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Is my friend right and I'm wrong?

Yosyp 2012/05/26 11:44:21
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I have a friend who has a very good condition 2010 car, problem is , he lost his job and has decided to let the bank take the car even though he has less than a year remaining on his payments.

I offered to take over the payments, I thought this would be win win situation for both of us, save his credit , I'll have a car.

He didn't look at it that way, said no way, the car is almost paid for , why should I get it at such a bargain.

Bottom line, he is willing to let the bank repossess and damage his credit, instead of allowing me to take over payments.

PS: I can not afford to give him a loan.
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  • sockpuppet 2012/05/26 13:22:09 (edited)
    None of the above
    sockpuppet
    +4
    You should have provided a "You are right" answer above... because you are.

    The English idiom would be "he's cutting off his nose to spite his face." In other words, he's doing something irrational --even though it will hurt him-- just because he's upset.

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  • _Ganjaa 2012/05/27 17:35:31
    None of the above
    _Ganjaa
    +1
    You're right ; no disrespect to your friend but he's an idiot
  • Bucky aka KINGPIN 2012/05/27 16:53:55
    You are both wrong
    Bucky aka KINGPIN
    +3
    Bottom line, two of you are not really friends, more like acquaintances. If you were friends, you would have worked something out!
  • Swampdog 2012/05/27 03:08:06
    None of the above
    Swampdog
    +2
    If you take over the payments and get a 2 year old car with just a few months to pay, WOW what a good deal for you. Mean while your friend who has paid for most of the car gets nothing. If you can't offer your friend a fair market price for the car plus take over the payments then you may wait for the bank to repossess the car and then purchase the car from the bank. All the bank wants is the balance of the loan, nothing more.
  • oros 2012/05/27 02:40:21
    None of the above
    oros
    +3
    Your friend is probably thinking if you renege on payments, damage the car or the car brakes down and you cannot afford the repair he is still liable for payments, he is still on the hook.
    Doing what you propose is fraught with danger the car would still be registered to him and what about insurance. You would have to clear this all with the finance company.
    What you propose is not even legal you cannot simply take over payments in my country. You have to settle the balance before you can transfer any vehicle.
    Offer to settle the balance in cash he might change his tune. Give him some form of compensation, let him keep his dignity.
    The car is not his until it is paid for it in effect belongs to the finance company.
    Anyway in my experience, friends, family and financial dealings are a recipe for disaster, steer clear.
  • METALheadMom 2012/05/26 22:04:35
    None of the above
    METALheadMom
    +3
    First of all, he is not your friend. He should WANT you to save his ass, but instead he will shoot himself in the foot to save his gigantic ego. I would WELCOME someone doing what you offered to do if I let myself get behind in payments. NOW, you DO realize that paying the car OFF, does NOT mean after it was paid off that YOU would get the car - - HE would get the signed off pink slip, NOT you, right? All you would be doing, is essentially leasing the car from him - - and have to give it back when you pay it off. Otherwise, he could claim you stole it.

    Regardless, the guy is not too smart, and not your friend. Let him get screwed - he deserves to feel the consequences. If he suddenly decides to change his mind and let you, DON'T do it. Trust me, you would be sorry you did.
  • Loser lollipop 2012/05/26 15:08:24
    You are both wrong
    Loser lollipop
    +2
    Its is wrong for you to just take over the payments because the car seems to be worth more than what is remaining in monthly payments. To make it even you should really be offering to take over the payments and then some, either continuing to make monthly payments to him for an extended period of time or give him a lump sum in addition to taking on the remaining payments.
  • Yosyp Loser l... 2012/05/26 15:14:31
    Yosyp
    I'm willing to do both but I can't or do I want to make payments for 2 or 3 years so he can recoup what he paid on the car which he told me he wanted.
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/05/26 14:15:00
    None of the above
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +2
    He is not thinking - his credit will take a huge hit and all his money is gone if he returns it to the lender. He should try to sell it. The bank will sell it for what ever is offered and, if the sale price does not cover what he owes; he will owe the balance and not have the car. Maybe offer him some cash with your offer to help him out.
  • Patric 2012/05/26 14:09:14
    You are both wrong
    Patric
    +2
    fair market value of car ?
    at what discount is he willing to accept to save his credit rating ?

    if the car is worth more than the payments, he could sell the car out right , pay off the load and pocket the difference..

    your not willing to pay fair market value for the car ????
  • Yosyp Patric 2012/05/26 14:24:11 (edited)
    Yosyp
    +1
    If I could I would, this more complicated, reason I don't own a car now is because I don't want a 3 or 4 year loan, but I could make payments for a year, even offer him some cash up front. His problem in selling, those who can afford to pay the the market price of the car probably already own a car or would finance and buy through a car dealership and have a warranty, his warranty is almost expired, except for engine falure.
  • Patric Yosyp 2012/05/26 14:34:51
    Patric
    ok,, you put a lot of info up there.
    but the question still remains..
    fair market value of car ?
    discount ?
    willing to pay fair market value ?
    this business deal does not seem that complicated to me...

