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  • Jarod Kochman 2012/06/18 12:39:15
    Never Was...
    Jarod Kochman
    God never dies
  • beach bum 2012/06/14 11:30:17
    No...
    beach bum
    no
  • The Judge 2012/06/14 07:19:07
    Never Was...
    The Judge
    +1
    The Concept of God might be dying sinse there is no proof in God then he can neither be alive or Dead
  • Beat Magnum True Hero 2012/06/14 04:55:27
    No...
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    Better powers than "Time" magazine have tried...
  • blissful 2012/06/14 04:18:37
    Never Was...
    blissful
    No, he is very much alive! Just cause you can't see him doesn't mean that does not Exist. There is evidence that he is alive every time you open your eyes in the morning..
  • mzemma 2012/06/14 03:20:06
    Never Was...
    mzemma
    good question...... god was created by "man" and not the other way around... think about it! A real god would never have alter boys, discriminate against women, create poverty so a handful of greedy ass sick men.. could clam to speak for god and rip countries and people off while working towards a single global government... it's all a forest; the biggest scam of human kind. This handful of secret society egotistical idiots need to go back to Mars where they below.... (oh that's right, they already ruined that planet - Earth is next because THEY think they own it and can use to at this disposable) Like I said egotistical sicko's.... all of 'em
  • wtw 2012/06/14 03:17:09
    No...
    wtw
    Never was--only in the mind of many people did he die!
  • LuridLolita 2012/06/14 02:43:05
    Hmmm...
    LuridLolita
    I don't think any of the Gods are dead.
  • The_Infidel_Atheist 2012/06/14 02:38:23
    Never Was...
    The_Infidel_Atheist
    +2
    Which god?
  • Nickie Ahreeya 2012/06/14 02:18:02
    Never Was...
    Nickie Ahreeya
    What kinda question is that? Just cause we can't see him, doesn't mean he's dead. He's always alive... :) One person you can never kill.
  • John Duffee 2012/06/14 02:08:21
    Yes...
    John Duffee
    The Religious Right has seen to that.
  • Reverend Hell 2012/06/14 01:48:53
    No...
    Reverend Hell
    "God" is very much alive... by whatever name-
  • Jan Haskell 2012/06/14 01:47:17
    No...
    Jan Haskell
    He's still workin' on me.
  • Apache 2012/06/14 01:16:47
    No...
    Apache
    God is only dead in the souls of poor destitute people.
  • Veritas 2012/06/14 00:50:58 (edited)
    No...
    Veritas
    +2
    As a bonus, I think there's a cello somewhere in this song!

  • Woman of many faces~ijm 2012/06/14 00:10:46
    Hmmm...
    Woman of many faces~ijm
    +1
    Good question...Lol
  • Lydecho Rain (Лидия) 2012/06/14 00:00:31
    Hmmm...
    Lydecho Rain (Лидия)
    He doesn't exist and therefore cannot die
  • Apache Lydecho... 2012/06/14 01:17:32
    Apache
    +1
    The Commie perspective.
  • Lydecho... Apache 2012/06/14 23:26:12
    Lydecho Rain (Лидия)
    WTF does that have to do with anything?
  • Darth Vader.BN-0 2012/06/13 23:59:16
    No...
    Darth Vader.BN-0
    Nope!
  • Mechelle 2012/06/13 23:41:57
    No...
    Mechelle
    +3
    Alive and well and living large in the souls of all who love and believe in him. Watching over us all. He loves everyone, believers and non-believers alike. Have a blessed Day and God be with you.
  • Truth Matters 2012/06/13 23:12:39
    No...
    Truth Matters
    +2
    Atheism is intellectually dead

    If you think God is dead, then please provide your evidence?

    I guarantee you cannot defeat my evidence and arguments for God.


    Here is a very cursory outline of some of the best evidences for God. The full arguments and evidences are not NOT adequately explained here. This is a very compacted outline I put together - not comprehensive.

    Contingency – Why does something exist rather than nothing? Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause, so Something must self-exist. Self-existence is necessary. Self –creation is impossible. The Universe began. Universe is not self-existent. Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence. God does not – no beginning.

    Cosmological – Absolute beginning requires a cause. Cause of Physical Universe cannot be Physical. Must be non-physical, space-less, timeless and willful to cause Physical Universe from Physical Nothingness.

