Is Micheal really Jesus?
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| 1Th 4:16 | For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: this is the scripture in question what do you think? |
If I give you proof, you guys will simply translate a new Bible as ye did the first time.
Micah 5: 2“And you, O Beth´le•hem Eph´ra•thah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite...... this speaks plainly of Jesus who as you know was in the beginning the “word” then became “Michael” in the Heavens before descending to Earth and becoming “Jesus” in flesh
Hebrews 9: 14how much more will the blood of the Christ, who through an everlasting spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works that we may render sacred service to [the] living God?..... Interesting you bought up this scriptures Sandi many people don’t see what it true meaning is and I do mean those appointed as learned in scriptural understanding here. So bear with me while I walk thought this as it is very important. Ok here we are talking about part of the ransom Jesus gave for our sins “” how much more will the blood of the Christ,”” the next part speaks of who Jesus is again I draw you back to Michael this is “””an everlasting spirit offered himself wi...
Micah 5: 2“And you, O Beth´le•hem Eph´ra•thah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite...... this speaks plainly of Jesus who as you know was in the beginning the “word” then became “Michael” in the Heavens before descending to Earth and becoming “Jesus” in flesh
Hebrews 9: 14how much more will the blood of the Christ, who through an everlasting spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works that we may render sacred service to [the] living God?..... Interesting you bought up this scriptures Sandi many people don’t see what it true meaning is and I do mean those appointed as learned in scriptural understanding here. So bear with me while I walk thought this as it is very important. Ok here we are talking about part of the ransom Jesus gave for our sins “” how much more will the blood of the Christ,”” the next part speaks of who Jesus is again I draw you back to Michael this is “””an everlasting spirit offered himself without blemish to God”” notice here the words “”TO GOD”” ( Michael came from the Heavens born as Jesus to redeem us for Adam failings ) the last part speaks of God’s holy spirit “”[the] living God?”” this is the spirit of God which exist in all living flesh on Earth. I know it is hard to accept and can be confusing to many but it does give proof how Michael and Jesus are the same else the trinity would consist of four, Jehovah, Michael, Jesus and holy spirit as all separate can you see this ??
and as you can see not the first time someone spoke like you do.
now lets see you support your claim ?..... or forever accept this truth
(REASONING FROM THE SCRIPTURES)
why do you ask?
now if you don't believe Jesus is Michael can you tell me who the faithful and decrest slave is then ?
Sorry, angels were created to serve God, not be God. That is why satan fell. he wanted to be like God.
God/Trinity, angels, people. That's it. Nothing more to read into it.
Jhn 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
while Jesus will rain as King over Earth once Satan is locked up for the 1000years and then until destory at which time we will be returned to Jehovah cleansed of all our sin ( imperfections) the point here was showing how Jesus before he was called Jesus is known as Michael and is currently called Michael again because he has returned to his spirit form and regained all the power he gave up to be a slave for humans and that made him yes the faithful and decrest slave unlike the claim Churches make of them as the slave expecting to rule over Humans one day Jesus himself.
Sorry, if this is what you believe then we don't have anything to discuss.
Michael is an angel, Jesus is God.
Jesus is the Son of God, God in flesh.
Good day sir.
and again I say to you prove to me Jesus is God
I am sorry I have shown you clearly Jesus is not God,
and yet you still can not see the writing on the wall.
the teachings of Jesus are self explaing just open your mind and think about what has been given
you to just keep saying without having reasoned with what I have given you.
this not applying the teachings of Matthew 6:33 seek first the kingdom or in other words look for God's wisdom from the Bible.
what you would have noticed is everytime Jesus confirms the words of his followers say yes this is what you are saying then he explains to his followers this is what I am saying. always you see to conversations one which are the thoughts of the of th men and then Jesus explains to them what they should be thinking not what they were thinking the scriptures I have shown you give a great example of this type of teaching if you can understand Jesus that is.
