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Is the World Economy Heading Into a 'Perfect Storm'?

Heisenberg 2012/07/09 21:00:00
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“(The) 2013 perfect storm scenario I wrote on months ago is unfolding,” Roubini said on Twitter on Monday.

CNBC.COM reports:
"Dr. Doom" Nouriel Roubini says the "perfect storm" scenario he forecast for the global economy earlier this year is unfolding right now as growth slows in the U.S., Europe as well as China.
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  • George Romney 2012/07/09 23:57:16
    No, the world economy is not on the verge of collapse.
    George Romney
    +22
    The funny thing about economics is that it's all made up. Think about it. Society progressed from cave men, to stone masons to urban dwellers that could make rockets to put men on the moon. All because we said a shiny rock and then a piece of paper had value. It's a funny thing economics. Funnier still is that what will send the world off a cliff and help nobody will be stock markets and treasury bonds crashing, both of which signify nothing material but are purely speculative.

    Imagine an alien civilization looking at us from above. Seeing that we are ruining ourselves by placing blind trust in a system that is entirely smoke and mirrors designed to hand out incentives.

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  • dimwit pj 2012/07/13 22:03:42
    dimwit
    Did you mean to use "BJ" as your handle??
  • 001 2012/07/10 20:52:23
    Yes, the world economy is on the verge of collapse.
    001
    +2
    I hope so! It's time for something new!

    resourced based economy
  • Tee Quake 001 2012/07/10 21:58:02
    Tee Quake
    +1
    Something new? How many choices are there? Let's be clear, economic collapse is synonymous with worldwide genocide and a collapse of freedom I assume you enjoy; and you HOPE IT HAPPENS? Please explain your thinking; I'm fascinated.
  • 001 Tee Quake 2012/07/11 13:11:26
    001
    Is my picture not showing maybe? A resource-based economy, without money and greed.
  • May 2012/07/10 20:47:06
    No, the world economy is not on the verge of collapse.
    May
    +1
    I said no because I think some countries may be fine. Also, even though so many things point to it and we are prepared as best one can be for it, I am so tired of all the doom and gloom. It reminds you of the computer glitch that was supposed to happen in 2000. People are always waiting for the "rapture." We obsess with things like this, and yes, at times, they do happen, but focusing on them creates fear instead of solutions so I want to take an optimistic view and hope we will work on getting it resolved before it can actually happen. I still believe in miracles.
  • Tee Quake May 2012/07/10 21:59:45
    Tee Quake
    I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
  • Jacqui 2012/07/10 20:31:27
    Yes, the world economy is on the verge of collapse.
    Jacqui
    +2
    It is because the governments let the corporations take over. Those greedy people will do anything for more money, including letting their fellow man starve.
    No, I don't think all wealthy people are bad, but it seems the bad one are in charge now.
  • Tee Quake Jacqui 2012/07/10 22:01:26
    Tee Quake
    +1
    Yes, the corporate takeover is at the root of all evil and humans are at the root of all corporations.
  • Jacqui Tee Quake 2012/07/22 22:49:43
    Jacqui
    Yes, what a sad truth.
  • Alencon 2012/07/10 20:11:15 (edited)
    No, the world economy is not on the verge of collapse.
    Alencon
    +1
    No the scenario is not unfolding. The entire doom is predicated upon a war with Iran that causes oil prices to double virtually overnight. It's not going to happen. A much greater threat to the stability of the world economy would be the election of a Republican that actually believes the economic idiocy being touted by a growing segment of the Republican Party. Luckily Mitt Romney is not that dumb.
  • melissa 2012/07/10 20:05:42
    No, the world economy is not on the verge of collapse.
    melissa
    I only said no because I'm not really sure. The US government has probably always spent more than it could afford. And it's probably always over taxed the working citizens to 1, pay for the government to function, and 2 pay for the people who are on welfare. So, here's what I say, maybe the economy will collapse, maybe it won't. But if does, those who have worked hard for their living will be more motivated to strive to survive. Those on welfare, that just expect everything to be handed to them, straight from the hands of hard working people, will die off. It's survival of the fittest. Barbaric? Maybe. True? I think so. Despite the "tough" economy where apparently its SO hard to get a job, the company I work for keeps giving raises and promotions and keeps hiring people!! I'm rambling, and probably not even stayin on the topic of this thread but, I can argue both ways whether the economy will collapse or not, there's no way to tell, just prepare for the worst, because eventually "the worst" will happen. Just be like those people on doomsday preppers.
  • LisaSmith 2012/07/10 19:55:13
    Yes, the world economy is on the verge of collapse.
    LisaSmith
    +2
    With that doofus in office we are getting closer everyday.
    Obama's Stimulus Tax Dollars Used to Create Jobs Overseas