    Design: Specified ordered and integrated interdependencies aimed towards a third-purpose design objectives clearly infer intelligent agency. ‘Chance’ events within limited time-frames cannot rationally account for Design achievements No plausible Naturalistic mechanisms or explanations actually exist. Origin of radically sophisticated DNA information (soft...



















    Atheism is intellectually dead

    If you think God is dead, then please provide your evidence?

    I guarantee you cannot defeat my evidence and arguments for God.


    Here is a very cursory outline of some of the best evidences for God. The full arguments and evidences are not NOT adequately explained here. This is a very compacted outline I put together - not comprehensive.

    Contingency – Why does something exist rather than nothing? Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause, so Something must self-exist. Self-existence is necessary. Self –creation is impossible. The Universe began. Universe is not self-existent. Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence. God does not – no beginning.

    Cosmological – Absolute beginning requires a cause. Cause of Physical Universe cannot be Physical. Must be non-physical, space-less, timeless and willful to cause Physical Universe from Physical Nothingness.

    Design: Specified ordered and integrated interdependencies aimed towards a third-purpose design objectives clearly infer intelligent agency. ‘Chance’ events within limited time-frames cannot rationally account for Design achievements No plausible Naturalistic mechanisms or explanations actually exist. Origin of radically sophisticated DNA information (software) driving molecular highly sophisticated molecular machines within each cell. Also, the design inference from irreducible complexity cannot and certainly has not been adequately explained.

    Precision FINELY TUNED constants and quantities present in initial conditions of the Universe to within infinitesimally narrow ranges to permit life. Universe is precision balanced on razor’s edge. This is virtual mathematical proof of intent – a function of mind – is necessary to explain these precision orderings.

    Ontological argument – God is a metaphysically necessary Being. Since God’s attributes are metaphysically possible, and all metaphysical possibilities must also be actual if possible, God must be actual.

    Intelligence in Nature: Intelligence, order and reason and information all from Nothingness?

    Spiritual instinct of man: Evolved to connect with something not actual?

    Free-will: Chemical causation is not free-will. Agency requires a soul. Chemicals have no moral duties.

    Moral Truth / Apprehension of Objective moral truth. Is rape really wrong or just an illusion? Is rape just a natural chemical byproduct caused by electrochemical activity (Atheism) – or an act of will.

    Massive Historical evidences of witnessed Miracles, visions, fulfilled prophecies,.

    Personal experiences: Ubiquitous NDE’s, supernatural phenomena

    Christ’s resurrection witnessed by hundreds.

    Absolute failure of Naturalism to explain a Finely tuned Universe, Finite Universe, Sentience, Rational truth and natural order, Moral Law (morality), intuition, intentionality, intelligence, purpose, free-will…
    (more)
  • Ugh! Truth M... 2012/06/13 23:15:20
    Ugh!
    +1
    Holy Sh*t
    holy
  • Lunacat Ugh! 2012/06/13 23:24:31
    Lunacat
    +5
    There's the holy roller now....lol
  • Woman o... Lunacat 2012/06/14 00:09:18
  • Onyx11 Truth M... 2012/06/14 00:16:51
  • Truth M... Onyx11 2012/06/14 00:47:03
    Truth Matters
    Then why are you here discussing it? Do you always discuss that which is meaningless? Are your thoughts random and meaningless?

    Atheism is absurd
  • Onyx11 Truth M... 2012/06/14 01:37:17
    Onyx11
    +1
    The universerse in itself is meaningless, the universe has no goal to achive. However, you are not meaningless. You have family and friends, you effect other people's lives.
  • Truth M... Onyx11 2012/06/14 11:06:06 (edited)
    Truth Matters
    If the universe itself is meaningless and without purpose, everything within is also meaningless and without purpose. Your thoughts and conscience are not just random chemical events - as would be true if you had no soul (mind) behind those chemicals.

    Atheism is simply not consistent with what you directly experience - real morality, real meaning, real significance, real value to life a real mind, real free-will, real choice, etc.
  • Onyx11 Truth M... 2012/06/14 22:19:54
    Onyx11
    Actually, Sigmund Freud prooved that your conscience mind is a chemical event.
  • Truth M... Onyx11 2012/06/14 23:07:22
    Truth Matters
    Sigmund didn't prove any such thing. That would be impossible to prove.
    Did the chemicals tell Sigmund that? How would Sigmund trust the reliability of his own mind's conclusions if he knows it's just chemicals causing illusions
    in his head.