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I will help you out Jesus is saying you have not received the father bcause you are blind to the truth
Jhn 13:14 If I then, [your] Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Jhn 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Jhn 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
as you can see Jesus is pointing out they have wrongly called him master as Jesus claims in John 13:16 he is not greater than the one who sent him.
again I say Jesus is not God but is infact Michael so far no one ahs been able to show other wise yet but please if you can I will listen :-)))
Isaiah God says he is alone Master and is alone Lord. God specifically says Isaiah he is alone saviour there is NONE beside him. ( thus no trinity - one God alone who is alone Saviour. Jesus is Saviour alone. )
God specifically tells us he has treated us equally and expects us to do the same for all.
God is not greater than himself .
Jesus is not pointing out they were incorrect. He is pointing out they are correct and much is expected of them.
Michael is an angel . Jesus is not an angel and states this clearly to my mind and heart. Michael is no saviour of anyone or anything . Jesus states Jesus is Saviour.
We are the children of the one God .... CHILDREN made in His Image and He states He is Spirit thus we are also spirit.
This idea that God lies alot is for the meek who inherit the earth.
Exodus.. God wears flesh to help Moses faith grow a bit.... Moses needed lots of convincing eh? And still he was kept out of the promised land... However... think about it further... Yes, Moses made terrible mistakes.. And God is merciful .. Moses was not meek , didn't need to inherit earth ... and I believe he inherits Heaven.
Keep studying. I am glad you have such powerful interest.
Jesus is lord and king or master over humans once the end of the system takes place this happens upon his return :-)))
for now Jesus is the faithful and descret slave just as
John 13:16 points out
what many people do with the Bible no offence meant either.
is they read the bible and forget the timeline when events are to happen. the bible is a history and a book of prediction, many events have happened and there are those yet to happen we should bare this in mind consider the messages in an illustration and you can see how Jesus would say I am because you say I am bit then goes on to say now this is what you should know
as you can see here Jesus says this is what you think
Jhn 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for [so] I am.
and now Jesus says this is what I know and you should understand
Jhn 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
so you see Jesus said you call me Master yet I tell you I am the servant and makes it clear he was sent by God
Rev 12:7 ¶ And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
the dragon spoken of is Satan
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time
this one brings out that the Earth is under the control of Satan.
Lexicon / Concordance for John 1:1
1:1 Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος
English (KJV) Strong's Root Form (Greek) Tense
In g1722 ἐν en
the beginning g746 ἀρχή archē
was g2258 ἦν ēn
the Word, g3056 λόγος logos
and g2532 καί kai
the Word g3056 λόγος logos
was g2258 ἦν ēn
with g4314 πρός pros
God, g2316 θεός theos
and g2532 καί kai
the Word g3056 λόγος logos
was g2258 ἦν ēn
God. g2316 θεός theos
Thanks sister Jean I am wondering what you think about this scripture?
English (KJV) Strong's Root Form (Hebrew) Tense
And the LORD h3068 יהוה Yĕhovah
God h430 אלהים 'elohiym
formed h3335 יצר yatsar
man h120 אדם 'adam
[of] the dust h6083 עפר `aphar
of h4480 מן min
the ground, h127 אדמה 'adamah
and breathed h5301 נפח naphach
into his nostrils h639 אף 'aph
the breath h5397 נשמה nĕshamah
of life; h2416 חי chay
and man h120 אדם 'adam
became a living h2416 חי chay
soul. h5315 נפש nephesh
I cam across it in the KJV and was wondering about the flase God you mentioned. the scripture as written is below
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
False gods are anything other than the Holy Trinity!!
next you say holy spirit but hold up wait a mintue is God a Spirit ?
is God holy?
if this is the case then why would God split into two spirits?
the bible say God breathed his spirit into the nosterlise of man and made him a living soul.
now what do you think about this reasoning I have just provide you? ... remember all you have is Jesus, God and the spirit from God not a third spirit.
The simplest practical explanation... Water... Ice-Water-Steam. They are all H2O, but they are different forms of the same thing...H2O
God the Father-Jesus Christ-Holy Spirit... all are different forms of the same thing...GOD!!