
It's the Guns - But We All Know, It's Not Really the Guns
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This article was written by Michael Moore. I would like both Liberals and Conservatives to answer this one. Do you agree or disagree with Michael Moore? State your reasons why you are firm on your position of this controversial subject.
Since Cain went nuts and whacked Abel, there have always been those humans who, for one reason or another, go temporarily or permanently insane and commit unspeakable acts of violence. There was the Roman Emperor Tiberius, who during the first century A.D. enjoyed throwing victims off a cliff on the Mediterranean island of Capri. Gilles de Rais, a French knight and ally of Joan of Arc during the middle ages, went cuckoo-for-Cocoa Puffs one day and ended up murdering hundreds of children. Just a few decades later Vlad the Impaler, the inspiration for Dracula, was killing people in Transylvania in numberless horrifying ways.
In modern times, nearly every nation has had a psychopath or two commit a mass murder, regardless of how strict their gun laws are – the crazed white supremacist in Norway one year ago Sunday, the schoolyard butcher in Dunblane, Scotland, the École Polytechnique killer in Montreal, the mass murderer in Erfurt, Germany … the list seems endless.
And now the Aurora shooter last Friday. There have always been insane people, and there always will be.
But here's the difference between the rest of the world and us: We have two Auroras that take placeevery single day of every single year! At least 24 Americans every day (8-9,000 a year) are killed by people with guns – and that doesn't count the ones accidentally killed by guns or who commit suicide with a gun. Count them and you can triple that number to over 25,000.
That means the United States is responsible for over 80 percent of all the gun deaths in the 23 richest countries combined. Considering that the people of those countries, as human beings, are no better or worse than any of us, well, then, why us?
Both conservatives and liberals in America operate with firmly held beliefs as to "the why" of this problem. And the reason neither can find their way out of the box toward a real solution is because, in fact, they're both half right.
The right believes that the Founding Fathers, through some sort of divine decree, have guaranteed them the absolute right to own as many guns as they desire. And they will ceaselessly remind you that a gun cannot fire itself – that "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
Of course, they know they're being intellectually dishonest (if I can use that word) when they say that about the Second Amendment because they know the men who wrote the constitution just wanted to make sure a militia could be quickly called up from amongst the farmers and merchants should the Brits decide to return and wreak some havoc.
But they are half right when they say "Guns don't kill people." I would just alter that slogan slightly to speak the real truth: "Guns don't kill people, Americans kill people."
Because we're the only ones in the first world who do this en masse. And you'll hear all stripes of Americans come up with a host of reasons so that they don't have to deal with what's really behind all this murder and mayhem.
They'll say it's the violent movies and video games that are responsible. Last time I checked, the movies and video games in Japan are more violent than ours – and yet usually fewer than 20people a year are killed there with guns – and in 2006 the number was two!
Others will say it's the number of broken homes that lead to all this killing. I hate to break this to you, but there are almost as many single-parent homes in the U.K. as there are here – and yet, in Great Britain, there are usually fewer than 40 gun murders a year.
People like me will say this is all the result of the U.S. having a history and a culture of men with guns, "cowboys and Indians," "shoot first and ask questions later." And while it is true that the mass genocide of the Native Americans set a pretty ugly model to found a country on, I think it's safe to say we're not the only ones with a violent past or a penchant for genocide. Hello, Germany! That's right I'm talking about you and your history, from the Huns to the Nazis, just loving a good slaughter (as did the Japanese, and the British who ruled the world for hundreds of years – and they didn't achieve that through planting daisies). And yet in Germany, a nation of 80 million people, there are only around 200 gun murders a year.
So those countries (and many others) are just like us – except for the fact that more people here believe in God and go to church than any other Western nation.
My liberal compatriots will tell you if we just had less guns, there would be less gun deaths. And, mathematically, that would be true. If you have less arsenic in the water supply, it will kill less people. Less of anything bad – calories, smoking, reality TV – will kill far fewer people. And if we had strong gun laws that prohibited automatic and semi-automatic weapons and banned the sale of large magazines that can hold a gazillion bullets, well, then shooters like the man in Aurora would not be able to shoot so many people in just a few minutes.
But this, too, has a problem. There are plenty of guns in Canada (mostly hunting rifles) – and yet the annual gun murder count in Canada is around 200 deaths. In fact, because of its proximity, Canada's culture is very similar to ours – the kids play the same violent video games, watch the same movies and TV shows, and yet they don't grow up wanting to kill each other. Switzerland has the third-highest number of guns per capita on earth, but still a low murder rate.
So – why us?
I posed this question a decade ago in my film Bowling for Columbine, and this week, I have had little to say because I feel I said what I had to say 10 years ago – and it doesn't seem to have done a whole lot of good other than to now look like it was actually a crystal ball posing as a movie.
This is what I said then, and it is what I will say again today:
1. We Americans are incredibly good killers. We believe in killing as a way of accomplishing our goals. Three-quarters of our states execute criminals, even though the states with the lower murder rates are generally the states with no death penalty.
