Legit question. Why do Christians say the bible is proof of god?
666_Maggots~PassionForGlory BN-1
2012/07/09 21:15:50
Just because something is written doesn't mean that it is true right?
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The Sane One 2012/07/09 21:29:12
The question was "Why do Christians say the bible is proof of god?".
And it is (to me) and it isn't (to you) as the verse states.
If so, I suggest you hold off on slinging around words like "idiotic."
Paraphrasing, I'm sure, from the Gospel of Thomas: The kingdom of God is within you and all around you. Not in mansions of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and you will find me. Lift a stone and I am there.
The Roman Catholic church did not consider the Gospel of Thomas as canonical, as it challenged the authority of the church. You need no intercessor (a priest) to have access to God and Christ and, although I love cathedrals, these are unnecessary works of man as far as the faith is concerned. Therefore, it was considered heresy.
The more interesting thing to me right now is Higgs Boson and VMAT2. With Higgs Boson, particle physicists, such as Rob Romer of the Fermilab in Chicago, are, in his words, only a hair's breadth away from provin...
Paraphrasing, I'm sure, from the Gospel of Thomas: The kingdom of God is within you and all around you. Not in mansions of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and you will find me. Lift a stone and I am there.
The Roman Catholic church did not consider the Gospel of Thomas as canonical, as it challenged the authority of the church. You need no intercessor (a priest) to have access to God and Christ and, although I love cathedrals, these are unnecessary works of man as far as the faith is concerned. Therefore, it was considered heresy.
The more interesting thing to me right now is Higgs Boson and VMAT2. With Higgs Boson, particle physicists, such as Rob Romer of the Fermilab in Chicago, are, in his words, only a hair's breadth away from proving the existence of God. Those are the things that we should watch for. Then the Bible would become relevant and be considered in a different light by anyone who is aware of such a discovery.
hehe. There it is again }:o)
Literally, that's like saying because I write something like "pigs can fly!", that it's true because I will it to be so.
I do know of hundreds of Atheists (100%) who cannot justify their position that No God exists in legitimate arguments or evidence. So they make up asinine questions like this to smear Christians.
I justify my belief in evidence and reason every single time. You Atheists fail to justify your belief every single time.
You lied and claimed you were not Atheist (several times) when I had you tied in logical knots. You lied about not being LaVeyan.
You are lying when you claim I can't justify my beliefs. I do every time.
Liars suck
100% of Atheists have failed to defeat any of the evidence I present.
You can't either.
Burden of proof. The reason "100% of Atheists" have "failed to defeat" any of the evidence you present is because you didn't present any.
All beliefs should be justified.
Here is a very cursory outline of some of the best evidences for God. The full arguments and evidences are not NOT adequately explained here. This is a very compacted outline I put together - not comprehensive.
Contingency – Why does something exist rather than nothing? Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause, so Something must self-exist. Self-existence is necessary. Self –creation is impossible. The Universe began. Universe is not self-existent. Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence. God does not – no beginning.
Cosmological – Absolute beginning requires a cause. Cause of Physical Universe cannot be Physical. Must be non-physical, space-less, timeless and willful to cause Physical Universe from Physical Nothingness.
Design: Specified ordered and integrated interdependencies aimed towards a third-purpose design objectives clearly infer intelligent agency. ‘Chance’ events within limited time-frames cannot rationally account for Design achievements No plausible Naturalistic mechanisms or explanations ac...
All beliefs should be justified.
Here is a very cursory outline of some of the best evidences for God. The full arguments and evidences are not NOT adequately explained here. This is a very compacted outline I put together - not comprehensive.
Contingency – Why does something exist rather than nothing? Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause, so Something must self-exist. Self-existence is necessary. Self –creation is impossible. The Universe began. Universe is not self-existent. Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence. God does not – no beginning.
Cosmological – Absolute beginning requires a cause. Cause of Physical Universe cannot be Physical. Must be non-physical, space-less, timeless and willful to cause Physical Universe from Physical Nothingness.
Design: Specified ordered and integrated interdependencies aimed towards a third-purpose design objectives clearly infer intelligent agency. ‘Chance’ events within limited time-frames cannot rationally account for Design achievements No plausible Naturalistic mechanisms or explanations actually exist. Origin of radically sophisticated DNA information (software) driving molecular highly sophisticated molecular machines within each cell. Also, the design inference from irreducible complexity cannot and certainly has not been adequately explained.
Precision FINELY TUNED constants and quantities present in initial conditions of the Universe to within infinitesimally narrow ranges to permit life. Universe is precision balanced on razor’s edge. This is virtual mathematical proof of intent – a function of mind – is necessary to explain these precision orderings.
Ontological argument – God is a metaphysically necessary Being. Since God’s attributes are metaphysically possible, and all metaphysical possibilities must also be actual if possible, God must be actual.
Intelligence in Nature: Intelligence, order and reason and information all from Nothingness?
Spiritual instinct of man: Evolved to connect with something not actual?
Free-will: Chemical causation is not free-will. Agency requires a soul. Chemicals have no moral duties.
Moral Truth / Apprehension of Objective moral truth. Is rape really wrong or just an illusion? Is rape just a natural chemical byproduct caused by electrochemical activity (Atheism) – or an act of will.
