Period. They are all responsible for the irreversible damage they
caused. Frankly, I think the entire college should be closed down. How DARE they put the profits of a football program above the well being of children??
I also feel Joe Paterno was just as responsible. If he actually cared about
those children like he claimed for so many years, he would have gone to the police. He
would have AT THE VERY LEAST made a recorded video statement to be shown
after his death. His was selfish to not have done this.



The people I feel the worst for? All of those children, ones who
have been identified and the ones who are still too scared to come
forward, who felt like absolutely NO ONE cared about their well being,
how they must have felt no one cared about who was hurting them
physically and mentally. That is the saddest part of this whole thing.
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  • Dave0626 2012/06/19 16:33:08
    I agree with you because...
    Dave0626
    +4
    Paterno upon witnessing the shower incident, if Sandusky did not see him, should have immediately called cops and other school staff to witness what was going on in the showers. And all of this could have ended in 2001. Even if Sandusky did see him, Paterno still should have acted like a human being on behalf of the boy victim!

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  • ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/06/25 19:21:36
    I agree with you because...
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    sandusky meme sandusky meme
    Rot in Prison
  • Flowers ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/06/25 19:26:01
    Flowers
    +1
    unfortunately we aren't allowed to put him to death based on current judicial laws. I think we should, based on his demented crimes.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Flowers 2012/06/26 16:48:01
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    why do we waste our time keeping Murderers , Serial killers , Rapists , Pedophiles and other Violent Criminals in prison

    Trial is over Execute them Public execution
  • Flowers ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/06/26 18:39:03
    Flowers
    +1
    I agree. I say give them a year. That would be fair, in case someone lied and the wrong person was convicted. But as far as keeping them in prison, they do it for the money. The state, the judges, even the defense gets a BUNCH of money for cases like that and the longer they are alive "appealing" the more money they make.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Flowers 2012/06/26 18:40:50
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    well i didnt mean right away of course

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    could you share this around if you could please thank you
  • SassySalsera 2012/06/20 05:57:30
    I agree with you because...
    SassySalsera
    +1
    He should rot for what he did to those kids.
  • Flowers 2012/06/19 22:36:51
    I agree with you because...
    Flowers
    I'm curious as to why this topic isn't on the headlines, not necessarily my poll it could be anyone's I don't care (the points are meaningless frankly) I just don't get why they talk incessantly about celebs but this somehow is a non-issue
  • JT For Political Reform 2012/06/19 20:02:19
    I agree with you because...
    JT For Political Reform
    +1
    Granted this pig deserves a fair trial but if he is found guilty I think they should cut his nuts off.
  • Flowers JT For ... 2012/06/19 22:32:37
    Flowers
    +1
    Thank you :)
  • JT For ... Flowers 2012/06/20 00:29:39
  • ken 2012/06/19 18:15:02
    I agree with you because...
    ken
    +1
    If he's found guilty they should throw the book at him.
  • Flowers ken 2012/06/19 22:33:44
    Flowers
    What is the harshest punishment he should receive? Prison? Death sentence? Paranas chewing on his flesh?
  • Cap 2012/06/19 18:14:52 (edited)
    I agree with you because...
    Cap
    +1
    I essentially agree with you about Sandusky as to his guilt, the turpitude his crimes exhibit, and the punishment that is appropriate if all that has been alleged is borne out at his trial, which is why I checked the box that I did.

    I disagree with you on a very basic point as to the culpability of Penn State and its employees. Which is not to say I don't agree w/ you in part - I very much do. The failure of the University and its employees to take effective follow up action and find out why referrals they made to others did not result in anything that looked like appropriate punishment is inexcusable. Even if someone making the referral didn't think Sandusky was guilty, it seems to me that loyalty to the PSU program would have compelled an individual to follow up so as to be adequately informed as to why Sandusky was innocent - or was whatever he was. No one did and shame on them all, although I am reluctant to place any great degree of blame on Mike McQuaery, the assistant coach who saw Sandusky in the showers with an apparent minor, who reported the incident to Paterno but did not follow up on his report.