Our killing is not just historical (the slaughter of Indians and slaves and each other in a "civil" war). It is our current way of resolving whatever it is we're afraid of. It's invasion as foreign policy. Sure there's Iraq and Afghanistan – but we've been invaders since we "conquered the wild west" and now we're hooked so bad we don't even know where to invade (bin Laden wasn't hiding in Afghanistan, he was in Pakistan) or what to invade for (Saddam had zero weapons of mass destruction and nothing to do with 9/11). We send our lower classes off to do the killing, and the rest of us who don't have a loved one over there don't spend a single minute of any given day thinking about the carnage. And now we send in remote pilotless planes to kill, planes that are being controlled by faceless men in a lush, air conditioned studio in suburban Las Vegas. It is madness.
2. We are an easily frightened people and it is easy to manipulate us with fear. What are we so afraid of that we need to have 300 million guns in our homes? Who do we think is going to hurt us? Why are most of these guns in white suburban and rural homes? Maybe we should fix our race problem and our poverty problem (again, number one in the industrialized world) and then maybe there would be fewer frustrated, frightened, angry people reaching for the gun in the drawer. Maybe we would take better care of each other (here's a good example of what I mean).
Those are my thoughts about Aurora and the violent country I am a citizen of. Like I said, I spelled it all out here if you'd like to watch it or share it for free with others. All we're lacking here, my friends, is the courage and the resolve. I'm in if you are.
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Sgt Major B 2012/07/25 17:28:35I disagree with Michael Moore!























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Germans have crime....but the fact is, their population is different, and they are a somewhat socialized country...they don't have the poverty and other problems we have.
Under German law...if you are a foreigner and caught with drugs....after your sentence, you are deported and served notice that you can never return. This even applies to US sevicemembers who got busted for drugs... I served as armed escort for more than one bonehead who got caught and deported...handed them over to the MP's at Rhein-Main.
To really understand t...
Germans have crime....but the fact is, their population is different, and they are a somewhat socialized country...they don't have the poverty and other problems we have.
Under German law...if you are a foreigner and caught with drugs....after your sentence, you are deported and served notice that you can never return. This even applies to US sevicemembers who got busted for drugs... I served as armed escort for more than one bonehead who got caught and deported...handed them over to the MP's at Rhein-Main.
To really understand the reason why most European countries have lower murder rates, you would have to understand their cultures as well as their ethos....they are significantly different than ours.....
Frankly...he's bending facts to meet his agenda...and he has completely ignored the more salient facts:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/...
"MSNBC Shocker: Firearms Deaths Fall As Gun Restrictions Ease
By Noel Sheppard | March 29, 2010 | 11:02
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What's the likelihood of an EXTREMELY liberal media outlet publishing an article about firearm related homicides declining while permits to carry concealed weapons increase?
About as likely as Keith Olbermann saying something nice about Sarah Palin, right?
Well, on Wednesday, MSNBC.com actually published a piece with the following shocking headline:
Shhh. Wait. It got better (h/t CNSNews via Weasel Zippers):
Americans overall are far less likely to be killed with a firearm than they were when it was much more difficult to obtain a concealed-weapons permit, according to statistics collected by the federal Centers for Disease Control. But researchers have not been able to establish a cause-and-effect relationship.
In the 1980s and ’90s, as the concealed-carry movement gained steam, Americans were killed by others with guns at the rate of about 5.66 per 100,000 population. In this decade, the rate has fallen to just over 4.07 per 100,000, a 28 percent drop. The decline follows a fivefold increase in the number of “shall-issue” and unrestricted concealed-carry states from 1986 to 2006.
The highest gun homicide rate is in Washington, D.C., which has had the nation’s strictest gun-control laws for years and bans concealed carry: 20.50 deaths per 100,000 population, five times the general rate. The lowest rate, 1.12, is in Utah, which has such a liberal concealed weapons policy that most American adults can get a permit to carry a gun in Utah without even visiting the state.
The decline in gun homicides also comes as U.S. firearm sales are skyrocketing, according to federal background checks that are required for most gun sales. After holding stable at 8.5 to 9 million checks from 1999 to 2005, the FBI reported a surge to 10 million in 2006, 11 million in 2007, nearly 13 million in 2008 and more than 14 million last year, a 55 percent increase in just four years.
It must be noted that all of these vital statistics appeared on the third and final page of this article where likely few readers would see them.
Regardless, the data were supported by charts specifically showing how gun-related deaths have declined as the number of states opting for "shall issue" permits increased:
Nutcases get their panties in a bunch because of the appearance of the rifle..
Plain and simple
Lots of people by just looking at the rifle he used,assume it's automatic.
That's a good point you made too.
His gun jammed and he switched to another weapon.
Same as if that rifle was banned,he would of just switched to another weapon.
Monsters don't care about what laws are made for law abiding citizens.
