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Military Moms Photographed Breastfeeding in Uniform: Inappropriate or Harmless?

SodaHead Living 2012/05/31 16:47:13
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There's something about breastfeeding that seems to get people all riled up. Why? We're not sure. Doctors recommend breastfeeding as the best way to feed your baby for at least the first year of his or her life. But still ... there's something about military moms doing it in uniform that takes the "issue" to the next level.

A photo of two military moms breastfeeding their babies -- part of a local breastfeeding awareness campaign by Mom2Mom of Fairchild Air Force Base -- is supposedly causing an "outrage." We're not really sure who's outraged, but this is the photo in question:

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"People are comparing breastfeeding in uniform to urinating and defecating in uniform. They're comparing it to the woman who posed in Playboy in uniform [in 2007]" Crystal Scott, a military spouse and mother of three who launched the group, told Yahoo! Shine. "We never expected it to be like this."

Terran Echegoyen-McCabe, a member of the Air National Guard who was photographed in uniform nursing her 10-month-old twin daughters, defended the pics on the "Today" show. "I'm proud to be wearing a uniform while breastfeeding. I'm proud of the photo and I hope it encourages other women to know they can breastfeed whether they're active duty, guard or civilian," she said. Do you have a problem with the pic?
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  • Dar 2012/05/31 16:49:14
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    Dar
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    Does wearing a uniform disqualify you from motherhood and all that it encompasses...NO.

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  • 8bitgon... Dogman 2012/06/04 04:18:14
    8bitgonemad
    That's not our choice now is it?
  • HipJipC 8bitgon... 2012/06/04 05:33:28
    HipJipC
    You have a choice to not look now don't you? But you do. You do because you have shame. You were taught shame at an early age. Why do others have to carry the weight of your shame?
  • 8bitgon... HipJipC 2012/06/23 01:30:06
    8bitgonemad
    Well of course I look. Not because I have shame, because I want to know what's going on. And what are saying that I have a chance not to look at. I don't have a problem with any of this, but I feel that the media isn't going to care if we start a riot against this situation that we should quit showing murders on television or something.
  • Dogman 8bitgon... 2012/06/04 21:11:26
    Dogman
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    Sure it is. Our culture is what we make it.
  • 8bitgon... Dogman 2012/06/23 01:26:02
    8bitgonemad
    Well I wasn't the one to decide that specific problem. Neither were you. I don't have any problems with this situation, or your comment, but I wasn't the one who suggestedwhat we put on the news, I'm just saying we had no large power to decide that. It's the media, they will turn any situation into money
  • VenomHalos 2012/06/04 00:25:50
    Harmless
    VenomHalos
    +1
    What are they supposed to do, change?
  • James 2012/06/04 00:17:08 (edited)
    Inappropriate
    James
    +5
    It's harmless when done, when photographed it becomes porn. Bet ya didn't think about that, did ya? I have no problem with breastfeeding in public, it's when mothers do these things and make it known to the world, that is when I have a problem with it. It's fine and dandy if you want to breastfeed in public, but PLEASE stop making it a public issue. Don't photograph it, don't put it on facebook or twitter and quit trying to make a statement with it!
  • VenomHalos James 2012/06/04 00:27:05 (edited)
    VenomHalos
    +3
    Right, a baby being fed is porn....... Whyever did I not think of that?
  • James VenomHalos 2012/06/04 00:28:08
    James
    +1
    A woman photographing her "exposed" breasts is considered porn. Think before you comment.
  • VenomHalos James 2012/06/04 00:30:56
    VenomHalos
    +3
    If you seriously think it's porn becuase of that, then you have some issues to take care of.
  • James VenomHalos 2012/06/04 00:34:30
    James
    +1
    Perhaps you should read the definition of soft-core porn. This fits in the description. If you're going to personally attack me, don't bother responding.
  • VenomHalos James 2012/06/04 01:02:29
    VenomHalos
    +1
    I didn't "personally attack you." I was just pointing out that breastfeeding is not porn. And the only reason that anyone has an issue with is because of overly horny people who share your mindset. If people would just lay off it, it wouldn't be an issue anymore.
  • James VenomHalos 2012/06/04 01:14:40
    James
    +1
    No, my reason was a legitimate reason. I am tired of seeing this posted EVERYWHERE! Why do women feel the need to make this public? What's the big deal about it? You breastfeed in public, cool! If a guy is caught urinating in public, he gets arrested and labeled a sexual predator depending on where he is caught. Breastfeeding CAN fall under the softcore porn category. You obviously didn't look it up. If women would just stop doing it and taking pictures of it, it wouldn't be a problem either.

