Jesus told us how to treat our enemies, do you agree with Jesus?
Kyra
2012/06/18 13:59:48
Luke 6:27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also.
Romans 12 “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Wish good for those who harm you; wish them well and do not curse them.
Matthew 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
luke 9:54Lord, do You wish us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them? But He turned and rebuked and severely censured them. Jesus said, You do not know of what sort of spirit influences you, For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them
Ephesians 4:30 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
John14;27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
Romans 12 “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Wish good for those who harm you; wish them well and do not curse them.
Matthew 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
luke 9:54Lord, do You wish us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them? But He turned and rebuked and severely censured them. Jesus said, You do not know of what sort of spirit influences you, For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them
Ephesians 4:30 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
John14;27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
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morning40oz~mad as hell 2012/06/22 14:25:52Yes+6You are going to get a lot of answers stating yes. Ironically, though, many, MANY, will gladly applaud war with Iran as they have every other war in their lifetimes, ironically making the claim these things are done in the name of peace.






















1 John2:5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
John 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
Ephesians 4:30 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
We are to give forgiveness in order to receive it.
12And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
But even Jesus fought against corruption.
Luke 22:35-38
35 And He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?" So they said, "Nothing."
36 Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.
37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."
38 So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough.
There is a time to fight for the defense of your life or beliefs and a tim...
25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
We are to give forgiveness in order to receive it.
12And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
But even Jesus fought against corruption.
Luke 22:35-38
35 And He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?" So they said, "Nothing."
36 Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.
37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."
38 So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough.
There is a time to fight for the defense of your life or beliefs and a time to turn the other cheek to show your support of them. If the instigator only seeks to embarrass or humiliate you then you should forgive him if he seeks to do you or others real harm you may defend yourself.
Turn the other cheek isn't just anyone either .
People ,... if it doesn't sound right , it usually isn't - translation is so important since Scripture wasn't written in English , nor the deceivers' language Latin .
You don't sound right.
You should know by now , that I (because it is NOT of me) , am very strict in doctrine .
Go back to the verses concerning "turning the other cheek" and pick up on the subject , & or object of the sentence / verses in this case .
Usually preceeds the verse in question .
Who was speaking (teaching from the Pulpit) , that is authorized to smack the other subject , of the verse (the one that interupted the teaching ) ?
Christians are NOT 2nd class citizens , to be stepped on & beaten = if it doesn't sound right , it probably isn't / that is , the understanding of the reader - not the Scripture .
If you stand up in Church and yell at the Pastor , telling everyone being taught G_D' Word "about how much you disagree with what the Pastor or Rabbi is saying" , He (the Pastor) can slap you for it , and you then are to turn the other cheek & allow him to slap the other side if he deems necessary = what the verses mean .
Lets do as suggested : your point located in Matthew 5:39 , takes us back to Matt.5:1 ,... Who is speaking ? Jesus , a Rabbi = teacher of Scripture , known in a Church as a Pastor .
Now lets go to Matt.5:33-37 = exactly what I said , "that if this is going on" in the Church , while a Pastor is speaking "teaching Scripture" (33-37 are the law of perjury) = someone standing up & interfering ) ; then in verses 38-42 which is the law of retaliation) , that the Pastor has the right to do under these circumstances - contains your verse of the appropriate retaliation .
His response to you is well.....wrong and off the wall....
I think its cute how you call Latin "the deceivers language"...... Afterall, were it not for the Catholic Church, and Saint Gerome translating the early books into Latin....its highly unlikely that there would be a Bible. The Canon was established by the Councils of Catholic Bishops in the 4th Century.
You can try to argue the point...but the simple fact is that there were no other Christian religions at the time other than Catholicism, and other than Catholics there were only Jews and pagans.....
There is nothing deceptive about Latin or the Catholic Church, but there have been many deceptive teachings by false prophets heaped on the unsuspecting who are not Catholics.
Beyond that....there has probably not been anyone for for hundreds of years who actually speaks or can actually translate the ancient languages.