You can search on youtube,there are plenty of videos where criminals were stopped in their tracks,from committing a crime by legal gun carrying citizens.
For some reason media doesn't like to tell those stories.
If there was 2,3,4 legal gun carrying citizens in that theater,it wouldn't of turned out so bad.
There were heroes in that building,that took bullets their self for someone they loved.
The only problem was,they were unarmed heroes...
And thanks for your explanation
So, your example doesn't always hold true.
Had he been carrying an M-16, which is a highly restricted weapon(if you were able to find one for sale, and you could get the license to buy it approved by the BATF after being wrung out in a serious background check) you would end up paying as much as $18,000 for the weapon.
Now, with an M-16, the cyclic rate, or rate of fire is from 650 to 950 rounds per minute. A magazine with 100 rounds would be fired in less than 10 seconds, and when fired on full auto...very difficult to aim... The M-16 was dubbed a "spray and pray" rifle when they were issued to us in Vietnam. Yes, I have had to carry one of those POS's... A standard magazine of 20 rounds is fired off in a couple of seconds....and frankly I have serious doubts that you could fire a full one hundred round magazine at once. Its more likely that the rifle would jam and stop firing...the barrel was not intended for that kind of use.
Since his AR-15, aka "Matty Mattel" jammed...you can see what I mean.
In the US, any weapon even capable of firing a "3 shot burst" with one...
Had he been carrying an M-16, which is a highly restricted weapon(if you were able to find one for sale, and you could get the license to buy it approved by the BATF after being wrung out in a serious background check) you would end up paying as much as $18,000 for the weapon.
Now, with an M-16, the cyclic rate, or rate of fire is from 650 to 950 rounds per minute. A magazine with 100 rounds would be fired in less than 10 seconds, and when fired on full auto...very difficult to aim... The M-16 was dubbed a "spray and pray" rifle when they were issued to us in Vietnam. Yes, I have had to carry one of those POS's... A standard magazine of 20 rounds is fired off in a couple of seconds....and frankly I have serious doubts that you could fire a full one hundred round magazine at once. Its more likely that the rifle would jam and stop firing...the barrel was not intended for that kind of use.
Since his AR-15, aka "Matty Mattel" jammed...you can see what I mean.
In the US, any weapon even capable of firing a "3 shot burst" with one pull of the trigger is considered an "automatic" and is not easily obtained, period.
What I can't help but wonder about....is how and why the Fire Door of the theater was opened, propped open...without an alarm going off!!
http://now.msn.com/here-comes...
http://thecelebritycafe.com/f...
"First, Karpel is going after the Century 16 Theater, noting that it was responsible for having an alarm go off when the emergency door is opened. It has been reported that Holmes entered the theater with a ticket to prop the emergency door open and no alarm went off."
And its probably going to bankrupt the theater chain as a common error. Would I fault the theater chain for not having their fire doors alarmed? Yes, because it is a standard practice in commercial venues.
The best chance for a successful suit will be against his doctors, but even they are constrained in what they can divulge prior to an incident.
I'm 62, and I grew up blowing stuff....with real M-80's that could take most of your hand off... In fact as a kid...living in Germany...my backyard was the Army training area for the Infantry and Armor as well as Artillery stationed at Bamberg....and we used to find lots of "simulators"....the ones for hand grenades, artillery rounds...tank rounds.... Yee-HAAA!
We blew up lots of stuff....in fact we did so much stupid stuff...I'm really surprised we survived it... Digging around in the area we sometimes even found live ammo from WWII....scared the crap out of our parents and they had to call EOD out when we found some mortar rounds....
We used hairspray and bugspray for flame throwers too!! I'm surprised we didn't incinerate ourselves!!
Yep...the 99.999% percent of us turned out fine! I even ran with sharp object in my hands....never wore knee pads or rubber helmet when riding a scooter or bike....know really well what "road rash" is....and pain was a real teaching tool!! If it hurts, it is probably smart not to repeat the action or stupid stunt!! :->
My dad was an Army Officer....I went to 14 different schools before I graduated High School....and almost always I was the smallest guy in my class...so to keep the majority of kids off my back... I would single out the largest kid in the class and jump on him at recess!! Usually got my butt beat...but it convinced every other kid that i was either nuts or brave enough to stand my ground....
Dodge ball, sand lot football...tackle that is without helmets or shoulder pads. Baseball...no batting helmets...and most all of the games were played with "combat rules"....just about anything worked!
Kids nowadays have no idea how much fun they are missing!!
Nobody - absolutely nobody - is trying to ban all guns Those of us who favor more gun control are advocating for more common sense regulations. It is simply too damn easy for Americans to stockpile a cashe of weaponry (like the Aurora, CO nutball did). I don't want to take guns from those who wish to protect their home, go hunting, or otherwise use their guns responsibly. I don't think anybody does. But I think it's significant that the Aurora, Co murderer amassed his arsenal of guns and ammo legally - and without notice.
http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volo...
Actually the Brady group and some others are trying to get bans on all guns.