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  • Just another nobody. 2009/01/03 06:00:50
    Alcohol
    Just another nobody.
    +21
    I have yet to hear of someone getting high and beating his wife to death. Or getting high and getting into a high speed accident and killing everyone in the other car. Until weed can claim some random acts of violence as a side affect then it it by far the least dangerous.

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  • aka Kaimeso 2009/01/03 16:59:05
    aka
    I did not know that this was why mj was made illegal.
  • Kaimeso aka 2009/01/03 17:23:30
    Kaimeso
    +1
    Here area few of the reasons presented during the 30's to justify the ban on Marijauna,.. All this has been covered on History, Discover, National Geographic channels along with the research into government records. More info and history is available at
    http://blogs.salon.com/000276... and other sites,...

    "There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."

    "...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."

    "Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."

    "Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."

    "Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"

    "You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."

    "Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
  • Fister Kaimeso 2009/01/03 18:00:19
    Fister
    .Nice. I'm glad you posted this. It makes a good illustration. I also Have my suspicions that pot smokers get erections when passing by a high-chair. And legitimate recourses have spoken about the pot smoker skulking into maternity-wards and nabbing newborns
  • David Kaimeso 2009/01/03 21:34:57
    David
    you are a racist idiot
  • Kaimeso David 2009/01/04 06:29:11
    Kaimeso
    And you are stupid,.. did you even bother to read the first line? You know, the one that said "Here area few of the reasons presented during the 30's to justify the ban". The key part of that was "reasons presented during the 30's",... Did you get that part,... "during the 30's"?

    Just how does pointing out a documented lie that occurred 80 years ago make me a racist? How about you re-read the post then apologize.
  • riderwriter extremist extra... 2009/01/03 16:54:03
    Alcohol
    riderwriter extremist extraordinaire
    +3
    Alcohol removes inhibitions. Pot removes motivation. alcohol alcohol removes inhibitions pot removes motivation

    Which is better, a society with no inhibitions or no motivation? Both are undesireable in my opinion. removes inhibitions pot removes motivation society inhibitions motivation undesireable opinion


    Still, pot smokers are less inclined to be violent, and that alone makes pot smoking the lesser of the two evils.
  • chief riderwr... 2009/01/03 18:00:04
    chief
    +1
    So, everyone who smokes pot is a deadbeat? That's a stereotype if there ever was one. Sounds like political propoganda to me.
  • Kaimeso riderwr... 2009/01/03 18:11:11
    Kaimeso
    +2
    "Pot removes motivation",... Same could be (and is) said for the Internet, Television, and Video Games, etc,....

    The key word in my original post was "Excess",...

    But for the false information that is spewed about Marijauna, go back to the "Are you a mind slave or free thinker" post,.. Do some research on your own, or just take the governments word for everything,..
  • chief Kaimeso 2009/01/03 18:15:58
    chief
    Nicely put
  • riderwr... Kaimeso 2009/01/06 22:14:10
    riderwriter extremist extraordinaire
    Personal experience, not government propaganda. I work in a very artistic community, both musically and visually. We know if we gotta get stuff done...we hold off on the smoke until the right time.
  • riderwr... Kaimeso 2009/01/06 22:15:44
    riderwriter extremist extraordinaire
    You're very right. Those things do remove motivation. No doubt about it. Doesn't make change anything, though.

    I don't see the word EXCESS in the question to which we are responding.
  • Kaimeso riderwr... 2009/01/06 22:37:13
    Kaimeso
    Go up about 10 and look to the first word of my first post on this thread,.. starts with "Excess". But here is again,

    "Excess of either is dangerous, but Alcohol is so widely available that makes it more of a problem. The only risky part of Marijauna are the legal issues, but the history of how it was made illegal prove there was no real danger other than it couldn't be taxed like Alcohol.

    Marijuana couldn't be controlled since it grows wild in the woods and doesn't have to be distilled or brewed like Alcohol. And without being controlled it couldn't be taxed so the government made it illegal very simply because of the tax issue.

