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Arizona1950 2012/09/19 04:45:15

No matter what party you are affliated with be Libertarian this November ... Promote a free and virtuous society characterized by individual liberty and sustained by the (Christian) religious principles of freedom, opportunity, and respect. Libertarianism advocates personal rights, limited government, an entrepreneurial private sector, and sound solutions to state and local policies based upon the principles and direction of our Constitution and founding principles.

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Be Libertarian this election year … Vote Gary Johnson 2012 and take a positive direction for a much smaller government; one that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. Join the Libertarians as we embrace individual responsibility, oppose government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.

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  • Striker holly g... 2012/09/21 17:12:15
    Striker
    +2
    That's a truth, Holly. "Liberal" has become nothing better than an incomprehensible label. Jefferson, the classical liberal, stood for being liberal with freedom. Today's liberal isn't... instead they are liberal with other people's money and use government to steal and redistribute "for the greater good", which is what many call "progressive" but what is truly marxist.
  • holly g... Striker 2012/09/21 18:11:43
    holly go lightly
    +1
    i can see where that might confuse folks.If Someone called me a classical liberal,and I did not know the difference,I'm sure it would tic me off.
    You are so right on about how things have changed.
  • FeedFwd jackola... 2012/09/20 00:43:06
  • Tinka123 2012/09/19 14:05:41
    Tinka123
    +7
    The principles of Libertarianism are solid. I don't think there's a need to inject religion into it at all. Liberty will suffice.
  • holly g... Tinka123 2012/09/19 15:45:45
    holly go lightly
    +4
    Natural law.
  • Tinka123 holly g... 2012/09/19 18:49:12
    Tinka123
    +2
    Right on :)
  • holly g... Tinka123 2012/09/19 18:57:33
  • Tinka123 holly g... 2012/09/19 19:06:52
    Tinka123
    +1
    Most Welcome :)
  • ConLibF... holly g... 2012/09/19 19:46:26
    ConLibFraud
    +3
    Bingo! Natural common law! The golden rule.
  • holly g... ConLibF... 2012/09/19 19:58:05
    holly go lightly
    +3
    It is a rare person that can't make it work.
  • ConLibF... holly g... 2012/09/19 20:31:28
    ConLibFraud
    +4
    Yep but if everyone did .... paradise!
  • holly g... ConLibF... 2012/09/19 20:48:31
  • FeedFwd ConLibF... 2012/09/20 00:46:28
    FeedFwd
    +2
    Not a liberal paradise.... Liberals want everything for free without responsibility. Conservatives are marginally better, but they want to use government to enforce their ideas of morality.
  • ConLibF... FeedFwd 2012/09/20 00:52:10
  • Striker ConLibF... 2012/09/21 17:16:14
    Striker
    +3
    Well done.
  • Striker FeedFwd 2012/09/21 17:14:50
    Striker
    +2
    The Liberals of which you speak...aren't. Those call themselves "progressive" now.
  • Arizona... Tinka123 2012/09/20 02:19:37
    Arizona1950
    +1
    Libertarianism advocates personal rights, limited government, an entrepreneurial private sector, and sound solutions to state and local policies based upon the principles and direction of our founding principles and Constitution. Libertarians seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others. Now from where do they get these rights … but from the principles of our Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal with unalienable rights granted by the Creator (God) and not man.

    “Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.”
    ~ James Madison
  • Tinka123 Arizona... 2012/09/20 13:11:32
    Tinka123
    +1
    I know the principles of Libertarianism. But Religion and Govt. are a toxic combination. No matter what 'religion' it is.
  • Arizona... Tinka123 2012/09/21 01:16:41
    Arizona1950
    +1
    You confuse me talking about our founding principles with religion. Sadly many do ... this blog is not about religion
  • Tinka123 Arizona... 2012/09/21 12:15:27 (edited)
    Tinka123
    +1
    Well, there was emphasis on 'Christian religious principles.' And that's all good and* well individually, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that Libertarian Principles were a product of that, even if they are conducive to it.
  • NightRyder 2012/09/19 13:57:55 (edited)
    NightRyder
    What view is this;

    Here is a little known snippet that most may have never heard from Lincoln, and as much as I admire the man, he was no economist. By the way, that old saying; “He thinks money grows on trees” came from this view. When you read this, think stimulus. Perhaps Bush may have tried this in 2007.

    “The government should create; issue, and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers..... The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government's greatest creative opportunity. By the adoption of these principles, the long-felt want for a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest, discounts and exchanges. The financing of all public enterprises, the maintenance of stable government and ordered progress, and the conduct of the Treasury will become matters of practical administration. The people can and will be furnished with a currency as safe as their own government. Money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power." Abraham Lincoln Senate document 23, Page 91. 1865 despotism.

    When the money comes from Gold and s...