    Answer me this: WHY take a picture? What does it serve? You don't need to take a picture to prove you're a good mother. Your child can do that. How do you think that baby will feel in ten years when it sees how its mother was publicly breastfeeding him/her? The child will be embarrassed plain and simple.

    Like I originally posted, I have no issue with public breastfeeding. What I have issues with is when women decide to take pictures of it and make the world know they breastfeed in public.
  • Pronata... James 2012/06/05 12:16:34
    Pronatalist Pronatalist
    Actually I disagree with that also. Radio talk show host Michael Savage some time ago, made a remark about taking a whiz (peeing) on a golf course, could land a man on the sexual predator list. Outrageous, how we are becoming such an insane police state. How long would it take? 20 minutes to get back to the golf course restroom? When you gotta go, you gotta go. It might be "in bad taste" to urinate in public, that isn't really so public, but it should NOT be a crime, at least not in some understandable cases. I saw some boy urinating in a parking lot once. I think what happened, is children have tiny bladders and don't plan ahead, and so he just couldn't make it inside the building before he would have peed his pants. Like most normal people, who don't believe in the police state, I went about my business and didn't have anything to do or say about it. Hypothetical situation: "Did you see what that man did out there in the golf course?" "No, I know nothing." "But I saw you looking over there a moment ago, how could you not have seen?" "So what? I respect the guy's privacy so shut up and don't make a scene." Of course, common sense isn't so common anymore.

    To ask mothers to go to the restroom, to feed their baby, is just outright absurd. Who eats in the restroom? Mothers deserve...
    Actually I disagree with that also. Radio talk show host Michael Savage some time ago, made a remark about taking a whiz (peeing) on a golf course, could land a man on the sexual predator list. Outrageous, how we are becoming such an insane police state. How long would it take? 20 minutes to get back to the golf course restroom? When you gotta go, you gotta go. It might be "in bad taste" to urinate in public, that isn't really so public, but it should NOT be a crime, at least not in some understandable cases. I saw some boy urinating in a parking lot once. I think what happened, is children have tiny bladders and don't plan ahead, and so he just couldn't make it inside the building before he would have peed his pants. Like most normal people, who don't believe in the police state, I went about my business and didn't have anything to do or say about it. Hypothetical situation: "Did you see what that man did out there in the golf course?" "No, I know nothing." "But I saw you looking over there a moment ago, how could you not have seen?" "So what? I respect the guy's privacy so shut up and don't make a scene." Of course, common sense isn't so common anymore.

    To ask mothers to go to the restroom, to feed their baby, is just outright absurd. Who eats in the restroom? Mothers deserve nice cushy comfortable chairs, rocking chairs, or glider rockers for that, and not every place is some country club or Church, that has yet given much thought to such things, and has unlimited money for every possible need of the people who frequent it. Thus, we have mothers who think they have the right to breastfeed in most any public place. As a pro-life activist, I am inclined to agree, as I wish to welcome however many babies into the world, and so hungry babies, are just an understandable fact of life. There's nowhere to hide, for a breastfeeding mother on the crowded bus or airplane. She can't leave her place awaiting to board an airplane, or they may board without her and she miss her airplane. So people, please have a heart, and understand that breastfeeding in public, is common in developing countries with high birthrates, as breasts aren't even "sexual" there. Maybe in the Perverted States of America, breasts are sexual, but why can't we "overlook" it when there's a baby to explain for it?
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  • James Pronata... 2012/06/05 15:28:17 (edited)
    James
    " There's nowhere to hide, for a breastfeeding mother on the crowded bus or airplane. She can't leave her place awaiting to board an airplane, or they may board without her and she miss her airplane." You do know they make blankets for that, right? For YEARS women have used blankets when they've had to breast feed in public. Why not now? And also, what's stopping the mother from pumping her milk at home so they can simply bottle feed the baby if it's hungry while waiting for the plane? Like I've had to say numerous times here; I have no problem with them breastfeeding in public. It just doesn't need to be photographed and placed all over the news.

    "So people, please have a heart, and understand that breastfeeding in public, is common in developing countries with high birthrates, as breasts aren't even "sexual" there. "

    And just where are these "developing" countries?

    Other than those two statements I agree.
  • Pronata... James 2012/06/05 19:22:56
    Pronatalist Pronatalist
    Kenya. Africa. Perhaps even Europe? It's the Americans who are so prudish about natural breastfeeding.