    by John Nolte 10 Jul 2012, 8:00 AM PDT
    A few weeks ago, the Washington Post and the Obama campaign worked together to attack Governor Mitt Romney with proven lies about outsourcing. Though this attack has been exposed as a lie, that didn't stop Barack Obama from continuing the attack, nor has it stopped his Media Palace Guards from attempting to drag Romney into the trap of responding to these lies.

    Rather than make Obama pay a price for lying -- which the media would do to a Republican -- the media chose instead to try to pressure Romney into the no-win debate of attempting to prove a negative, which would've only hurt him more than the lies themselves. Polls now prove Romney made the correct decision.

    Another superb decision the Romney campaign made was to take their time, get some facts together, and fight back against Obama's and the Washington Post's lies on offense.

    It seems as though our current President, who is now posing as Mr. In-Sourcer-in-Chief, not only squandered nearly a trillion of our dollars on a failed stimulus, but also used our money to create jobs in foreign countries such as France, Italy, Russia, Mexico, and so on and on and on.

    ...





















    With that doofus in office we are getting closer everyday.
    Obama's Stimulus Tax Dollars Used to Create Jobs Overseas


    by John Nolte 10 Jul 2012, 8:00 AM PDT
    A few weeks ago, the Washington Post and the Obama campaign worked together to attack Governor Mitt Romney with proven lies about outsourcing. Though this attack has been exposed as a lie, that didn't stop Barack Obama from continuing the attack, nor has it stopped his Media Palace Guards from attempting to drag Romney into the trap of responding to these lies.

    Rather than make Obama pay a price for lying -- which the media would do to a Republican -- the media chose instead to try to pressure Romney into the no-win debate of attempting to prove a negative, which would've only hurt him more than the lies themselves. Polls now prove Romney made the correct decision.

    Another superb decision the Romney campaign made was to take their time, get some facts together, and fight back against Obama's and the Washington Post's lies on offense.

    It seems as though our current President, who is now posing as Mr. In-Sourcer-in-Chief, not only squandered nearly a trillion of our dollars on a failed stimulus, but also used our money to create jobs in foreign countries such as France, Italy, Russia, Mexico, and so on and on and on.

    RNC Chair Reince Priebus:

    What do Finnish cars, Mexican solar panels, and Danish windmills have in common? They were all funded by your tax dollars.

    Thanks to President Obama, taxpayer money, mostly in the form of stimulus funds, ended up in the hands of companies overseas. Instead of creating jobs in America, the stimulus and other Obama policies created jobs or sent money to Finland, New Zealand, Indonesia, India, Mexico, Germany, Australia, Switzerland, China, Denmark, South Korea, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Vietnam, Italy, Russia, Luxembourg, El Salvador, Great Britain, Spain, Japan, and France.

    How did this happen? Consider the example of Fisker Automotive. The company received $500 million in loan guarantees from the U.S. government to produce electric cars. Then they took their money and decided to produce their $100,000 electric sports cars in Finland.

    President Obama's policies may be spurring job creation in Scandinavia. But here at home, twenty-three million Americans are struggling for work. Millions of middle class families can barely make ends meet.

    The billions of dollars that went overseas largely had to be borrowed. In other words, President Obama borrowed money from countries like China to send money to... countries like China. It's that kind of reckless spending that led President Obama to rack up $5.6 trillion in debt over the last three and a half years, bringing our total national debt to $15.8 trillion.