    The basic point on which I disagree with you is the implication arising out of your comment "how dare they put the profits of the football program above the well being o...
    I essentially agree with you about Sandusky as to his guilt, the turpitude his crimes exhibit, and the punishment that is appropriate if all that has been alleged is borne out at his trial, which is why I checked the box that I did.

    I disagree with you on a very basic point as to the culpability of Penn State and its employees. Which is not to say I don't agree w/ you in part - I very much do. The failure of the University and its employees to take effective follow up action and find out why referrals they made to others did not result in anything that looked like appropriate punishment is inexcusable. Even if someone making the referral didn't think Sandusky was guilty, it seems to me that loyalty to the PSU program would have compelled an individual to follow up so as to be adequately informed as to why Sandusky was innocent - or was whatever he was. No one did and shame on them all, although I am reluctant to place any great degree of blame on Mike McQuaery, the assistant coach who saw Sandusky in the showers with an apparent minor, who reported the incident to Paterno but did not follow up on his report.

    The basic point on which I disagree with you is the implication arising out of your comment "how dare they put the profits of the football program above the well being of children" to the effect that there was some type of orchestrated cover-up. I find very little to support that implication. To me this was a case of incompetence - massive, inexcusable, mind-numbing incompetence, to be sure, but only that - not malevolence. These were men not accustomed to dealing with the seamier side of life, and their reaction to it, unfortunately, was to push it out of their well-manicured picket-fence environment, rather than exterminate it. The basis for my thinking? There is no affirmative act of cover-up to point at that I see; all these people were well aware that letting Sandusky continue to abuse boys, if that's what he was doing, was going to be exactly the type of problem it has turned out to be. They weren't against terminating the problem, it's just that no one person ever thought it was his job to do so. There was never a moment of "OMG, we have a problem that we have to sweep under the rug.", that's a coverup, the problem was that everyone did what minimal thing they had to do to keep their own yard clean, but noone ever took up the far more important job of assessing the filth in the community - or even asked why no one else was doing so. As I said, massive incompetence, but not the type of affirmative coverup that characterized such scandals as the Catholic Church and its sexually abusive priests, where the coverup, at least at certain Diocesan levels, is undeniable.
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  • ken Cap 2012/06/19 18:18:59
    ken
    +2
    I agree with almost everything you say, but I do truly believe this was covered up all these years for the almighty dollar. It really doesn't matter if there was one co-conspirator or a dozen. Things were hushed and people had to have been either paid off or threatened. Just my humble opinion.
  • Cap ken 2012/06/20 03:27:43
    Cap
    I, too, am always willing to believe that money will breed corruption. But it is precisely my belief in the power of money that compels me to conclude differently than you in this situation.

    This scandal is as big as it is only because it went on as long as it did. After all is said and done, kids of the age that it appears Sandusky abused have little to do with what Penn State was about. If Sandusky had been dealt with in the first couple of years after allegations about him were made, probably even in the first four or five years, it would have been a scandal, but it would have been one of lurid sensationalism, it didn't affect what PSU did, like, say, a betting scandal would have. Sandusky would have been the only casualty.

    I have no doubt that as the scandal later broke, anyone touching it had the sense of having a tiger by the tail, but even as late as maybe 2008, this story, had it broken as a result of PSU's self policing, would have been one that the college likely could have spun to its credit - and the guy who shepherded it through the process likely would have been rewarded for it. I haven't followed this story closely for some time now, but, as I recollect, there was never any evidence that the various actors hid stuff. All of them felt they'd done their jo...
    I, too, am always willing to believe that money will breed corruption. But it is precisely my belief in the power of money that compels me to conclude differently than you in this situation.

    This scandal is as big as it is only because it went on as long as it did. After all is said and done, kids of the age that it appears Sandusky abused have little to do with what Penn State was about. If Sandusky had been dealt with in the first couple of years after allegations about him were made, probably even in the first four or five years, it would have been a scandal, but it would have been one of lurid sensationalism, it didn't affect what PSU did, like, say, a betting scandal would have. Sandusky would have been the only casualty.