    Use a blanket. Duh? Now why didn't I think of that? Problem solved? What blanket? "I knew I forgot to bring something?" Maybe you'd rather that the Mom forgot to get her baby out of the hot car, than to forget that precious blankie? Okay, I guess that isn't fair, so I take it back. Or let's say the air conditioner on the bus is broken, and it's 100 degrees F.? Yeah, cover up with a blanket, right. I don't know why that mother didn't simply cover up, but what do I care. Maybe the baby is tossing the blanket off? Do I need to be so judgmental? And don't think we men "like it" when mothers breastfeed. As usual, we get the short end of the stick, as while a glimpse may be no big deal, it's not worth being suspected of "staring."

    Seriously? Breast pump at home? You are just begging for some wacko feminist to unload on you? Some babies won't take a bottle. They know what's good. Pumped milk is no longer fresh. And one can be running late, forgot to pump, or the baby's still hungry or cranky, and the bottle has run out. What then? Oh, but there's more, but we can't use that, because it might "offend" somebody. What a bunch of American crybabies, always on the lookout for how they can ...

    Kenya. Africa. Perhaps even Europe? It's the Americans who are so prudish about natural breastfeeding.

    Use a blanket. Duh? Now why didn't I think of that? Problem solved? What blanket? "I knew I forgot to bring something?" Maybe you'd rather that the Mom forgot to get her baby out of the hot car, than to forget that precious blankie? Okay, I guess that isn't fair, so I take it back. Or let's say the air conditioner on the bus is broken, and it's 100 degrees F.? Yeah, cover up with a blanket, right. I don't know why that mother didn't simply cover up, but what do I care. Maybe the baby is tossing the blanket off? Do I need to be so judgmental? And don't think we men "like it" when mothers breastfeed. As usual, we get the short end of the stick, as while a glimpse may be no big deal, it's not worth being suspected of "staring."

    Seriously? Breast pump at home? You are just begging for some wacko feminist to unload on you? Some babies won't take a bottle. They know what's good. Pumped milk is no longer fresh. And one can be running late, forgot to pump, or the baby's still hungry or cranky, and the bottle has run out. What then? Oh, but there's more, but we can't use that, because it might "offend" somebody. What a bunch of American crybabies, always on the lookout for how they can feign to be "offended" as a way to shove their will onto other people?

    So what exactly did you agree with? No need to "cover up" at home? Not even with company visiting? I recall my sister wasn't concerned about us company. I mean it's her living room. We could always leave I suppose, if we wanted to feign "offense," rather than politely look in some other direction? I even gave her a glider rocker, as is so popular for mothers with small children.
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  • James Pronata... 2012/06/05 19:32:37
    James
    Kenya, Africa... those are NOT developing countries. Those are third world countries that don't have the option of privacy like we do.

    -_- If it's 100 degrees, you shouldn't be taking the baby outside. It's bad for its health. A baby that is young enough to feed off breast milk won't be able to kick a blanket off. For that matter, if your baby is able to kick it off, you're holding your baby wrong.

    The only reason your pumped milk won't be fresh is if you forget to keep it in the refrigerator. And seriously lady, your baby is not going to die if you feed it from a bottle. If its hungry enough, it will take the bottle.

    Personally, I find looking the other way a bit offensive. If you're at your own house, however, feel free to do whatever you want. If the company doesn't want you to, direct them to the door.

    I agreed with your first paragraph.

    All your arguing is that they should be allowed to do it in public, which I have no problems with. My issue is when they decide to photograph it and put it on the news.
  • VenomHalos James 2012/06/05 21:07:04
    VenomHalos
    Taking a picture is no different than doing it in public.
    Now, if you don't mind, I'd like to move on, seeing as this is clearly going nowhere with you.
  • James VenomHalos 2012/06/06 07:21:42 (edited)
    James
    No, taking a picture is different. Taking a picture is like documenting that you were a good mother. Most children don't want to grow up and find pictures of them breastfeeding on their mothers when they were babies.

    If I don't mind? Ma'am, you're the one that initiated the talk. You can go at any time. I stand firm on my beliefs. I don't mind the breastfeeding in public. I just don't want to see it on the news and everywhere else that I go to escape from the real world for a little while!
  • morris44 James 2012/06/04 03:48:06
    morris44
    +2
    Porn is sexual by nature. If you think this is sexual, thats a problem.
  • James morris44 2012/06/04 04:03:21
    James
    Porn is photographed nudity by nature. A photo of a naked woman is considered pornography.
  • morris44 James 2012/06/04 22:26:17
    morris44
    Porn is not nude photography.

    The literal definition:
    pornography (pɔːˈnɒɡrəfɪ)

    — n
    1. writings, pictures, films, etc, designed to stimulate sexual excitement
  • James morris44 2012/06/05 02:14:49 (edited)
    James
    +1
    And a PICTURE of a semi-nude breast can stimulate sexual excitement. Not for me, however, but there are some crazy people out there.