    Priebus will officially unveil all of this later today in the swing state of Iowa, and a website called "Obamanomics Outsourced" goes into great detail showing how your tax dollars and mine benefitted and created jobs in over a dozen countries not named America.

    What we all know, of course, is that the very same media currently obsessed with outsourcing will never give the damning fact that Obama used our tax dollars to create jobs overseas the attention it deserves for one simple reason: it is a damning fact.

    Not only does it prove the hypocrisy of President In-Sourcer, it goes straight to the heart of his failed stimulus and overall economy.

    Good for the Romney campaign, though. They refused to get dragged into a media-created lie and a debate they couldn’t win -- refused to be put on defense -- and now have facts to fight the fire of the media's and Obama's lies.

    Because the Romney case is so strong in their counter-attack, my guess is that both Obama and his Media Palace Guards will suddenly find outsourcing a less interesting topic.

    Which is still a win for our side.
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  • Brandon... LisaSmith 2012/07/10 21:10:10 (edited)
    Brandon Macc
    I didn't even bother to read all this your an idiot ma'am, what does Obama, US Politics Have to do with any other countries in the world?? You, and people like you are the main reason this country is so F'd up seriously it said WORLD ECONOMY and the last time I checked Europe was doing better then we are!
  • Tee Quake Brandon... 2012/07/10 22:05:10
    Tee Quake
    +1
    Just as the uneducated and misinformed are the crux of Obama's base.
  • LisaSmith Brandon... 2012/07/10 23:39:32
    LisaSmith
    +1
    Maybe you should try reading some of the crap your king is doing and then you might decide you really don't want him for king. Nah never mind that is asking too much from an obama supporter.
  • LisaSmith Brandon... 2012/07/10 23:41:25 (edited)
    LisaSmith
    +1
    Are we not part of the world?
  • Brandon... LisaSmith 2012/07/20 18:29:06
    Brandon Macc
    Who said I was a obama supporter?? Idiot and yes we are part of the world but we don't own it and we arnt the strongest either Soo stfu
  • Tee Quake LisaSmith 2012/07/10 22:03:22
    Tee Quake
    +1
    The educated and informed are Obama's worst nightmare! Great piece!!!
  • Gahnzo 2012/07/10 19:55:01
    No, the world economy is not on the verge of collapse.
    Gahnzo
    +1
    The only person who will profit from this is George Soros.. and you can bet your last paycheck that he's going to profit B I G......
  • Tee Quake Gahnzo 2012/07/10 22:07:08
    Tee Quake
    +2
    I agree Soros is banking on a big big BIG payday, but he's not the only one. There are people like Soros situated all over the world who are working for the same purpose.
  • Gahnzo Tee Quake 2012/07/10 22:38:41
    Gahnzo
    +1
    Yup there will be many losers and some winners, but it will be the Soros types that will profit disgustingly well...
  • Matt Gray 2012/07/10 19:48:32
    Yes, the world economy is on the verge of collapse.
    Matt Gray
    +6
    Verge? It's collapsed already. It can only get worse.
  • Tee Quake Matt Gray 2012/07/10 22:07:31
    Tee Quake
    +1
    Touche'.
  • Pm 2012/07/10 19:43:59 (edited)
    No, the world economy is not on the verge of collapse.
    Pm
    The name says it all. Doom. Just another scare tactic fro ma doomsayer.
    "In May, Roubini predicted four elements – stalling growth in the U.S., debt troubles in Europe, a slowdown in emerging markets, particularly China, and military conflict in Iran - would come together to create a storm for the global economy in 2013"
    ^Anybody interested in economics would made this very prediction.
  • Insanebane 2012/07/10 19:34:56
    No, the world economy is not on the verge of collapse.
    Insanebane
    We'll survive "the" apocalypse for the um-teen hundredth time.
  • cc 2012/07/10 19:13:52
    Yes, the world economy is on the verge of collapse.
    cc
    +2
    What do you think all the secret meetings are all about? Do you think our presidents go to Camp David and play golf for fun? The uber wealthy got their training studying the Great Depression. Now they are going to own us all. When there is a crash, people get rich. Those who know will be ready, the rest of us are screwed.
    It will take a Revolution or God himself to get us back to liberty and FREEDOM!!
  • Bill 2012/07/10 19:08:51
    Yes, the world economy is on the verge of collapse.
    Bill
    +2
    I say YES, and I'm refering to the whole of Europe and the United States, the civilized part of the World. I'm sure that Saudi Arabia and some of the mid-eastern Countries are in fairly good economic condition, due to the amount of oil that the United States purchases from them. China's economy is slipping, and so is Japan's. I'm not sure about Russia.
