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Media Distort UC Davis Pepper Spray Incident?

~ The Rebel ~ 2011/11/23 00:13:39

The saddest thing about the UC Davis pepper spray incident is that the press is not reporting the incident in its entirety, nor is the press considering what other things may have occurred.

First, there’s the question of why the police were there. Presumably, they had been dispatched by some campus authority to disperse the demonstrators. This is evidently why they showed up in numbers and wearing what police call “riot gear.”

Second, nowhere in the accounts is there a description of what the police did to disperse the crowd before the pepper spray incident. Surely, they didn’t simply walk up and initiate the pepper spray action without first asking the protesters to disband and peacefully leave the area. But this is not recorded in the press accounts. It would be enlightening and perhaps even game changing if we knew exactly what happened in the minutes and hours before the pepper spray incident. But we don’t, thanks to incomplete, if not irresponsible reporting.

So the police were stuck. Do they walk away, or do they physically try to arrest and remove the protesters. The decision apparently fell to the latter. However, aware of the risks involved in physically wrestling with the protesters, the police decided to first use a police tool designed to make non-compliant persons more manageable by putting them in a temporary state of discomfort: pepper spray.

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  • Steve J~PWCM~JLA 2011/11/23 00:19:26
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
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    Reb, you really think the media is going to report the truth, or spice it up to sell their papers and shows? that's why they are called the Lame Stream News.

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  • R.A. 2011/11/23 16:52:03
    R.A.
    +2
    All these "occupy" videos are leaving out the full encounter. They never show what leads up to the actual "final" confrontation.
  • SamBam 2011/11/23 01:43:46
    SamBam
    +1
    I can't believe that the media used a 'green screen' and made up the entire incident! The sergeant in question was sauntering down the line handing out bon-bons to those unruly students! (Did you see them screaming and breaking the law!!!). The media put a pepper spray cannister in his hand in place of those chocolates! Those rascals!
  • Demonic Rat Hunter 2011/11/23 00:37:00
    Demonic Rat Hunter
    +2
    Should have used "Tear Gas" right in their faces.
  • SamBam Demonic... 2011/11/23 01:45:01
    SamBam
    +1
    And Britain should have shot the original tea partiers! Damn those 1st amendment rights!
  • JGF 2011/11/23 00:27:38
    JGF
    +2
    The video speaks for itself. Big burly cop in riot gear strides up and down in front of college kids sitting on the ground, spraying them at near point blank range with pepper spray. These kids were obviously a dire threat to his safety.

    "a temporary state of discomfort" ?!
    Please. Allow someone to spray you in the face from three feet away and, when you return from the clinic, describe your "temporary state of discomfort".
  • Steve J~PWCM~JLA 2011/11/23 00:19:26
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    Reb, you really think the media is going to report the truth, or spice it up to sell their papers and shows? that's why they are called the Lame Stream News.
  • SamBam Steve J... 2011/11/23 01:44:16
    SamBam
    +1
    What part of that video is not 'true'?
  • Steve J... SamBam 2011/11/23 02:40:10
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    The video shows how many minutes?
  • SamBam Steve J... 2011/11/23 11:35:19
    SamBam
    +1
    And I'll bet that you don't believe there was any police wrong doing in the Rodney King incident either eh?
  • Steve J... SamBam 2011/11/23 15:57:34 (edited)
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    There is one thing you have achieved the ultimate level in.


    ASS U Ming.
  • SamBam Steve J... 2011/11/23 16:50:31
    SamBam
    +1
    So.... you'll believe police brutality in one video..but not another eh?
  • Steve J... SamBam 2011/11/23 16:55:17
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Like I keep saying, go on ass u ming. It only shows your lack of intelligence.

    I always wait until all the facts are released, rather than believing what someone else wants to make me believe.
  • SamBam Steve J... 2011/11/23 17:04:59
    SamBam
    +1
    True... i mean WHY would anyone simply believe their eyes.... That video of the police man walking down the line of protesters (who are quietly sitting there) shouldn't be believed right? I bet they were whispering naughty things under their breath that made it OK for the office to spray them....
  • Steve J... SamBam 2011/11/23 18:31:35
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Well you could read this.

    http://townhall.com/columnist...

    The video and no article I read said anything about what they tried prior to disabling them, so there wouldn't be violence when they were arrested. Have you seen one?

    So I don't make an ass out of myself assuming the facts until they are presented. All the facts.
  • SamBam Steve J... 2011/11/23 19:06:51
    SamBam
    Ok.. i read the article... NO WHERE does it state that there was violence by the protesters. Period. There was nothing, (other than refusing to move) that they did to warrant being pepper sprayed.
  • Steve J... SamBam 2011/11/23 19:13:46
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    In order to break them up, the police had to become physically involved.

    Do you know how to predict the future? That would be the only way you could conceivable judge the police officers actions without the facts.