    What view is this;

    Here is a little known snippet that most may have never heard from Lincoln, and as much as I admire the man, he was no economist. By the way, that old saying; “He thinks money grows on trees” came from this view. When you read this, think stimulus. Perhaps Bush may have tried this in 2007.

    “The government should create; issue, and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers..... The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government's greatest creative opportunity. By the adoption of these principles, the long-felt want for a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest, discounts and exchanges. The financing of all public enterprises, the maintenance of stable government and ordered progress, and the conduct of the Treasury will become matters of practical administration. The people can and will be furnished with a currency as safe as their own government. Money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power." Abraham Lincoln Senate document 23, Page 91. 1865 despotism.

    When the money comes from Gold and silver it is the servant of the people, but when the money is moved from gold or silver standard ('Bimetallic Standard'), and based on the economy, as this theory does, then the people become servants to the Government.

    Lincoln was called a Republican, but grand pa, who first told his version of this to me 50 years ago, said that was no Republician view, and all he could call it was a communist view. Well, I know it isn't really a socialist view either (It is not a "Distribute the wealth" type theory), so which political system does it belong to?
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  • FeedFwd NightRyder 2012/09/20 00:50:40
    FeedFwd
    Mistaken? Unenlightened? Dangerous?
  • NightRyder FeedFwd 2012/09/20 03:14:49 (edited)
    NightRyder
    Mistaken? Not quite, go to Library of Congress.gov, look up Abraham Lincoln papers, in them find "Senate document 23", go to Page 91.
  • FeedFwd NightRyder 2012/09/20 12:04:01
    FeedFwd
    +2
    Sorry, my weak sense of humor failed. I was referring to the type of political system as per the last question in your quote and not to the veracity of your post.
  • NightRyder FeedFwd 2012/09/20 15:43:26 (edited)
    NightRyder
    +1
    In that case, you answer, humor or not, was spot on. Lincoln's thinking on the matter was all three. As to the party; Bush and Obama have shown that the Democrats and Republicians are closer to the same frame of mind than most want to believe.
  • Striker NightRyder 2012/09/21 17:20:53
    Striker
    +1
    Decent thoughts, but how do they fit the subject of this post?
  • NightRyder Striker 2012/09/21 18:02:01
    NightRyder
    That both Democrats and Republicians, and their leaders are of the same mind on the subject. However, that does not make them a dirty word either. But when you come to the bottom line;

    libertarian \"li-bər-'ter-ē-ən, -'te-rē-\ n (1789)
    1 : an advocate of the doctrine of free will
    2 a : a person who upholds the principles of individual liberty esp. of thought and action b cap: a member of a political party advocating libertarian principles
    — libertarian adj
    — lib•er•tar•i•an•ism \-ē-ə-"ni-zəm\ n

    2liberal n (1820) : a person who is liberal: as a : one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways b cap: a member or supporter of a liberal political party c : an advocate or adherent of liberalism esp. in individual rights

    Now let's consider the points of simularity, point 1;

    "an advocate of the doctrine of free will"

    "one who is open-minded"

    In the matter of "free will" it is the same as "Open minded" and both will eventually lead to a form of being "not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways." Jesus had that problem with the Pharisees.

    Point 2;

    "a person who upholds the principles of individual liberty esp. of thought and action"

    "an advocate or adherent of liberalism esp. (especia...









    That both Democrats and Republicians, and their leaders are of the same mind on the subject. However, that does not make them a dirty word either. But when you come to the bottom line;

    libertarian \"li-bər-'ter-ē-ən, -'te-rē-\ n (1789)
    1 : an advocate of the doctrine of free will
    2 a : a person who upholds the principles of individual liberty esp. of thought and action b cap: a member of a political party advocating libertarian principles
    — libertarian adj
    — lib•er•tar•i•an•ism \-ē-ə-"ni-zəm\ n

    2liberal n (1820) : a person who is liberal: as a : one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways b cap: a member or supporter of a liberal political party c : an advocate or adherent of liberalism esp. in individual rights

    Now let's consider the points of simularity, point 1;

    "an advocate of the doctrine of free will"

    "one who is open-minded"

    In the matter of "free will" it is the same as "Open minded" and both will eventually lead to a form of being "not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways." Jesus had that problem with the Pharisees.

    Point 2;

    "a person who upholds the principles of individual liberty esp. of thought and action"

    "an advocate or adherent of liberalism esp. (especially) in individual rights"

    The wording may be different but the meaning is the same. And again leads to, in either case; a form of being "not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms"

    When "free will", "individual liberty", and "individual rights" are all brought together, that is a "Democracy".

    A Republic is a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law, or a Constitution.