Massive Historical evidences of witnessed Miracles, visions, fulfilled prophecies,.
Personal experiences: Ubiquitous NDE’s, supernatural phenomena
Christ’s resurrection witnessed by hundreds.
Absolute failure of Naturalism to explain a Finely tuned Universe, Finite Universe, Sentience, Rational truth and natural order, Moral Law (morality), intuition, intentionality, intelligence, purpose, free-will
I gave you massive evidence. You cannot begin to refute it. Nobody can. Your burden just increased. You still have no evidence or arguments to justify your belief that No God exists.
Better find a better excuse.
You gave no evidence, so why would I refute it? Nobody would. Burden still lies on you to justify that God (or any other deity, for that matter) should exist.
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(fact) the burden is on any claim or belief to justify. Atheism is a belief position. Atheism is not neutral on belief. Atheism shares a burden to justify, just as Theism shares in the burden.
(fact) I have more than fulfilled my burden to justify my belief in arguments and evidence you cannot defeat. See evidence and arguments below
(fact) You have not fulfilled your burden to justify Athiest belief
You should stop cowering and making excuses for the fact Atheism is indefensible in reason. If you seriously wan't to debate the relative merits, prepare to get slaughtered in reason.
Here is a very cursory outline of some of the best evidences for God. The full arguments and evidences are not NOT adequately explained here. This is a very compacted outline I put together - not comprehensive.
Contingency – Why does something exist rather than nothing? Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause, so Something must self-exist. Self-existence is necessary. Self –creation is impossible. The Universe began. Universe is not self-existent. Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence. God does not – no beginning.
Cosmological – Absolute beginning requires a cause. Cause of Physical Universe cannot be Physical. Must be n...
(fact) the burden is on any claim or belief to justify. Atheism is a belief position. Atheism is not neutral on belief. Atheism shares a burden to justify, just as Theism shares in the burden.
(fact) I have more than fulfilled my burden to justify my belief in arguments and evidence you cannot defeat. See evidence and arguments below
(fact) You have not fulfilled your burden to justify Athiest belief
You should stop cowering and making excuses for the fact Atheism is indefensible in reason. If you seriously wan't to debate the relative merits, prepare to get slaughtered in reason.
Here is a very cursory outline of some of the best evidences for God. The full arguments and evidences are not NOT adequately explained here. This is a very compacted outline I put together - not comprehensive.
Contingency – Why does something exist rather than nothing? Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause, so Something must self-exist. Self-existence is necessary. Self –creation is impossible. The Universe began. Universe is not self-existent. Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence. God does not – no beginning.
Cosmological – Absolute beginning requires a cause. Cause of Physical Universe cannot be Physical. Must be non-physical, space-less, timeless and willful to cause Physical Universe from Physical Nothingness.
Design: Specified ordered and integrated interdependencies aimed towards a third-purpose design objectives clearly infer intelligent agency. ‘Chance’ events within limited time-frames cannot rationally account for Design achievements No plausible Naturalistic mechanisms or explanations actually exist. Origin of radically sophisticated DNA information (software) driving molecular highly sophisticated molecular machines within each cell. Also, the design inference from irreducible complexity cannot and certainly has not been adequately explained.
Precision FINELY TUNED constants and quantities present in initial conditions of the Universe to within infinitesimally narrow ranges to permit life. Universe is precision balanced on razor’s edge. This is virtual mathematical proof of intent – a function of mind – is necessary to explain these precision orderings.
Ontological argument – God is a metaphysically necessary Being. Since God’s attributes are metaphysically possible, and all metaphysical possibilities must also be actual if possible, God must be actual.
Intelligence in Nature: Intelligence, order and reason and information all from Nothingness?
Spiritual instinct of man: Evolved to connect with something not actual?
Free-will: Chemical causation is not free-will. Agency requires a soul. Chemicals have no moral duties.
Moral Truth / Apprehension of Objective moral truth. Is rape really wrong or just an illusion? Is rape just a natural chemical byproduct caused by electrochemical activity (Atheism) – or an act of will.
Massive Historical evidences of witnessed Miracles, visions, fulfilled prophecies,.
Personal experiences: Ubiquitous NDE’s, supernatural phenomena
Christ’s resurrection witnessed by hundreds.
Absolute failure of Naturalism to explain a Finely tuned Universe, Finite Universe, Sentience, Rational truth and natural order, Moral Law (morality), intuition, intentionality, intelligence, purpose, free-will
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(fact) beliefs are not claims
(fact) The belief that no God exists is an affirmative belief position just as much as a belief that God exists.
You got spanked - but lack the honesty to admit it.
Atheism is mindless. You cannot justify your belief.
Fact is, none of you Atheists have provided intellectual justification whatsoever. It's MINDLESS.
1) Your question presumes you know what God's ultimate purposes ought to be. You simply cannot make that presumption. .
2) You presume that people would seek God more if He imposed Himself upon us. Bad assumption.
3) You treat the Bible as one book. The Bible recognizes the Bible to be many books, Why is one lone book more authoritative than many books compiled under one cover? You Atheists would simply deny and attack the authenticity of one author - rather than the many who authored and recorded over long periods.