    So, judging everything in the courtroom of public lies is stupid.
  • SamBam Steve J... 2011/11/23 19:21:56
    SamBam
    So... you're saying we shouldn't trust that video?
  • Steve J... SamBam 2011/11/23 19:30:18
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    NO! The video only shows what happened not why. Are you that dense? All the facts must be released in order to determine if what the police did was wrong. All the facts have not, so to make any kind of assumptive judgement is dumb.
  • SamBam Steve J... 2011/11/23 19:44:13
    SamBam
    I KNOW what happened... the police told them to move... and they didn't. But, the difference is that you're ok with what happened next... and I'm not. It was WRONG of that police officer to do that. Period. So.. now that you've called me an ass, Dense, and that I'm lacking in intelligence... do you have any other names - or is that simply how you argue?
  • Steve J... SamBam 2011/11/23 19:51:44
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    So you were there? Or are you assuming that you know what happened?

    It is certainly wrong that they felt they had to do that. But they are sworn and paid to uphold the law. I guess they could have started wrestling with them and put the protesters and themselves in position where injuries could have happened.

    Like I said, I wasn't and I don't have all the facts, so I am not passing judgement either way.

    To do so would be dumb.

    So if you were there you did not disclose that and were intentionally baiting me. Then you were not assuming. Therefore, I did not call you an ass because you were just being dishonest.
  • SamBam Steve J... 2011/11/23 22:45:51
    SamBam
    I wasn't there. That doesn't change the facts.
    1. Protesters were told to leave - they didn't.
    2. Protesters are being peacefull - and are Pepper Sprayed.

    End of story. Police acted wrongly. Unless.. of course, you don't believe in peaceful protests. (don't forget Rosa Parks... she was told to move.. and it was the LAW).
  • Steve J... SamBam 2011/11/24 00:15:26
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Not if the police told them they were going to get pepper spray, because they were resisting arrest.
  • SamBam Steve J... 2011/11/24 00:25:57
    SamBam
    I guess we should always do what the police tell us. (sounds a bit like North Korea to me). I guess if we all thought like you, Steve, we'd all have a British accent and be singing: "God Save the Queen". Shame on you for forgetting how America came to be.
  • Steve J... SamBam 2011/11/24 00:28:12
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Funny, our issue with the King involve the military not the police. Shame on you for forgetting how we came to be.
  • SamBam Steve J... 2011/11/24 00:38:29
    SamBam
    It involves butting up against those who hold the power... nice try Stevie...
  • Steve J... SamBam 2011/11/24 01:07:27
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    And not getting arrested for breaking laws. Perhaps you should learn all the facts then you might not make so many errors and be more able to get change, or realize the change you want is wrong.
  • SamBam Steve J... 2011/11/24 01:13:06
    SamBam
    So... the original Tea Partiers were 'OK' because they didn't get arrested? That is the touchstone by which you judge a revolution?
  • Steve J... SamBam 2011/11/24 01:37:27
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    No the Tea Partiers had only three things they wanted. They were very specific and very pro growth.

    OWS, doesn't have a clue what they want. The supporters of OWS are the who's who of anti capitalism and growth.

    I research and collect all the facts. Review left and right website, when I am forced to. Cross correlate the information to eliminate the garbage. Just like I do in the stalls every morning.
  • SamBam Steve J... 2011/11/24 01:51:27
    SamBam
    Sorry Stevie.. but your response is nothing other than subjective feelings. (the OWS doesn't have a clue what it wants). I think you've been eating some of that stuff you've been mucking out. Until you can learn the difference between subjective and objective ....
  • Steve J... SamBam 2011/11/24 01:54:47
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Sam. Then enlighten me what do they want.

    Since you are so intelligent and since I've only been studying the banking system and economics for 35 years. Consulting and lending to the small businessman, that is the primary job creator in the country. Have several PhD's that regularly speak with me because of my expertise. Tell me what do they want?
  • SamBam Steve J... 2011/11/24 01:58:21
    SamBam
    They want the current laws to stop favoring the wealthy at the expense of the general population. The fault lays with politicians who accept the money, and with the wealthy who BUY those politicians. Perhaps, since you seem to be monied, you won't be able to see the forest through the trees. Have you ever seen Les Miserables? (yeah,,, I thought not)
  • Steve J... SamBam 2011/11/24 02:03:56
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    Actually, since my clientele is mostly in Real Estate and Construction, I lost everything. Well except my intelligence and ability to think for myself. So I am poor.

    If they want that, they are in the wrong place.

    They should be in DC, Sacratomato and the various capitals. it is they that create the rules. the show protest the enslavement of the small business owners, killing jobs and prosperity.

    They are clueless.

    You can give this to them. As a gift.

    Jobs are created by making things or providing a service here. They go elsewhere when it can be preformed for less.