    If your mind were causally determined by chemicals, there could be no free-will. Chemical CAUSATION cannot be FREE. Nothing caused is free.
  • Onyx11 Truth M... 2012/06/15 01:05:36
    Onyx11
    This book explains your conscious and unconscious mind.
    incognito david eagleman

    - "It indicated that thinking, like other aspects of behavior, was not tremendous magic -- but instead had a mechanical basis."

    - "He (Sigmund Freud) reasoned that if choices and decisions derive from hidden mental prosesses, then free choice is either an illusion, or at minnium, more tightly constrained than previously considered."
  • Truth M... Onyx11 2012/06/15 02:06:03
    Truth Matters
    This is just expressing his psychological bias. He is a committed materialist.

    Yes, free-choice would be pure illusion if chemicals cause everything.
    Morality becomes absurd. Do you think raping a child is nothing more than a chemical event? Why is a child raping murderer wrong if chemicals cause the behavior? He has no choice if Atheism / Materialism is correct.
    Is that the the world you experience? No free-will, no moral right or wrong - just chemical animals causing whatever chemicals cause?
    Why should I believe my experience is wrong - just so Atheism makes sense?
    Why should I believe a child rapist is morally justified since chemicals cause his behavior?

    Why should I believe my mind is really just a chemical delusion?

    Atheism is false - not the moral reality I experience.
  • The Judge Truth M... 2012/06/14 07:22:19
    The Judge
    Contingency – Why does something exist rather than nothing? Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause, so Something must self-exist. Self-existence is necessary. Self –creation is impossible. The Universe began. Universe is not self-existent. Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence. God does not – no
    beginning. -Who created God, answer that other wise all your circular logic is bunk.
  • Truth M... The Judge 2012/06/14 11:10:21
    Truth Matters
    Nobody created God. God is Prime. God has no Beginning, God self-exists (not self-creates).

    The Universe began. It requires a causal agency.

    There is no logical flaw in the argument whatsoever. You should read and get familiar with the arguments before you dismiss them for superficial reasons,
  • The Judge Truth M... 2012/06/14 11:24:12
    The Judge
    You just discounted your whole argument. if you state everything has to come from something, Then God has to come from something. You can't just make him prime to fit your opinion.
  • Truth M... The Judge 2012/06/14 11:29:56
    Truth Matters
    No. I say everything that BEGINS TO EXIST must have a causal agency, yet something must self-exist without beginning as Prime. The Universe isnot that something. It begins

    The outline does not fully explain the argument.
  • The Judge Truth M... 2012/06/14 11:34:22
    The Judge
    +1
    Who is to say it is your God or any God at all that would Create all this? it could be Aliens, could be just a random explosion? You say God self existing there for he is prime. That is like Saying The Bible proves the bible. your thoughts are based on emotion not logic.
  • Truth M... The Judge 2012/06/14 23:17:36
    Truth Matters
    I never claimed this proves the God of the Bible. You are just shifting the goalposts because your original objection was defeated.

    Aliens would exist contingently in the Universe. They (plural) cannot be prime.
    A random explosion from physical Nothing? That's logically absurd. Nothing existed to explode.

    It's obviously perfectly consistent with the God of the Bible: Singular, Immaterial, non-located, Timeless, enormous capacities, intentional, rational, etc. It certainly precludes pantheism, Atheism, ect.

    "You say God self existing there for he is prime. That is like Saying The Bible proves the bible. your thoughts are based on emotion not logic."

    No, I say Prime self-existence is a rational necessity. Why? Because it's impossible that Nothing ever existed - or nothing would exist now. Nothing cannot cause Something. Nothing has no capacities or being. We know the Universe began, therefore the Universe cannot be prime / self-existent - but exists CONTINGENTLY - hence, the argument from 'contingency'.
  • 666_Maggots~PassionForGlory... 2012/06/13 22:52:04 (edited)
    Never Was...
    666_Maggots~PassionForGlory BN-1
    +2
    IT was never alive................ >.>

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