    2Republican adj (1690)
    1 a : of, relating to, or having the characteristics of a republic b : favoring, supporting, or advocating a republic c : belonging or appropriate to one living in or supporting a republic ‹~ simplicity›
    2 capa : Democratic-Republican b : of, relating to, or constituting the one of the two major political parties evolving in the U.S. in the mid-19th century that is primarily associated with business, financial, and some agricultural interests and is held to favor a restricted governmental role in economic life
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  • Striker NightRyder 2012/09/21 18:19:00
    Striker
    +1
    It's really much shorter and simpler than all that:

    http://www.lp.org/platform
  • NightRyder Striker 2012/09/21 19:45:32 (edited)
    NightRyder
    All that is nobel and good, but how is the real world? Roughly 4000 years ago, before Moses was given the first five books of civil government as a platform. It was reported in the first book, Genesis, that "God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Genesis 6:5)

    So God destroyed man off the earth, all except Noah. However, after the Flood, God said; "I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for "the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth"; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. (Genesis 8:21)

    Thus, the blith on man from Adam was not destroyed, as was proven a little farther on in Genesis. Therefore, those that expect "pease on earth" will never see it. Jesus said; "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)

    That sword was not a litteral sword as some might think, but was the spiritual laws of God in a book, the one we call the Bible today. However, it's purpose was not to end war, but to provide solid judgment on those that love gain through war, disagreement, and living murder. (1 John 4:20)

    It was for the purpose stated by Jesus in John 12:48; "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."
  • Doc. J 2012/09/19 12:19:30
    Doc. J
    +2
    Libertarianism is just fine.
    As long as it is not carried to an extreme. There are some out there who's definition of libertarianism stops just short of anarchy.
    In fact I have heard it said that libertarianism is anarchy for the upper class....

    All things in moderation.
  • Arizona... Doc. J 2012/09/19 13:03:12 (edited)
    Arizona1950
    +4
    I believe both the DEMS and the REPUBS have carried it to extreme. You either support the 1st video or you support the 2nd.

    This blog is not about religion or class ... its about preserving our Constitution and way of life.

    This is happening in America ... sad thing is, it should never have had to come to this ...



    Freedom is lost gradually by an uninterested, uniformed, and uninvolved people.
    ~ Thomas Jefferson
  • holly g... Doc. J 2012/09/19 16:05:13
    holly go lightly
    I don't see how it can be carried to an extreme.Would you elaborate on that.At a certain point anarchist abandon Libertarianism and choose anarchy.
    Are you saying it is like the proverbial gateway drug........likely to morph into something else?
  • Doc. J holly g... 2012/09/20 00:51:10
    Doc. J
    +1
    Happily.
    I have run into more than a coule of people here who are self described "libertairians" who are mostly interested in not paying any taxes.....and think the federal government should be no larger than the one or two people needed to shake hands with other heads of state.
    They don't believe that there should be any such thing as federal law, or jurisdiction.
  • holly g... Doc. J 2012/09/20 00:59:28
    holly go lightly
    +1
    I still ask the same question.how can libertarianism be carried too far?
  • Doc. J holly g... 2012/09/20 01:20:02
    Doc. J
    +1
    When it places what is good for one of us, over what is good for all of us.
  • holly g... Doc. J 2012/09/20 01:31:43
    holly go lightly
    +2
    Good gawd.My rights end at the tip of your nose.And vise versa.I see very little chance of that ever happening as it does these days in our present form of government.
    What is good for all of us is to decide what is good for each of us individually.
  • Doc. J holly g... 2012/09/20 09:32:29
    Doc. J
    +2
    I have no problem with that.
    What I do not care for is the "I got mine, f*ck everyone else" attitude that prevails in some quarters these days.

    Gone is the notion that "We must all hang together, or we will surely all hang seperately".
  • holly g... Doc. J 2012/09/20 17:37:57
    holly go lightly
    +2
    All libertarians I know of are smart enough to know there is safety in numbers and it is easier to help one another than it is to struggle alone.GEEEZE,you are trying (quite unsuccessfully)To make us look like uncaring and stupid monsters.
    You need to back up and do some digging for information(try looking up natural law for a start) so you can cut this ridiculous crap out.You sound like the one guy that would be too hateful and uninformed to understand the world in which he lives.
  • Doc. J holly g... 2012/09/20 23:19:29
    Doc. J
    When I said "there are those"....it was meant to infer that not all libertarians believe along those lines.

    You may wish to check out my "about me" portion of my profile page.
    I need not gather any information....I have gone off of what I have seen out of some and compared it to my own stance. I have not made ONE blanket generalizing statement about libertarians.

    And I am quite familiar with natural law as I frequently refer to it while arguing with bible-thumpers about the origin of human morality.
  • holly g... Doc. J 2012/09/21 00:22:34
    holly go lightly
    +1
    "Gone is the notion that "We must all hang together, or we will surely all hang seperately".

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