    I have no doubt that as the scandal later broke, anyone touching it had the sense of having a tiger by the tail, but even as late as maybe 2008, this story, had it broken as a result of PSU's self policing, would have been one that the college likely could have spun to its credit - and the guy who shepherded it through the process likely would have been rewarded for it. I haven't followed this story closely for some time now, but, as I recollect, there was never any evidence that the various actors hid stuff. All of them felt they'd done their job, and it only began to dawn on them as the story grew that the "crime" here was one of omission, not commission, it was the narrowness with which PSU staffers approached any task that didn't have to do with football. Had any one of these guys perceived the damage Sandusky was going to do to PSU football, any one of them might have secretly shot him; the problem here was not that money asserted itself in its all-too-common role as the underminer of virtue, it's that the danger to the money machine that was PSU football was not perceived by those who, had they perceived the enormity of the threat - which they failed to do because of their parochial approach to their jobs - they would have acted, if nothing else, out of a monetary motive.
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  • Flowers Cap 2012/06/19 19:07:32
    Flowers
    +1
    I understand your point of view, and you may be right but as a person looking completely from the outside (i've never had any interaction with Penn. state whatsoever. don't even watch their games very often because they are outside of my region) I see it as them viewing it from a purely profit stand point. I could be wrong, and I'm okay with that but it's not like we haven't seen and heard about pedophiles in the news in the 90's -present. They KNEW calling the police directly would result in "bad press" for the school and hoped it would go away. We may never truly know if they swept it away like the catholic church has. Frankly, the church has been criminally covering for so many decades it was bound to leak at some point. This is been probably late 80's since sandusky has been touch kids. (pedophiles don't just start one day full blown child molesting. they work into it. there are many more victims we will never hear about.)

    Also, prosecution is only going to show the victims who they feel are the strongest witnesses. and charge him for as many counts as they can prove beyond a doubt. Even now, there could be (could be) a dozen more cases the prosecution knows about but won't release info on because they aren't "good witnesses" That sort of thing has been going on for a VERY long time (unfortunately, i know of one case specifically) and while it's not justice, it's the way our corrupt system works.
  • Doreen 2012/06/19 17:03:12
    I agree with you because...
    Doreen
    +3
    It sickens me how people in this country think that football is more important than anything even humans. If a person is into football they become a god and anyone who does not get into football is a nothing. This man needs to pay for his crime not be immortalized for being a football coach. This is one of the reasons that I hate football.
  • Wild Dog 2012/06/19 16:50:40
    I agree with you because...
    Wild Dog
    +1
    this was a deplorable act ,and the people who knew about it ,and said nothing at first should be ashamed of them selves .Death? Wow ,I'll be good ,I promise. I don't know how you can make up for the children ,who suffered severe mental anguish over this ,but the guy is a pig ,and I hope they come down hard on him.
  • Flowers Wild Dog 2012/06/19 16:52:22
    Flowers
    +1
    I'm pretty cold and heartless when it comes to this kind of thing sorry :) thanks for your response WD it's good to see you again
  • Wild Dog Flowers 2012/06/19 17:14:30
    Wild Dog
    +1
    It's always good to see you too. Yes ,this is terrible, and castration would be in order for sure. You're welcome, and I hope this idiot gets more than a slap on the wrist.
  • Dave0626 2012/06/19 16:33:08
    I agree with you because...
    Dave0626
    +4
    Paterno upon witnessing the shower incident, if Sandusky did not see him, should have immediately called cops and other school staff to witness what was going on in the showers. And all of this could have ended in 2001. Even if Sandusky did see him, Paterno still should have acted like a human being on behalf of the boy victim!
  • Flowers Dave0626 2012/06/19 16:38:20
    Flowers
    +2
    Thank you!
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/06/19 15:03:11
    I disagree with you because...
    mk, Smartass Oracle
    +1
    You put too much blame on Joe Paterno. I agree Sandusky is a scumbag. I do agree Sandusky deserves a fair trial as we are all entitled to under the law.
  • Flowers mk, Sma... 2012/06/19 15:12:25
    Flowers
    +1
    Thank you for your comment. I blame him because he deserves the blame just as much as the rest of the college. was he NOT the head coach? he should have questioned why he was still bringing children to the college, he should have questioned why he wasn't arrested so an investigation into the claims of being seen in the showers could have been done. He knew, and did nothing because he didn't want to ruin his football team with scandal. That is accessory. Like i said, at the very least he could have made a video recording of all the facts and put the truth out there once and for all. He died taking whatever he knew with him and that is selfish... in my opinion.
  • mk, Sma... Flowers 2012/06/19 15:19:54
    mk, Smartass Oracle
    There is much blame to go around. The Athletic Director should have banned him from the facilities log ago. Paterno did say on cam he should have done more. If he were an accessory he would have been charged as such.. He was not charged.
  • Flowers mk, Sma... 2012/06/19 15:27:14
    Flowers
    +1
    I understand, but just because a football legend wasn't charged, especially considering he removed himself from the position and was in failing health, doesn't mean he wasn't responsible or an accessory.
  • mk, Sma... Flowers 2012/06/19 15:34:27
    mk, Smartass Oracle
    He was fired, he did not resign. If the District Attorney thought they had a case, they would have charged him. Ask any lawyer you know and they will confirm what I say.
  • Flowers mk, Sma... 2012/06/19 15:37:52
    Flowers
    +1
    i was mistaken. i thought he voluntarily walked away
  • mk, Sma... Flowers 2012/06/19 15:41:55
    mk, Smartass Oracle
    +1
    Nope, he along with University President Graham Spanier was terminated.