    he wants $ X for the car , you want to pay $ Z for car,
    takes t2o to tango,
  • Burning Bright Embers 2012/05/26 14:05:03
    You are wrong
    Burning Bright Embers
    +2
    I got the WRONG answer. Your friend is not much of a friend. The bank is getting the best of all sides. They will just turn around and sell it again. They make out all the way around. Your friend is a loser.
  • Burning... Burning... 2012/05/26 15:44:44
    Burning Bright Embers
    And won't your friend be surprised to find out that the bank will still make him pay for the car? Returning it will not get him out of the contract he signed for the car
  • classic 2012/05/26 13:55:41 (edited)
    None of the above
    classic
    +2
    What a Ding Dong.. He cant be much of a friend if he is willing to ruin his credit, and not let you take the car because he would be giving you "Too good of a Deal" what the hell, someone else will get a good deal when the bank sells it... Again what a ding dong....
  • alanh 2012/05/26 13:55:18
    None of the above
    alanh
    This is NO friend! You should be heading the other way! He is an idiot who doesn't care for you or himself!
  • AmericanVirus 2012/05/26 13:49:01
    None of the above
    AmericanVirus
    +1
    Your friend has the right to do what he wants, no matter how illogical and ignorant it may be.
    If I were you, I would probably start getting pissed off at him for being so stupid, I can't stand ignorance.
  • zlazyks 2012/05/26 13:46:23
    Undecided
    zlazyks
    +3
    Offer to buy it at a fair price. Perhaps lowest blue book. Take over payments till done and then pay additional payments till the price is met.

    He does not want a repo on his credit. That's very damaging.
  • Flamingolady 2012/05/26 13:38:40
    None of the above
    Flamingolady
    +1
    I think you are right. This would help him and help you, too. Wish he was more understanding!
  • sockpuppet 2012/05/26 13:22:09 (edited)
    None of the above
    sockpuppet
    +4
    You should have provided a "You are right" answer above... because you are.

    The English idiom would be "he's cutting off his nose to spite his face." In other words, he's doing something irrational --even though it will hurt him-- just because he's upset.
  • oros sockpuppet 2012/05/27 02:46:40
    oros
    +1
    And I think he is trying to keep his dignity as well loosing a job is traumatic he is going through hell.
  • sockpuppet oros 2012/05/27 03:04:52
    sockpuppet
    +1
    It's terrible! If the job market there is anything like it is here, the guy is sunk. Getting harder and harder to make it to retirement, and harder to survive after that. :O(
  • oros sockpuppet 2012/05/28 02:47:06
    oros
    Nothing will change in my opinion the majority of the youth in Europe are unemployed and will never find employment.
    A whole generation will go through life without a job where does that leave us all.
    The global village will cause no part of the world to be immune.
    We have cultivated an economy and culture on debt driven consumerism. The divide between rich and poor is widening every day. The middle class is disappearing the balance has gone.
    The rise of the Nazis comes to mind be concerned very concerned. IE: the evil Jew has been renamed the evil banker the symptom is the same.
    Economies based on service IE; the UK are in IMO waiting to implode.
    Financial sector getting rich everybody else pounded into the ground.
    The problems are not getting fixed it is business as usual, IE: J.P. Morgan loss, the tip of the Iceberg.
  • sockpuppet oros 2012/05/29 22:55:38
    sockpuppet
    +1
    That's very true-- generations without work will suck the whole world into the abyss, and morale will be low enough that they'll embrace anything that comes down the pike.

    Nice point about the 'evil banker' who's more than earned the title, as far as I can see. Still, though it's all circling the drain, we ARE Mankind. We've risen to the challenges of evolution and extinction in the literal sense. We'll hash it out, I feel certain.
  • oros sockpuppet 2012/05/30 03:06:22
    oros
    It will sort it's self out in the end for sure, the only problem is that history cannot be ignored it will be a painful and destructive process mind sets have to be changed.
    Took an A bomb an H bomb and the total leveling of Germany to beat the ignorance and arrogance out of two cultures.
    Moral decay, materialism, greed, tyranny, ignorance, arrogance have broken down every civilisation in the worlds history.
    I wade through Gibbon's rise and fall of the Roman Empire and it all sounds so familiar.
    The dark ages lasted 500+ years.
    Took the Renaissance to jump start western civilisation again.
    That is what I fear the turmoil that comes before a new order.
    Let us hope that we come to our senses soon.
  • Swampdog sockpuppet 2012/05/27 03:13:06
    Swampdog
    +1
    I disagree, please read what I've written above.
  • sockpuppet Swampdog 2012/05/27 04:02:41
    sockpuppet
    +1
    So... it's better for the bank to ruin this guy's credit rating and repo his car? The 'dog in the manger' comes to mind.
  • Swampdog sockpuppet 2012/05/27 13:46:09
    Swampdog
    The car owner isn't thinking clearly, he's upset. What he should do is sell the car and use the money to pay off the balance. I have no idea what kind of banking laws they have in the Ukraine!
  • Swan Eshdeh 2012/05/26 12:18:55
    Undecided
    Swan Eshdeh
    +2
    i don't think you are wrong ...but your friend maybe too sensitive ,,,or you didn't know him better i don't know !!! is he angry with you ??? i would say let god help you i hate when that happened to me : misunderstood between friends
  • Yosyp Swan Es... 2012/05/26 12:42:20 (edited)
    Yosyp
    +1
    We are still friends but there is tension, I believe he thinks I'm taking advantage of his bad situation, but its not like I planned this , waiting for a friend to lose their job so I can swoop in and take their car. I'm sure we'll be fine as time passes.. Thanks for your comment.
  • Swan Es... Yosyp 2012/05/26 12:48:56
    Swan Eshdeh
    +2
    no ...brother you are welcome ...i am sure if he still on his opinion ..he would lose you ..and i believe you are a good guy ...if so don't be sad god will make it up to you
  • classic Yosyp 2012/05/26 13:57:35
    classic
    +2
    Go to the Bank and make arrangements to buy the car from them........

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