Before you attempt to respond....answer these two questions:
1. Why do you find it necessary to take a cheap potshot at another religion in order to justify your beliefs?
2. Why did King James issue a threat of death to anyone who deleted the Apocryphal Books from the Bible?
2. The answer to your number two is somewhere there in the answer to #1. Its commissioning led to and facilitated government institutionalization of religion used as a tool of control over the masses, and that is part of the reason for King James' threat.
3. If The Bible had not been commissioned in that way, maybe we would not be so split apart and pit against one another by a book. The books of the Bible and many more such were already written, and every...
2. The answer to your number two is somewhere there in the answer to #1. Its commissioning led to and facilitated government institutionalization of religion used as a tool of control over the masses, and that is part of the reason for King James' threat.
3. If The Bible had not been commissioned in that way, maybe we would not be so split apart and pit against one another by a book. The books of the Bible and many more such were already written, and everywhere. What we got from the Church (which was aligned with government) is like Cliff Notes of 5000 yrs of collected texts, and not necessarily as good as Cliff Notes, since it does not give us the whole of any story or teaching, and may or may not give us the truth or meat of any particular teaching; and anyway, The Word of God cannot possibly all be put into a man made book. On the other hand, I think we still haven't mastered the big 10, which were written apparently by fire from the sky, and are very short and simple commandments...
Job , the 1st Book (1700's B.C.) , was written in practically the same Hebrew (character wise ) as today's , except they dropped the jots & tittles that I view in the Manuscripts here in my library .
Christianity is NOT a religion (man somehow working his or her way UP to a god - impossible to do , since He's in a different dominion / dimesion .) ,... it is to ONLY have a "personal relationship" with G_D (that's back & forth) , in Jesus' name (the credentials to G_D , we know & believe what we're talking about / seeking Salvation thru ) .
Christianity - (note : no " M " in the end , for a "system of Man"- the inventor / directed by Satan himself "who literally / defacto , walked the Earth since from the time of the Garden , all the way up till the 3 temptations" , getting man to go in any direction except the SINGULAR Truth (so they would fry) = ALL aKa religions) ,
To Cont. - is G_D coming DOWN to men & woman (only He can go inbetween the dominions ) that seek having this "personal relationship" with Him , just like Adam & Eve were having in the Garden , before they screwed up "literally" , ( go back & find out , who the 4 persons were in the Garden = 2 in flesh & 2 in a spirit body ) , which is as solid as...
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Job , the 1st Book (1700's B.C.) , was written in practically the same Hebrew (character wise ) as today's , except they dropped the jots & tittles that I view in the Manuscripts here in my library .
Christianity is NOT a religion (man somehow working his or her way UP to a god - impossible to do , since He's in a different dominion / dimesion .) ,... it is to ONLY have a "personal relationship" with G_D (that's back & forth) , in Jesus' name (the credentials to G_D , we know & believe what we're talking about / seeking Salvation thru ) .
Christianity - (note : no " M " in the end , for a "system of Man"- the inventor / directed by Satan himself "who literally / defacto , walked the Earth since from the time of the Garden , all the way up till the 3 temptations" , getting man to go in any direction except the SINGULAR Truth (so they would fry) = ALL aKa religions) ,
To Cont. - is G_D coming DOWN to men & woman (only He can go inbetween the dominions ) that seek having this "personal relationship" with Him , just like Adam & Eve were having in the Garden , before they screwed up "literally" , ( go back & find out , who the 4 persons were in the Garden = 2 in flesh & 2 in a spirit body ) , which is as solid as ours , just a dimensional issue in why He has to allow us to see a spirit body (like in 2nd Kings) . Please note , that there were NO RELIGIONS running around yet - Christianity , because of what it really is , started way before the New Testament (6015 yrs. ago) .
Word derivatives can teach so much .
This personal relationship , has eterNITY in the end , with G_D as the prefix =
to be with Christ , for an eternity / Christianity ,... & the only one (singular) ending in this way .
How do the Scientists who teach evilution (to decieve) , label everything , as to make them look as though they are the smartest , and we (Creationists) are the big dummies ?
Everything is in Latin , the language of the enemy (Rome) to Israel , still to this day .