    Additional proof is available since possession of Marijauna is completely legal if you have a permit. Unfortunately to apply for a permit you must have Marijauna in your possession which is illegal without the permit you are trying to obtain so a person has then broke the law and would be ineligible to receive a permit. Sort of like when you were a kid and your mother said you could go swimming but don't get wet,...."
  • Cloud riderwr... 2009/01/03 18:52:51
    Cloud
    You know I've been smoking pot for 46+ years and I am a very well paid Onsite Service Tech for a major Computer Company with a customer satisfaction of 100%, own my own home and I am well liked in the neighborhood. I know of no "unmotivated" smokers, in fact we have been advocates for many many years. Working to repeal the marijuana laws.
    home neighborhood unmotivated smokers advocates years working repeal marijuana laws
  • Jon Bergen 2009/01/03 16:53:06
    Alcohol
    Jon Bergen
    +3
    Alcohol. Obviously.

    The problem is: You get into more legal trouble and suffer more at the hands of the authorities if you choose to go with the safer choice...

    Marijuana.

    As I have responsibilities to others in this world, I steer clear of the ubiquitous herb. But I'm sure it's better for you than beer!

    (Or we can all move to Massachusetts, I suppose, where possession of less than an ounce earns you only a fine, with no threat of jail-time. Get ready for a population explosion, Massachusetts!)
  • chief Jon Bergen 2009/01/03 18:00:41
    chief
    +1
    California also.
  • Steve 2009/01/03 16:50:57
    Alcohol
    Steve
    +2
    hands down! alcohol hands
  • Patriotic American 2009/01/03 16:49:05
    Alcohol
    Patriotic American
    +4
    By far! Hands down no question! I have never, ever seen anyone smoke a joint and want to fight the world! I have never seen anyone die from weed, can't say the same for alcohol!
  • lil_badchica 2009/01/03 16:48:44
    Alcohol
    lil_badchica
    +2
    Marijauna just makes you want to eat and sleep.
  • Evan A.K.A Shane Sawyer 2009/01/03 16:46:30
    Alcohol
    Evan A.K.A Shane Sawyer
    +4
    Alcohol kills more people than ALL OTHER DRUGS COMBINED! Including Heroin, Cocaine, Crystal Meth and PCP. That's just an irrefutable statistical fact. The worst thing about Marijuana, is that it takes away your motivation and makes you procrastinate.
  • riderwr... Evan A.... 2009/01/03 16:56:03
    riderwriter extremist extraordinaire
    +1
    Please provide your sources for this irrefutable statistical fact. Thank you.
  • KUDABUX riderwr... 2009/01/03 17:14:29
    KUDABUX
    I'm with you, rider, we need some backup.
  • Evan A.... KUDABUX 2009/01/04 23:02:01 (edited)
    Evan A.K.A Shane Sawyer
    Here ya go! http://www.gdcada.org/statist...

    Every year, more money is spent promoting the use of alcohol than any other product. Perhaps through its elaborate and creative marketing, the most basic, yet important fact about alcohol is often overlooked — alcohol is a drug — the most commonly used and widely abused psychoactive drug in the world.

    One concept that many people find difficult to accept is that alcoholism and alcohol problems are a disease. Research has shown that alcohol interacts with the body’s systems in predictable ways to lead to physiological addiction.

    Alcoholism is a disease — a chronic, progressive, fatal disease if not treated.


    Short Term Effects
    Even at low doses, alcohol significantly impairs the judgment and coordination required to drive a car or operate machinery safely. Low to moderate doses of alcohol can also increase the incidence of a variety of aggressive acts, including domestic violence and child abuse.

    Effects of moderate alcohol intake include dizziness and talkativeness. The immediate effects of a larger amount of alcohol include slurred speech, disturbed sleep, nausea, and vomiting. “Hangovers” are another effect after large amounts of alcohol are consumed — symptoms including headache, nausea, thirst, dizziness, and fat...






















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    Here ya go! http://www.gdcada.org/statist...

    Every year, more money is spent promoting the use of alcohol than any other product. Perhaps through its elaborate and creative marketing, the most basic, yet important fact about alcohol is often overlooked — alcohol is a drug — the most commonly used and widely abused psychoactive drug in the world.

    One concept that many people find difficult to accept is that alcoholism and alcohol problems are a disease. Research has shown that alcohol interacts with the body’s systems in predictable ways to lead to physiological addiction.

    Alcoholism is a disease — a chronic, progressive, fatal disease if not treated.


    Short Term Effects
    Even at low doses, alcohol significantly impairs the judgment and coordination required to drive a car or operate machinery safely. Low to moderate doses of alcohol can also increase the incidence of a variety of aggressive acts, including domestic violence and child abuse.