    The cost to do something here has several components:
    1. What you take home
    2. What you and your employer have to pay the state, local and federal agencies. (taxes)
    3. What it costs your employer to follow the regulations. (SDI, Workman’s comp, OSHA, Health Care, etc.)
    4. Cost of capital
    5. Cost of energy, resources and supplies.
    6. CHI (Currency Health Indicator)
    7. Allowing a training system for employees in manufacturing like the apprentice system.
    8. Stability

    If Government laws raise any of those costs, you lose.
    If Government laws lower any of those costs you win.

    It is that simple.
    Under the "Fair Tax":

    1. YOU take home more. No tax, FICA or employment deductions.
    2. Your employer has no employment taxes, unemployment, wo...




    Actually, since my clientele is mostly in Real Estate and Construction, I lost everything. Well except my intelligence and ability to think for myself. So I am poor.

    If they want that, they are in the wrong place.

    They should be in DC, Sacratomato and the various capitals. it is they that create the rules. the show protest the enslavement of the small business owners, killing jobs and prosperity.

    They are clueless.

    You can give this to them. As a gift.

    Jobs are created by making things or providing a service here. They go elsewhere when it can be preformed for less.

    The cost to do something here has several components:
    1. What you take home
    2. What you and your employer have to pay the state, local and federal agencies. (taxes)
    3. What it costs your employer to follow the regulations. (SDI, Workman’s comp, OSHA, Health Care, etc.)
    4. Cost of capital
    5. Cost of energy, resources and supplies.
    6. CHI (Currency Health Indicator)
    7. Allowing a training system for employees in manufacturing like the apprentice system.
    8. Stability

    If Government laws raise any of those costs, you lose.
    If Government laws lower any of those costs you win.

    It is that simple.
    Under the "Fair Tax":

    1. YOU take home more. No tax, FICA or employment deductions.
    2. Your employer has no employment taxes, unemployment, workmen's comp costs. They make more TOO!
    3. No effect here but streamlining them and lowering the cost to comply would be very beneficial. Why does a business w/ 5 employees have to do everything a business with 50,000 employees does?
    4. Joblessness would drop, businesses would move back here, tax revenues would increase, the deficit would drop, lowering the cost of capital.
    5. Won't help here but would creating a responsible energy policy be TOO MUCH TO ASK?
    6. The CHI would strengthen due to increased economic activity and an increase in foreign investment.
    7. Since employees would cost less the businesses would be more willing to hire people less qualified and TRAIN THEM.
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  • ~ The Rebel ~ 2011/11/23 00:14:39
    ~ The Rebel ~
    +1
    Second, nowhere in the accounts is there a description of what the police did to disperse the crowd before the pepper spray incident. Surely, they didn’t simply walk up and initiate the pepper spray action without first asking the protesters to disband and peacefully leave the area. But this is not recorded in the press accounts. It would be enlightening and perhaps even game changing if we knew exactly what happened in the minutes and hours before the pepper spray incident. But we don’t, thanks to incomplete, if not irresponsible reporting.

    But in the absence of this information, let’s assume that the police made an effort to address the crowd and professionally and courteously asked them to disperse, or risk arrest. Any such effort clearly failed. This leaves the police with only a few options. They can retreat and leave the protesters alone, but that would be to deny their charged duty to clear the area. Alternately, they could forcibly attempt to arrest and remove the protesters. Many of the protesters were seated with arms interlocked. This means police would have had to physically engage them. The fact that the protesters were seated leaves police trying to disengage them from one another at a balance disadvantage. The cops have to bend over or crouch down to try to phy...

    Second, nowhere in the accounts is there a description of what the police did to disperse the crowd before the pepper spray incident. Surely, they didn’t simply walk up and initiate the pepper spray action without first asking the protesters to disband and peacefully leave the area. But this is not recorded in the press accounts. It would be enlightening and perhaps even game changing if we knew exactly what happened in the minutes and hours before the pepper spray incident. But we don’t, thanks to incomplete, if not irresponsible reporting.

    But in the absence of this information, let’s assume that the police made an effort to address the crowd and professionally and courteously asked them to disperse, or risk arrest. Any such effort clearly failed. This leaves the police with only a few options. They can retreat and leave the protesters alone, but that would be to deny their charged duty to clear the area. Alternately, they could forcibly attempt to arrest and remove the protesters. Many of the protesters were seated with arms interlocked. This means police would have had to physically engage them. The fact that the protesters were seated leaves police trying to disengage them from one another at a balance disadvantage. The cops have to bend over or crouch down to try to physically disengage any one individual, bring him or her to their feet and affect the arrest. The fact that the protesters had interlocked their arms was surely an effort to avoid any one individual being removed for arrest. There’s no way of knowing how strongly the protesters would have fought disengagement, but the fact is, they were inducing, baiting if you will, physical confrontation from the police. And this sort of situation doesn’t bode well for anyone.

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