No original Manuscripts were ever written in Latin . If the Latin happens to be correct , fine , but ya never utilize it as a study tool .
The original followers of Jesus The Christ (means the Annointed One = Messiah) , were Jewish (Israel ) . There is NOTHING New about the N.T. content wise , because everything was already written at least twice in the Old Testament - in Hebrew .
The 2 ways that the Scripture got to the British Isles (never taking a left turn and going south into enemy territory = the people that would later be known as Roman) "this is way before the N.T." = way before Aramaic was translated into Greek , then other people got involved leading to Latin & English , which were only 2 yrs. apart N.T. wise ..., are as follows :
Zedekiah had his sons killed in front of him , and then they plucked his eyes out & made a slave out of him . Jeremiah , took Zedekiahs' daughters under his wing & transported them to Egypt for safety (along with the Scripture / and the stone that Jacob used as his pillow in that dream he had ) .
You can visit a monument that has the daughters enscribed into the walls to this day , of where the daughters & Jeremiah visited , & one of the daughters married a wealthy Prince . The Prince then took the 3 ; the Scripture ; and the "stone of Scone" to the British Isles , stopping 1st in Spain for supplies , which you can visit a monument there as well signifying there brief stop Via. Europe .
The daughter that married the Prince was named Scota , and this is where Scotland gets its' name from . Burial mounds of materials only found in Israel & handwriting helps to track all the places they multiplied from .
Way later , when King James put a stop to killing anyone that would make copies of Scripture , for the common man to read ,... was coronated (the special chair) directly above where the "stone of scone" was placed in the floor . Since , it has been returned to Scotland = Jacobs' pillow .
The national anthem of Scotland mentions Jeremiahs' name in it , as Olantherlar (misspelled) , paying homage to his efforts in bring the Scripture to the British Isles .
And the Dutch , sing a song - Ruben , Ruben , Ruben ...
The other way the Scripture got to the British Isles , was when the 10 northern tribes of Israel were freed of Assyrian captivity , they went North over the Caucasis Mountians and settled Europe & later took ships too America & Canada - hence why we are called Caucasians .
Constantine , in a smart political move (325 A.D.) , mixed what the disciples had tried to teach 100's of yrs. earlier , in with all the Pagen beliefs that the Roman Army brought back after conquering other nations .
Christian persecution was reduced , because everyone liked the fact that their favorite Pagen Icon was added to their church = no more heart conviction .
So the church of Rome , ended up with a completely poluted priesthood , and has never recovered from this apostacy .
Israel' priesthood also became poluted by Kenites (= offspring of Cain - & Adam was NOT Cains' biological father) acting as Scribes in the Temple (1Chron.2:55) , to decieve Judah successfully - Abraham , Isaac & Jacob never practiced Judaism (there's that "M" in the end) , because it didn't exist , till the Kenites got so bad , it ended the Old Testament in 400 B.C. , but their priesthood at least has recovered thru the Messianic movement = they believe Jesus is The Messiah .
Satan only attacks Truth = why Rome & Israel were attacked , but since the letter was written to all of us , we can go foward in Truth .
We are to have Christ over our heads .
Who does the Pope have over his head ? The fish mouth from the half man / half sea god , that the Assyrians & Greeks use to worship ;
You can still see the Ethiopian sun-god icon around the center of their Cross to this day , with Jesus still dead up there ;
Churches are given a female gender in their title , because the True Church is awaiting as a virgin (pure truth) for the Bridegroom (Jesus' return ) , but in (a critique of all 7 types of churches - only 2 were found to be legit in Revelation ) - Rev.17 , Jesus took John into the future , and guess what Jesus called the future church that would sit on top of the city that was built on 7 mountians (= 7 hills in Greek = Rome) ?
I'll give a hint , "she" in her title , will do anything for money , and so that there is no misunderstanding of which church is being spoken of ,... she is drapted in scarlet velvet , & covered with gems , and has a golden cup up on her altar .