    Effects of moderate alcohol intake include dizziness and talkativeness. The immediate effects of a larger amount of alcohol include slurred speech, disturbed sleep, nausea, and vomiting. “Hangovers” are another effect after large amounts of alcohol are consumed — symptoms including headache, nausea, thirst, dizziness, and fatigue.



    Long Term Effects
    Prolonged, heavy use of alcohol can lead to addiction (alcoholism). Sudden cessation of long term, extensive alcohol intake is likely to produce withdrawal symptoms, including severe anxiety, tremors, hallucinations, and convulsions.

    Long-term effects of consuming large quantities of alcohol can lead to:
    • permanent damage to vital organs
    • several different types of cancer
    • gastrointestinal irritations, such as nausea, diarrhea, and ulcers
    • malnutrition and nutritional deficiencies
    • sexual dysfunctions
    • high blood pressure
    • lowered resistance to disease

    Mothers who drink alcohol during pregnancy may give birth to infants with fetal alcohol syndrome. These infants may suffer from mental retardation and other irreversible physical abnormalities. In addition, research indicates that children of alcoholic parents are at greater risk than other children of becoming alcoholics.



    Federal Classification
    Alcohol is a legal purchased product for adults.

    Source: National Institute on Alcohol Abuse & Addiction



    Additional Online Resources
    Alcohol Treatment & Adolescents
    Alcohol: What You Don’t Know Can Harm You
    A Lesson Learned About Alcohol from Harry Potter
    Effects at Specific B.A.C. Levels
    Take an Alcohol Screening Test
    The Role of Parents in Preventing & Addressing Underage Drinking
    Tips for Teens: The Truth About Alcohol


    Alcohol Impairment Charts
    Despite the tireless efforts of thousands of advocates, impaired drivers continue to kill someone every 30 minutes, nearly 50 people a day, and almost 18,000 citizens a year. Remember — impairment begins with the first drink.

    Alcohol affects individuals differently. Your blood alcohol level is affected by your age, weight, gender, time of day, physical condition, prior amount of food consumed, other drugs or medication taken, and a multitude of other factors. In addition, different drinks may contain different amounts of alcohol, so it’s important to know how much and the concentration of alcohol you consume.

    The body metabolizes alcohol at the rate of about one drink per hour. Does drinking strong coffee or taking a cold shower have an effect on the person who is drunk? The answer is yes — the result being an alert, cold, and wet drunk. Time, and only time can sober a person up.

    A woman of equivalent weight drinking an equal amount of alcohol in the same time period of time as a man may have a higher blood alcohol concentration than that man. Therefore, women should refer to the BAC chart for women.

    Blood Alcohol Concentration Estimate – for Men
    DrinksA Body Weight In Pounds InfluenceB
    100 120 140 160 180 200 220 ...
    1 .04 .03 .02 .02 .02 .02 .02...
    2 .08 .06 .05 .05 .04 .04 .03...
    3 .11 .09 .08 .07 .06 .06 .05...
    4 .15 .12 .11 .09 .08 .08 .07...
    5 .19 .16 .13 .12 .11 .09 .09...
    6 .23 .19 .16 .14 .13 .11 .10...
    7 .26 .22 .19 .16 .15 .13 .12...
    8 .30 .25 .21 .19 .17 .15 .14...
    9 .34 .28 .24 .21 .19 .17 .15...
    10 .38 .31 .27 .23 .21 .19 .1...
    A One drink is 1.25 oz. of 80 proof liquor, 12 oz. beer, or 5 oz. of wine
    B Subtract .01 for each hour of drinking

    Blood Alcohol Contentration – for Women
    DrinksA Body Weight In Pounds InfluenceB
    90 100 120 140 160 180 200 220
    1 .05 .05 .04 .03 .03 .03 .02...
    2 .10 .09 .08 .07 .06 .05 .05...
    3 .15 .14 .11 .10 .09 .08 .07...
    4 .20 .18 .15 .13 .11 .10 .09...
    5 .25 .23 .19 .16 .14 .13 .11...
    6 .30 .27 .23 .19 .17 .15 .14...
    7 .35 .32 .27 .23 .20 .18 .16...
    8 .40 .36 .30 .26 .23 .20 .18...
    9 .45 .41 .34 .29 .26 .23 .20...
    10 .51 .45 .38 .32 .28 .25 .2...
    A One drink is 1.25 oz. of 80 proof liquor, 12 oz. beer, or 5 oz. of wine
    B Subtract .01 for each hour of drinking