    Paterno fired
  • Lenny 2012/06/19 14:27:46
  • Flowers Lenny 2012/06/19 14:29:11
    Flowers
    +1
    thank you :)
  • mjkowal 2012/06/19 14:18:05
    I agree with you because...
    mjkowal
    +1
    This is a case where a sport teams reputation was more important then children's welfare. How he was able to get away with abusing and raping so... many children while everyone else turned a blind eye is absolutely disgusting to me. He won't last long in prison, he may get some payback as well!
  • Flowers mjkowal 2012/06/19 14:22:31
    Flowers
    +1
    the sad thing is, they will be forced to spend even more money on him to prevent the prison population from harming him. They actually have to segregate the sex offenders from the general population because they end up being attacked so often. I have no sympathy for someone who steals another persons consent. They deserve all the torture they receive. I just don't feel WE as taxpayers should have to suffer through taxes because of their choices. give them a trial, be fair and show all possible evidence but if they are convicted shoot them dead and move on. That's how i feel anyways :)
  • mjkowal Flowers 2012/06/19 14:51:56
    mjkowal
    +1
    I have no problem with his death, just feel that a little retribution from the inmates before death would be more fair!! I say throw him in with the general population and see what happens!
  • Flowers mjkowal 2012/06/19 15:13:57
    Flowers
    lol I would go with that :)
  • Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum 2012/06/19 14:06:27
    I disagree with you because...
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +1
    Penn State is a great university and should not be shut down. Fire the people in power who did nothing to stop Sandusky. Lock Sandusky away for life. Killing Sandusky out of anger accomplishes nothing and brings us all down to his level, or even worse. He did not even kill anyone.
  • Flowers Warren ... 2012/06/19 14:09:33
    Flowers
    +2
    thank you for your opinion. I feel he killed those children's childhood. Their hopes of having a normal life were murdered, over and over again. He murdered their innocence and took a piece of their soul. Every pedophile and rapist that steals the consent from another person is a murderer, In my opinion and they deserve to be treated like a murderer. Locking him away does nothing either. it doesn't change how those children feel, or how they were ignored for the benefit of money the college made.
  • SassySa... Warren ... 2012/06/20 05:55:46
    SassySalsera
    +1
    Child sexual abuse has lasting, long term damaging effects on children. It affects their relationships, their mental and emotional health for a life time.
  • Warren ... SassySa... 2012/06/20 12:45:27
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    Yes, I agree. What Sandusky did is unforgivable.

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