A saint is anyone who has been redeemed / saved from G_D' wrath on sinners ,... not the opinion of a sinful man of authority , given that authority from another man of authority ;
They don't crucify Popes (they just move priests that touch little boys to another town) , and Peter was dead a minimum of 85 years (the small moveable rock , NOT our rock - Jesus) , before they invented Popes ;
G_D knew what happened in the Garden (no apples / Cain & Abel were twins of different fathers) , and so that Jesus could remain the unblemmished Lamb (perfect = never sinned) , so He could be sacrificed for all our sins , He had to arrive Via. a virgin . Isaiah 7:14 (700-681 B.C.) = no human father in His DNA ,... nothing to do with Mary , who she her self needed too be plucked out of the fire , because she had both a normal sinful mother & father .
Jesus had The Holy Spirit (G_D) as His Father , = the emaculate conception . A conception is a person 1/32th of an inch long (Luke 1:41) , not a female of child bearing age ;
Mass is NOT the hour & a half one sits in a church , but the living organism in the Church / not a building either ;
Annointing can only be done with Olive Oil ,... no such thing as holy water .
Ever mix water in with Oil ? Separates ;
Roman holiday : 1 ) a public spectacle or controversy marked by barbarism , vindictiveness , or scandal . 2 ) pleasure or advantage gained from the discomfort , or suffering of others ;
Roman numerals : I = 1 , V = 5 (6) ; X = 10 , L = 50 (60) ; C = 100 , D = 500 (600) & M = 1,000 . All together = 666 , and after the anti-christ (who is Satan acting like Jesus) arrives ,... then the real Jesus returns for a thousand years = millinium ;
Ever notice the braclets or a key chain clip having the 10 horns around it from Revelation ? Completely un-beknownst of those wearing it ;
Ya know why Michael Angelo was asked to paint the ceiling at the Vatican ?
Because the marble that they lined the floor thru out the Vatican was removed and then installed from the Collosium , where they murdered Christians .
To this day , if you walk over to where the walls meet the floor (where tourists haven't rubbed the marble clean after all these years) , you can still see the blood stains from the persecuted Christians in the marble ;
This long list (& we could continue) is NEVER to insult or blame the pro-family / feed the poor type folks that sit in this false church , it is ONLY critical of the poluted priesthood , that makes sure there are no Bibles in the pews , so that the people are dependent on them . Actually , up until the late 1950's these poor people were forbidden to have their own Bible .
little mark
I never said picture/symbol type letters. Ancient Hebrew was a language that was entirely consonants...no vowels. You might want to set aside the propaganda you've been reading and check out some stuff written by people who actually know what they are talking about:
http://www.kolel.org/torahsto...
Have you ever been to the Sistine Chapel? I have. Twice in fact. Once in 1959, and again in 1989....sorry, no bloodstains on the floor. In fact the only so called reference is on a protestant website full of malarkey about the Catholic Church.
You say that your intention is to not insult the people of the Catholic Church... I have to tell you...you fail miserably at not insulting Catholics. The lies, falsehoods and bearing of false witness are not only an insult to us Catholics, but the Jesus Christ Himself.....
I will also tell you that those who have fed you the lies you continue to spew...are not Christians....the very false teachers and false prophets Christ warned about.
The Church DID NOT refuse to allow the common man to own a Bible...
I never said picture/symbol type letters. Ancient Hebrew was a language that was entirely consonants...no vowels. You might want to set aside the propaganda you've been reading and check out some stuff written by people who actually know what they are talking about:
http://www.kolel.org/torahsto...
Have you ever been to the Sistine Chapel? I have. Twice in fact. Once in 1959, and again in 1989....sorry, no bloodstains on the floor. In fact the only so called reference is on a protestant website full of malarkey about the Catholic Church.
You say that your intention is to not insult the people of the Catholic Church... I have to tell you...you fail miserably at not insulting Catholics. The lies, falsehoods and bearing of false witness are not only an insult to us Catholics, but the Jesus Christ Himself.....
I will also tell you that those who have fed you the lies you continue to spew...are not Christians....the very false teachers and false prophets Christ warned about.
The Church DID NOT refuse to allow the common man to own a Bible. That is a fallacy. At the time when Bibles were secured in Churches....they were hand written, or copied and illustrated by Monks, a task which which took many months and even years to complete. In those days, the common man was illiterate and a Bible was of no use to him or her. They were valuable, and thieves being what they are might steal one to sell. They were expensive, being copied on vellum which is not paper but the skin of a mammal prepared to accept writing and binding in a book.