    Alcohol Statistics
    More than 100,000 U.S. deaths are caused by excessive alcohol consumption each year. Direct and indirect causes of death include drunk driving, cirrhosis of the liver, falls, cancer, and stroke.1

    At least once a year, the guidelines for low risk drinking are exceeded by an estimated 74% of male drinkers and 72% of female drinkers aged 21 and older.2


    65% of youth surveyed said that they got the alcohol they drink from family and friends.7

    Nearly 14 million Americans meet diagnostic criteria for alcohol use disorders.5

    Youth who drink alcohol are 50 times more likely to use cocaine than those who never drink alcohol.3

    Among current adult drinkers, more than half say they have a blood relative who is or was an alcoholic or problem drinker.1

    Across people of all ages, males are four times as likely as females to be heavy drinkers.1

    More than 18% of Americans experience alcohol abuse or alcohol dependence at some time in their lives.6

    Traffic crashes are the greatest single cause of death for persons aged 6–33. About 45% of these fatalities are in alcohol-related crashes.4

    Underage drinking costs the United States more than $58 billion every year — enough to buy every public school student a state-of-the-art computer.2

    Alcohol is the most commonly used drug among young people.1

    Problem drinkers average four times as many days in the hospital as nondrinkers — mostly because of drinking-related injuries.1

    Alcohol kills 6½ times more youth than all other illicit drugs combined.2

    Concerning the past 30 days, 50% of high school seniors report drinking, with 32% report being drunk at least once.2
    Sources
    1 Substance Abuse: The Nation’s Number One Health Problem, Feb. 2001
    2 Mothers Against Drunk Driving
    3 National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse
    4 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
    5 Alcohol Health & Research World
    6 National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism Analysis
    7 The Century Council


    Contact Us | Agency Services | Site Map | Directory of Resources

    © 2002–2006 GDCADA, All Rights Reserved. Last Updated March 6, 2006
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  • KUDABUX Evan A.... 2009/01/05 00:10:09
    KUDABUX
    Thank you for the facts. :-)
  • Evan A.... riderwr... 2009/01/03 17:32:34
    Evan A.K.A Shane Sawyer
    The actual number is that alcohol causes 6 1/2 times the number of deaths caused by all other drugs combined. I had a drunk driving conviction some years back. I went through court ordered drunk driving victims impact classes 4 hours every week for 15 weeks, that was run by Mothers Against Drunk Driving, and the Department Of Transportation. Here is a link to the The Greater Dallas Council on Alcohol and Drug Abuse. They run the classes for the Dallas area. Here is the link for the data you're looking for. http://www.gdcada.org/statist...
  • KUDABUX Evan A.... 2009/01/05 00:11:47
    KUDABUX
    But I don't see the comparison between alcohol deaths with all the other drugs. I know you stated 6-1/2 times the number of deaths, but where does it say that?
  • Evan A.... KUDABUX 2009/01/05 02:10:37
    Evan A.K.A Shane Sawyer
    +1
    About 6 or 7 inches from the bottom of the page.the bottom of the page.
  • KUDABUX Evan A.... 2009/01/05 03:19:12
    KUDABUX
    Thanks, Evan. :-)
  • babygirl69 2009/01/03 16:46:09
    Alcohol
    babygirl69
    +1
    alcohol pisoning cuz my friends mom die from alcohol pisoning and my other frineds mom just got high as hell
  • chief babygirl69 2009/01/03 18:02:50
    chief
    What?
  • babygirl69 chief 2009/01/05 23:01:10
    babygirl69
    what do u want to know
  • Jen**GPAC** 2009/01/03 16:45:43
    Alcohol
    Jen**GPAC**
    +2
    Suuree pot makes you act like a goof.. and if you smoke it enough..you MIGHT start stupid things like paying your cell phone bill.. or to wash you curtains to get the hempish smell out of them.. but alcohol.. I have been present at a bar where a man's liver was bleeding .. he was there everynight drinking.. until he couldn't steady himself on the bar stools.. last I heard .. his supposedly girlfriend sent him to his family in Texas.. she was a drunk too.. she didn't want him ruining her good time.
  • American Rhetoric Review 2009/01/03 16:44:55
    Undecided
    American Rhetoric Review
    +1
    Anything in excess is not good... But I don't think one is any worse than the other. I say legalize it and tax the hell out of it!
  • walrus eggman 2009/01/03 16:44:04 (edited)
    Alcohol
    walrus eggman
    Marijuana burns fingers and alcohol explodes faces. ;)
  • kgirl145 2009/01/03 16:41:39
    Alcohol
    kgirl145
    alcohol there are sooooo many dangerous things that happen to people that drink too much and most get into accidents from their behavior after drinking.
  • bye 2009/01/03 16:39:11
  • Vegas911 2009/01/03 16:35:38
    Alcohol
    Vegas911
    +1
    Alcohol, by far.........I don't think I have heard of anyone smoking a joint and driving thier car into a station wagon full of children, killing 4 in my life!!!
  • KUDABUX Vegas911 2009/01/03 17:18:06
    KUDABUX
    Marijuana Raises Risk of Fatal Car Crash
    French Study Shows Pot Smokers More Likely to Be Responsible for Deadly Accident