    I do know that the situation in the United States is only going to get worse, when all of our massive deficit, and massive National debt, and massive spending, finally hits the fan, we are in deep trouble, and we citizens are the ones that are going to be suffering. We've got a very deep hole to dig out of.
  • overzero 2012/07/10 19:01:12
    No, the world economy is not on the verge of collapse.
    overzero
    When you say "forecast", do you mean "predicted" or "engineered"? People with obscene amounts of money and power will go to obscene lengths to protect it - they always keep their arse covered. Has anybody ever seen crap fall upwards? Either way, I think it's a massive wake up call for capitalism and anyone who naively believes in it. The "more wants more"philosophy isn't invincible - something has to give.
  • cc overzero 2012/07/10 19:16:55
    cc
    This is a wake up call for us to keep the government out of our business. The Great Depression lasted 10 years because the government put their dirty fingers into it. The 1919-1920 depression was just that, because the government did nothing....then it was over. Our govermnent is the problem, not capitalism.
  • Alencon cc 2012/07/10 20:15:19
    Alencon
    You're kidding right? It was only when the government stopped putting their fingers in that the economy slipped back into depression. Ultimately it was the government spending in WW II that ended the Great Depression. Learn some reality will you.
  • Disside... cc 2012/07/10 21:02:25
    DissidentRage
    Supply-side economics are the problem.
  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/07/10 19:00:20
    Yes, the world economy is on the verge of collapse.
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +2
    Government are giving away far to much to maintain a sound fiscal policies. They are taking from the middle and upper class and giving to the lower class and have far too generous benefits to government employees.
  • overzero ☆stillt... 2012/07/10 19:04:39
    overzero
    Awe, get off your horse and drink your milk...
  • ☆stillt... overzero 2012/07/10 19:31:07
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    I did not get on it. Just stating the facts. I did not begin to go through all the issues of what our government and other governments do wrong.
  • Alencon ☆stillt... 2012/07/10 20:18:54
    Alencon
    Actually the problem is the dramatic unbalanced growth of upper class income over middle and lower class income. Don't take my word for it, check the historical income tables available at the Congressional Budget Office and the issue becomes obvious. This fiction that the middle class is subsidizing the poor is just that, a fiction.
  • ☆stillt... Alencon 2012/07/10 21:09:54 (edited)
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    I am well aware of the imbalance in pay.. There is no doubt in my mind that they are taking way to much money from the middle class and over paying many of the executive. This has nothing to do with how the Government has been spending and throwing away our money. Especially their dealing with the banksters. Handing over billions to them with out taking them over and sending in the auditor and punishing those who shafted the American tax payers. While this was going on The FED gave them 7.7 trillion dollars and at the same time they lined their pockets with our tax dollars. The government needs to tighten its belt and stop the give away and protect our border and make E-verify the law and offer jobs to those on welfare and if they do not take them remove them from welfare roll. They also need to get rid of all the hidden taxes fix the tax codes and make the taxes more level for all. If you feel that some CEO is getting over paid then do not buy there product and write them and tell them why. Keep in mind that when you raise taxes on Corporation they are only going to pass that cost on to the consumer. When they are not competitive you are going to buy that foreign product and eliminate your job. If people shopped and bought American made products then the corporation could afford to make products with all the regulation that the EPA keeps puttng on them.
  • Alencon ☆stillt... 2012/07/13 18:07:51
    Alencon
    No offense, but you just "moved the goal posts." Your original post focused on "the middle and upper class" supporting the "lower class" and "generous benefits to government employees" and now you're talking about funneling dollars from the middle class to CEOs and the banks. Two VERY different issues. I might also point out that ridiculous CEO salaries and golden parchutes are only part of the problem.