My family owns a Bible that dates back to the turn of the century...and it records the births and deaths of family members...and it is a Catholic Bible, a Douay-Rheims. That nonsense about Catholics not being allowed to touch, read, handle or own Bibles is nothing less than a pack of lies.
Whenever we go to Mass, we use a book called a Missal...it contains the readings for that particular day or Sunday. It is entirely comprised of direct quotations from the Bible. The Catholic Church is entirely Biblical.
Your cheap attack on the Church was plain to see.... Frankly sir, had not Saint Jerome translated the Bible from the original languages...to Latin....there probably would not be Bibles easily accessible....due to the lack of persons able to actually translate the ancient languages.
The Vatican is not in Rome. It seems many people of your ilk have a serious problem with the realities of geography.... Rome is the city on seven hills... the Vatican City State is on the opposite side of the Tiber River...and outside of Rome...always was, and still is. Simple truth, simple fact.
The fish...has always been a symbol of Christianity. "Ethiopian sun god"??? Come now...even you aren't foolish enough to believe that...no wait...you typed it. WRONG!
Cain and Abel were "twins of different fathers"????? Uh-huh, yeah, right, and the Bible has it all wrong.... Sorry, no sale.
It seems like you all have a problem with reality, and are completely incapable of believing what you choose to believe "without insulting or denigrating" others of different churches. I'll bet Christ is really proud of you....
I could go on and on destroying the lies you've spewed, but you know what sport...its been done so many times now...I just don't want to bother... I don't care if you worship a toad, a clove of garlic, a ford hubcap, or Mr. Magoo.... And you'll never see or hear me trying to tear your beliefs down...unless you spew lies like you did here.
My suggestion to you....pray to whatever god you think you believe in...ask him or her or it to give you a brain to see truth and reality.
Buh-bye.....
You are the victim of historical revisionism to fit your agenda. Simply put.
I have been a Catholic for almost 62 years...and I have never "worshiped a saint, nor have I practiced idolatry"....... You've been lied to, and by false teachers.
But hey...you go on and believe what you wish.....its fine by me. But think about this: If one of the foundations of your beliefs is the attacking of other's beliefs....does that really justify you...or does it disgust Christ and God?
I guess when you die....you'll find out the truth,as will I.
If your "beliefs" are the correct beliefs and only path to God....then why do thousands of other erstwhile christian denomination exist that all make the same claim of being the only one to possess the truth?? Hmmmmm??
I know of 1 couple , that is in the same boat ,... perhaps then you can try & get others to join your church , getting them away the dambing influence of the other 99% .
But I do find it rather comical that you are so much like all the other "holier than thou robots".....throw lots of crap against the wall as if it was the gospel...but when challenged or questioned, ignore the challenge or question and sling more crap.
You know Mark....the paragraph above that starts with the word "But" is the exact and precise reason that anyone and everyone outside of your immediate sphere of belief or influence believes you are a complete bozo, whack job... And now you can play the martyr because Christ said you would be reviled because of Him.
I don't revile or dislike you...I just think you are arrogantly ignorant and one of those so called christians that does more damage to the faith than you will ever imagine..... I'll bet you even think you have the mind of God and that gives you the right to judge others, right??
Atheists love xtians like you....because you show the underbelly of what is supposed to be a religion/belief system based upon a man who gave His life for our salvation...because you constantly contend that you and your ilk are correct and all others are in error....
Do you refuse to answer my questions out of "cowardice" or because you know I will trap you, embarrass you and debunk you?
Are you that afraid of directly answering a question...or is it because you know that if you run up on someone who knows what they are talking about...you will end up the fool?
I don't imagine that you have yet figured out that your belief system is "of man" and by your stunted rationale is "false"? Thus...you are a deceiver by your own words.
If you are trying to bs someone...spare yourself the effort and walk away or speak straight up....I'm not a snot nosed kid, and I'm not uneducated, worldly or Biblically..... Get right, get tight, or go away....OK?