    WebMD Health NewsDec. 1, 2005 - People who drive after using marijuana are nearly twice as likely to be involved in a fatal car crash.

    French researchers studied all drivers involved in fatal car crashes over a two-year period and found 7% tested positive for marijuana, including nearly 3% who tested positive for a combination of marijuana and alcohol.

    Although marijuana's share of fatal crashes is much lower than those attributed to alcohol, researchers say the results show that marijuana use, even in low doses, significantly increases the risk of fatal car accidents.

    More Pot, More Deaths
    In the study, published in the medical journal BMJ, researchers reviewed information on 10,748 drivers who were involved in fatal car crashes and took required tests for drugs and alcohol.

    Twice as many drivers involved in fatal car accidents tested positive for marijuana compared with a group of other drivers.

    Researchers say about 2.5% of the fatal crashes were attributable to marijuana compared with nearly 29% attributable to alcohol.

    The study also showed that drivers who tested positive for marijuana were more than three times as likely to be responsi...
    Marijuana Raises Risk of Fatal Car Crash
    French Study Shows Pot Smokers More Likely to Be Responsible for Deadly Accident

    WebMD Health NewsDec. 1, 2005 - People who drive after using marijuana are nearly twice as likely to be involved in a fatal car crash.

    French researchers studied all drivers involved in fatal car crashes over a two-year period and found 7% tested positive for marijuana, including nearly 3% who tested positive for a combination of marijuana and alcohol.

    Although marijuana's share of fatal crashes is much lower than those attributed to alcohol, researchers say the results show that marijuana use, even in low doses, significantly increases the risk of fatal car accidents.

    More Pot, More Deaths
    In the study, published in the medical journal BMJ, researchers reviewed information on 10,748 drivers who were involved in fatal car crashes and took required tests for drugs and alcohol.

    Twice as many drivers involved in fatal car accidents tested positive for marijuana compared with a group of other drivers.

    Researchers say about 2.5% of the fatal crashes were attributable to marijuana compared with nearly 29% attributable to alcohol.

    The study also showed that drivers who tested positive for marijuana were more than three times as likely to be responsible for the fatal car crash. Researchers say the likelihood of being at fault increased as the blood concentration of marijuana increased
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  • Vegas911 KUDABUX 2009/01/03 17:25:12
    Vegas911
    In 2006, there were 13,470 fatalities in crashes involving an alcohol-impaired driver, 32 percent of total traffic fatalities for the year.

    Drinking and driving causes over 25,000 deaths a year. According to the NHTSA web site, there were 43,443 alcohol related traffic fatalities in 2005 in the USA. As a comparison, AIDS claimed 18,000 lives.
    5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are attributed to alcohol.
    15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are attributed to alcohol.
    30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are attributed to alcohol.
    30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.
    30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.
    40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.
    45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.
    60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

    How many directly linked majauana deaths a year?? 0, from weed itself. When people mix weed with other substances, then it could be deadly, but thats from the other substances, and normal not the mix of the two drugs. People will tell you so many people die of marijuana every year, but don't forget that it takes weed 20-40 days to leave your system, so a lot can happen between that time period!
  • chief Vegas911 2009/01/03 18:18:25
    chief
    +1
    There are many pot related deaths from the government and other crime bosses trying to take it from people.
  • Vegas911 chief 2009/01/03 19:13:41
    Vegas911
    +1
    Well, I can't argue with you there! Thats very true!

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