    The primary issue is the current tax structure which makes unbridled greed worth the effort. Consider that Between 1950 and 1980, the real income (in other words adjusted for inflation) that marked the top of the lowest income quintile rose by 99.5%, the 2nd quintile by 95.4%, the 3rd quintile by 107.9% and the 4th quintile by 109.9%. At the tippy top of the income scale, the minimum income to be in the top 5% rose by 103.4%.

    In other words, everybody was doing pretty darn good.

    Now let’s look at 1980 to 2008. The real income that marked the top of the lowest income quintile rose by 7.4% (no, that’s not a typo, I really meant 7.4%), the 2nd quintile by 13.2%, the 3rd quintile by 21.6% and the 4th quintile by 30.8%. At the tippy top of the income scale, the minimum income to be in the top 5% rose by 46.2%.

    The numbers are so anemic because the 2000s have been a complete ...



    No offense, but you just "moved the goal posts." Your original post focused on "the middle and upper class" supporting the "lower class" and "generous benefits to government employees" and now you're talking about funneling dollars from the middle class to CEOs and the banks. Two VERY different issues. I might also point out that ridiculous CEO salaries and golden parchutes are only part of the problem.

    The primary issue is the current tax structure which makes unbridled greed worth the effort. Consider that Between 1950 and 1980, the real income (in other words adjusted for inflation) that marked the top of the lowest income quintile rose by 99.5%, the 2nd quintile by 95.4%, the 3rd quintile by 107.9% and the 4th quintile by 109.9%. At the tippy top of the income scale, the minimum income to be in the top 5% rose by 103.4%.

    In other words, everybody was doing pretty darn good.

    Now let’s look at 1980 to 2008. The real income that marked the top of the lowest income quintile rose by 7.4% (no, that’s not a typo, I really meant 7.4%), the 2nd quintile by 13.2%, the 3rd quintile by 21.6% and the 4th quintile by 30.8%. At the tippy top of the income scale, the minimum income to be in the top 5% rose by 46.2%.

    The numbers are so anemic because the 2000s have been a complete dud. Real income actually went down for all of the groups. For the lowest income quintile income went down by 7.4% (no, that’s not a typo, I really meant 7.4% again), the 2nd quintile by 3.4%, the 3rd quintile by 2.2% and the 4th quintile by 0.9%. Even the tippy top of the income scale felt the blahs slightly, the minimum income to be in the top 5% went down by 0.1%. Notice however that the higher up you are, the less the negative impact.

    Do you see the problem here?

    A small percentage of the population cannot continue to absorb an overwhelming share of the wealth being produced without eventually leading to a serious problem. Think French Revolution. We're far from that at the moment, but not as far as we used to be and that's the real issue.
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  • ☆stillt... Alencon 2012/07/13 19:05:58
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    I was trying to address your question and give you my thoughts. It is my belief that a solution to the problem is changing the tax codes and taking away the right-off then to look at the tax structure. One of the key in getting more money to the lower income brackets is to get rid of all the hidden taxes, I am not sure what the tax structure should be. I have given it much thought but windup over thinking it. I am sure about the removal of the hidden taxes.
    Another tax that should go is property tax. The reason that I say this is for as long as you have a property tax you never really own you home. You are merely rent from the state. Thank You for your thoughts.
  • Tim Upham 2012/07/10 18:57:32
    Yes, the world economy is on the verge of collapse.
    Tim Upham
    +1
    Nouriel Roubini is not a crackerjack on economics. He predicted how the mortgage crisis in the United States was going to put us in perpetual economic malaise, and we are here. Our recovery has been so anemic, that anything can push us back into recession again, such as the European debt crisis and repressed growth in China.
  • susan 2012/07/10 18:50:04
    Yes, the world economy is on the verge of collapse.
    susan
    +2
    If Obama is elected in the US, that perfect storm will envelop much of the world. Most likely China will come out pretty well economically.

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