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Che Guevara - Hero 2012/05/29 15:13:58Organized religion is just a business of snake oil salesmen and business is b...+9Organized Religion is a fraud. Just look at the people on SH who call themselves "Christian". You probably won't find a more hateful and ignorant group of people anywhere on the internet.






















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And it's not just power they don't have a better grasp of, it's all the different forms love and reciprocity.
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As for religion...
Orthodoxy. Orthodoxy is about correct beliefs, basically. In our part of the world, organized religion is almost all monotheistic and so it tells you what you must believe, or else. Luckily we don't have to belong to any particular religion or its denominations in my country (the U.S.), but you if you don'...
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As for religion...
Orthodoxy. Orthodoxy is about correct beliefs, basically. In our part of the world, organized religion is almost all monotheistic and so it tells you what you must believe, or else. Luckily we don't have to belong to any particular religion or its denominations in my country (the U.S.), but you if you don't believe whatever, you still can get excommunicated and even ostracized by friends and family who are still in the religion. Not that any religion can't be guilty of it, they can be, but monotheism tends to get into identity clash after identity clash, and if it isn't engaging in actual religious wars, then enough people in monotheism are always engaged in "culture" wars...which are really religious wars too.
Many dogmatic religions originally had more emphasis on correct behaviors but lost a lot of that focus over time. Some within various monotheisms and their denominations are calling to bring a greater emphasis on correct behaviors or orthopraxic elements (e.g. "Love thy neighbor," a form of reciprocal ethics).
Orthopraxy. Orthopraxy is about correct practices. Orthopraxic religions are focused on correct practices/behaviors, including but not limited to hospitality, equality, ritual, reciprocal ethics, logic, and much more. Some orthopraxies may have some dogma (what you have to believe or else). Other orthopraxies (ADF Druidry, for example) may only have tenets (what is held to be true but may subject to tweaking and updating because other arts and disciplines, like the sciences, inform orthopraxic religions).
When I say that something does not equal (≠) the other it doesn't mean that things can't coexist but that one doesn't, as an axiom, equal or cause the other. When many answer polls like this one, it's obvious that perhaps most are erroneously **equating** religion with religionism (the idea that religion is sufficient as major lens with with to view and interpret all) or that they're **equating** dogma with religion.
Religion ≠ Religionism
Religion ≠ Dogma
Now, about false dilemmas. When people equate like Religion = Dogma, they often fall into certain false dilemma traps. A false dilemma is when you take all of reality, all possible options, and often people, and divide them into two supposedly opposite choices when there are many choices and these choices often are not opposites. Here are two common false dilemmas raging today. I'll start with the oldest first.
The Forces of Good™ vs. The Forces of Evil™ (Monotheism)
Rationalism vs. Religion (The Rationalists new and improved false dilemma, heh)
So it's not just religious folk that do the divisive 'us vs. them' crap by blaming religion, the "wrong" religion or lack of religion for all that's wrong with the world. The new dualism (Rationalism vs. Religion) is not much of an improvement and it's still a false dilemma...which is a logic error and that makes it...irrational.
Most of the choices in this poll here divisively fall in line with one or more of the above false dilemmas. Ugh. We have other choices. These other choices of religion or spirituality are not all opposites (like good and evil), and comparing them is often like comparing apples to oranges. Below is a partial list but it covers a lot of territory, so here it goes.
Atheism – there are no Gods
Agnosticism -- there may be Gods but I don't care to define them, they are ineffable
Pantheism -- the physical world is divine
Panentheism -- the Gods are everywhere
Polytheism -- there is more than one God
Animism -- everything is alive
Monism -- everything that exists is one being
Monotheism – there is the one and only true God
Nontheism -- the recognition that there are gods but the concept that they are not the best focus (various right actions and right thinking that translate into higher levels of reciprocity and love in mankind may often be thought as the better focus in nontheistic religions)
... and yet other religions or paths ...
Regardless of whether you choose to have religion, regardless of whether you choose to get into religionism, and regardless of whether you're and atheist, agnostic or some form of 'spiritual but not religious' path, be it organized or not -- we humans are never going to hammer out a lot of our prevalent problems if we don't learn about the natures of power, imagination, love, reciprocity, logic and so on.
We have to solve problems at the root level or they just keep on coming back dressed up a bit differently. Really.
But, I wonder what makes them so sure. They make all kinds of competing claims. But, when you ask them to back them up, they point you to their holy book. when you point out that there are many different holy books & they can't all be right, they claim that only theirs is right. Again, you ask how do you know that. At that point they run out of answers.
I just say I have no idea what happens in the next world, if there is one.
Jesus also said: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Mathew 5:18
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!
Right now all you see isthat verse withiut completely understanding that it means He fulfills the law and the prophets by the New Covenant which nullifies the OT laws.
Christians always want to nullify the OT for their own convenience. But it remains just the same and they use it when it serves their own agenda as well.
The most typical part of that is Leviticus and issues around homosexual behavior. That raises its ugly head daily and is repeated by christian with fervor whenever it suite them to point fingers at anyone they want to direct their bigotry at.
The same goes for the Story of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis. That story is notoriously quoted to me, even though the majority of christian have no idea what the REAL meaning of the story is, and it is not about homosexual behavior at all.
And what about the Sabbath? If the OT laws are still in effect, why do "Christians" who follow the OT celebrate the New Sabbath on Sunday instead of from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday?
Do people wear mixed fabric in their clothing like cotton and synthetic materials? That is forbidden in the OT.
You see this is the mistake that was made by those who tried to distort the early church. And it is dead wrong. And is condemned throughout the NEW TESTAMENT. which is what REAL "Christians": are supposed to be living by.
All the rules that I follow are in the NT. I give you my word on that.
You will find that I am different from all those who try to take us back to the old ways.
I have no problem with anyone's religion as long as they keep it to themselves and not try to oppress other groups and demand that laws be made to suite their ideology. But that is how society has been run for centuries with christians and they are used to getting their way.
Now that other groups are expecting basic human rights, christians are howling at the moon and calling it unfair. I guess when you have had special treatment for years you get used to it.