    And before you pull the feeding a baby stuff, just the sight of a breast is enough to turn some people (both men and women) into a horny beast!
  • Pronata... James 2012/06/05 12:23:34
    Pronatalist Pronatalist
    +1
    So what? The world is becoming a very populous place. And as a pro-life activist who considers each and every human life to be of immense value and sacred, I fully support letting babies push out freely without use of any means of "birth control," as humans are amazing and so humanity ought to spread freely. You must learn to control your urges. Your argument would be better suited, towards advising some women with little sense?, (or perhaps even to turn guys on, perhaps to occasionally spot a growing penis bulge?), to dress more modestly. How many times have I seen revealing shirts, that show a lot of cleavage? Like that isn't very arousing to some guys? Like that's not a possible indication of sexual fertility? Men are visual, so it's supposed to be arousing. And yet who's really talking about modesty anymore?

    Somebody remarked, what's the difference between underwear and a bikini? The color, I think, was the answer.
  • James Pronata... 2012/06/05 15:42:08
    James
    Agreed.
  • Pronata... James 2012/06/05 19:52:50
    Pronatalist Pronatalist
    Agreed?

    So you still don't agree with allowing breastfeeding in public, but you agreed with every point in my comment?

    You agree with the natural population expansion of humanity, encouraging people everywhere to shun use of any means of "birth control," and with that it's probably not such a good idea to show so much breast cleavage in certain social settings?

    Do you think the skimpy bikinis are too revealing? I would have to say, that thongs do need to be thicker than dental floss, at least. I used to think that a bikini shouldn't be exposing an inch or a few inches of butt flesh, but I think I'm over that now. Not so sure why I need to care about that? And I don't like the ridiculously dark colors that tantalize, yet hide any curves, because you can't see shadows on black. Might as well wear something more modest anyway, in that case.
  • James Pronata... 2012/06/05 19:57:38 (edited)
    James
    "So you still don't agree with allowing breastfeeding in public, but you agreed with every point in my comment?"

    Holy crap how many times do I have to say it?! I COULDN'T CARE LESS IF WOMEN BREASTFEED IN PUBLIC!!!! WHAT IS SO HARD TO FREAKING UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?! I DON'T GIVE A CRAP! I'VE SAID IT 7 TIMES NOW!



    "You agree with the natural population expansion of humanity, encouraging people everywhere to shun use of any means of "birth control," and with that it's probably not such a good idea to show so much breast cleavage in certain social settings?"

    I'm not sure I agree with shunning birth control because it has other uses than it's initial advertised uses. I truly don't think cleavage is attractive and shouldn't be so "out there" in social settings.

    Yes, I think that bikinis are too revealing nowadays.
  • Pronata... James 2012/06/06 20:03:59
    Pronatalist Pronatalist
    Well many people seem to think that bikinis may not meet biblical standard of modesty. But I don't really think that women wearing long dresses to go swimming like they did a century ago, is appropriate either. So maybe the proper standard is somewhere between those extremes? What do you say about that? Just go with a 1-piece swimming suit?

    I don't mind bikinis, as long as it's not some "competition" as to who can show off the most flesh.
  • James Pronata... 2012/06/07 01:29:00
    James
    Honestly, I wouldn't mind if more females wore one piece swimsuits. I think they need to find something in between, like you said.
  • morris44 James 2012/06/05 14:21:15 (edited)
    morris44
    Well, now you've got my attention.

    And the wind makes nipples erect, so what? Ban the wind?

    Please forward this list (women only) who are turning into horny beasts.

    I have a slow weekend ahead and would like to meet some new friends.
  • James morris44 2012/06/05 15:31:58
    James
    lol, the wind making nipples erect has nothing to do with this.

    hahahahaha, they are out there. Hardcore lesbians do exist dude.
  • James morris44 2012/06/04 04:04:20
    James
    +1
    And answer my question... if you can. WHY take a picture? There is no point in doing so except to stir up controversy and be an attention whore.
  • morris44 James 2012/06/04 22:27:17
    morris44
    +1
    As i read the article they took pictures to be used in a campaign to increase awareness of the benefits of breastfeeding and to help reduce the stigma around it.
  • James morris44 2012/06/05 02:15:43
    James
    +1
    Why raise awareness for it? If mothers want to do it, let them! If they don't, they shouldn't have to! I'm sure all mothers are very aware about breastfeeding. Posting a picture of two mothers breastfeeding is not necessary.
  • morris44 James 2012/06/05 14:23:28
    morris44
    Actually I think there are many women who underestimate the value of breast feeding.
  • James morris44 2012/06/05 15:32:46
    James
    Maybe so, but they are going to breast feed or not to their own accord. They don't need a campaign to teach them about it.
  • HipJipC James 2012/06/04 05:43:54
    HipJipC
    +1
    Sounds like you're a bit of a pro when it comes to porn. No wonder you're so wrapped in shame.
  • James HipJipC 2012/06/04 12:59:26 (edited)
    James
    +1
    Shame? Shame has nothing to do with it. I just did a little thing called "research." Heard of it? Not only that, I wouldn't want porn splattered all over the front page of the newspaper, just like I don't want to see breastfeeding all over the fron page of a news website or newspaper. Kinda hard to look away when women are trying to force it down your throats. Like I've already said in NUMEROUS posts here: I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH BREASTFEEDING IN PUBLIC. JUST DON'T PUT IT ALL OVER THE NEWS. Were you finally able to read that bit since I capitalized it to emphasize it for you?
  • Pronata... James 2012/06/05 12:37:30
    Pronatalist Pronatalist
    I think also the "community standards" aspect of this, are pretty lax now, and so it is NOT porn. Not if there's a baby to explain for it. Even in the case of a photo to promote breastfeeding, and not prurient sexual interests.

    If you think that is porn, then don't go to a public swimming pool or beach, where bikinis all over, are the norm. You are sure to see some cleavage there, and can almost make out the shape of the vagina, in some of those spandex bikini bottoms?

    Think I saw a definition of porn once, saying that to be considered legally "obscene," something must meet all 3 requirements:

    1. Designed to arouse prurient sexual interests.
    2. Lacks serious literary merit.
    3. Violates community standards.

    Is that not a proper limited legal definition? The photos in question, violate none of these, and yet to be "obscene," they must violate all 3.

    Don't forget, if you have problems controlling your urges, you can always choose not to buy that magazine, right? If you already subscribe to it, you could turn the page?

    But I would consider the Sports Illustrated swimsuit editions, to be possibly "soft porn." Since an entire magazine of hot women in bikinis, is probably something to do with sexual interests, it probably does lack serious merit, although it might not really violate communit...
    I think also the "community standards" aspect of this, are pretty lax now, and so it is NOT porn. Not if there's a baby to explain for it. Even in the case of a photo to promote breastfeeding, and not prurient sexual interests.

    If you think that is porn, then don't go to a public swimming pool or beach, where bikinis all over, are the norm. You are sure to see some cleavage there, and can almost make out the shape of the vagina, in some of those spandex bikini bottoms?

    Think I saw a definition of porn once, saying that to be considered legally "obscene," something must meet all 3 requirements:

    1. Designed to arouse prurient sexual interests.
    2. Lacks serious literary merit.
    3. Violates community standards.

    Is that not a proper limited legal definition? The photos in question, violate none of these, and yet to be "obscene," they must violate all 3.

    Don't forget, if you have problems controlling your urges, you can always choose not to buy that magazine, right? If you already subscribe to it, you could turn the page?

    But I would consider the Sports Illustrated swimsuit editions, to be possibly "soft porn." Since an entire magazine of hot women in bikinis, is probably something to do with sexual interests, it probably does lack serious merit, although it might not really violate community standards. It might be a reason not to subscribe to the magazine at all, since even if it passes the "legal" test, many men still have a problem with porn. I would NOT consider the old catalogs with an "underwear" section to be porn, as the old ones I remember, don't really seem to show much of anything anyway, and that's not the usual, or intended reason most people look at them? Presumably, they are just shopping for clothes?
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  • James Pronata... 2012/06/05 15:41:05
    James
    Comparing breastfeeding to bikinis and underwear makes no sense. Breastfeeding can be considered softcore porn because you are exposing your full breast. A bikini covers your nipple and aerola (sp?).
    Not only for that reason but the reason that a specifically placed hand to cover/protect that area from view is classified as soft porn.

    That definition of porn is a community definition in what it has to cover to be defined as illegal for the community.

    1.) Simply covering the baby/breast with a specifically designed cloth will reduce the chances of arousing sexual interests.

    2.) How does breastfeeding pertain to literary merit? It doesn't. That's how.

    3.) In most communities, doing this will have you thrown out of somewhere or asked to go to the back or to a restroom.

    As for Sports Illustrated, it is designed to arouse sexual interests, in the purpose of later supplying a literary merit. Therefore by your definition can not be classified as porn. And by legal definition, it can not be classified as porn either since the models are covered up. However, if they had replaced their bikini with their own hand, it would be considered soft porn.

    I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at with comparing breastfeeding to shopping in a catalogue. You've kinda lost me there.

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