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Is America Close to New Great Depression?

Heisenberg 2012/07/17 20:00:00
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Richard Duncan, author of "The New Depression: The Breakdown of the Paper Money Economy," says that America is experiencing a new type of "Great Depression." Do you agree with him?

CNBC.COM reports:
The risk of a new depression — a sustained, severe recession — has struck fear into the heart of markets and driven monetary policy in developed economies since the current financial crisis began.
heart markets driven monetary policy developed economies current financial crisis

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  • Prophet 2012/07/17 16:00:27
    Yes
    Prophet
    +8
    This happens when a persons financial or employment future is uncertain. A depression occurs when one spends more than they take in. It works the same for a country.

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  • neoscorpio BrianD3 2012/07/18 15:02:34
  • BrianD3 neoscorpio 2012/07/18 15:31:08
    BrianD3
    Keniesian economiics was based upon an observation that while true had unintended consequences and did not take human nature into account and was therefore flawed.
  • neoscorpio BrianD3 2012/07/18 15:36:11 (edited)
    neoscorpio
    It is flawed for one reason, most people shows signs that they care more for themselves then others. People have become less able to think about how their actions affect others.

    Main reasons for this to occur: disinhibition caused by chronic stress and poor sociological development, and the narcassistic movement, caused by a poorly designed education system. When you give people attention without them truly earning it, they get focused on that short-term concept of pleasure-based reward. They will continue to seek it out, even if they have to do negative things to get.

    This mindset shuts down the rational portion of brain, the pre-frontal cortex, and awakens the more primative portion of the brain, your basal ganglia and your amygdala. Exact reason why cocaine and meth are so addicting.
  • BrianD3 neoscorpio 2012/07/18 15:43:13
    BrianD3
    wrong. It is flawed because it tries to artificially smooth out the normal business cycles but there is a cost. Both expansionary Monetary and Fiscal policies have a cost and a limited effect, especially if sustained. His observation was based on small stimulus having a decent effect.

    What he failed to understand was that a sustained stimuluos is no longer a stimulous, it becomes the norm. This requires an even bigger stimulous to acchieve the same results and our cost increases. In time that invcreased level of stimulous becomes the new norm and so on and so on until we can no longer manage the costs of further expansionary efforts. Sort of like a guy hooked on drugs.....For him to get well, at some point he will have to crash.

    Keynes and your dream of a perpetual managed growth through constant expansionary policies precludes the notion of a crash and a reset which is exactly what we need at the moment.
  • neoscorpio BrianD3 2012/07/18 16:14:18
    neoscorpio
    Advanced development in right temporal-parietal junction cause people to feel more empathy. When they feel more empathy, they seek to develop concepts that project this feeling of empathy for others.

    Are they doing this because they are stupid or brainwashed, no they can't help it. If you look at studies on human empathy, you will see that people who are naturally more empathetic have a higher chance of being called naive or taken advantage of. They see the world as it can and should become, not as it is.

    Your statement about human nature can also be said about democracy. While giving everybody the right, ability, and responsibility to lead both their own lives and others, there are adaptive primative functions that we inherited from being a part of the primate family, such as alpha (fe)male driven societies.

    When no leader is present, narcassitic people take over. They start destroy the system to develop a system that becomes all about them. Lenin and Stalin in Russia, Napolean in France, Caeser in ancient Rome, Bush in America, Ayn Rand, etc.
  • BrianD3 neoscorpio 2012/07/18 16:19:50
    BrianD3
    +1
    my statement about human nature was not about giving or charity. It was a recognition that we all like to see things turn out positive and rather than cut our dose of expansionary drug, we up the dose to keep feeling better.
  • abubincrazy 2012/07/18 14:07:15
    Yes
    abubincrazy
    +2
    If Obama gets to implement his full assault on private business, our economy WILL implode.
    Which will drag the rest of "the world" down with us.
  • neoscorpio abubinc... 2012/07/18 15:02:57
  • abubinc... neoscorpio 2012/07/18 22:06:18
    abubincrazy
    +1
    His giant tax assault will hit the MIDDLE CLASS HARD.
    The wealthy can afford it, and the poor don't pay it.
    He is lying (again) when he says he wants to help the middle class.
    He wants to destroy the middle class.
  • neoscorpio abubinc... 2012/07/18 23:28:33 (edited)
  • Pamela ... neoscorpio 2012/07/19 12:28:56
  • neoscorpio Pamela ... 2012/07/19 13:04:59 (edited)
    neoscorpio
    It's clear that stoicism is dead.

    I can't stand either party. Both sides drive me completely nuts. Both sides tell you what you want to hear and then do nothing in order to prove that they are willing to make the necessary sacrifices need to save our society.

    It has become all about them. Elitest socialism at its finest. Our country is no longer a democracy, but aristocratic oliogracy.

    Do I believe that liberalism is dead, yes. It has de-evolved into a entitlement hand-out system that does not allow for people to become independant human beings.

    However, i also know that studies have shown that we are social beings. We need an interdependant society, where each individual has a chance to make something out of themselves.

    It starts with an effective education system, instead of one that forces you to think the idea of system. Where the leaders of school districts are not bureaucrats, but people with training in cognitive development and growth ideals. Where they can understand that making mistakes is a part of being human, and true education is about learning from those mistakes. Teaching kids to motivate themselves to become motivated, productive citizens; instead of just mindless drone that only want get drunk, party, have sex, pretend sentience, play football, et...
    It's clear that stoicism is dead.

    I can't stand either party. Both sides drive me completely nuts. Both sides tell you what you want to hear and then do nothing in order to prove that they are willing to make the necessary sacrifices need to save our society.

    It has become all about them. Elitest socialism at its finest. Our country is no longer a democracy, but aristocratic oliogracy.

    Do I believe that liberalism is dead, yes. It has de-evolved into a entitlement hand-out system that does not allow for people to become independant human beings.

    However, i also know that studies have shown that we are social beings. We need an interdependant society, where each individual has a chance to make something out of themselves.

    It starts with an effective education system, instead of one that forces you to think the idea of system. Where the leaders of school districts are not bureaucrats, but people with training in cognitive development and growth ideals. Where they can understand that making mistakes is a part of being human, and true education is about learning from those mistakes. Teaching kids to motivate themselves to become motivated, productive citizens; instead of just mindless drone that only want get drunk, party, have sex, pretend sentience, play football, etc. These leaders must also realize that there are chances that people can suffer from brain-dysfunction. That maybe the concussion a child suffured from at age 6 is now causing behavioral problems at 16. That the reason why the child is acting out in classes is because (s)he is bored and tired of waiting for information that stimulates them because they already understand everything the teacher is discussing.
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  • abubinc... neoscorpio 2012/07/21 01:37:23
    abubincrazy
    I am middle class.
    I know what I'm talking about.
  • neoscorpio abubinc... 2012/07/19 00:01:50
    neoscorpio
    Prove it. Stop listening to your fear mongering leaders and think for yourself. Train your brain to use the top- down processing system. Remember that the people that you believe are there for you could give farts less about you. Since they, or even I, have never met you; they, or I, can't possibly know what you go or have went through. They assume that you are lazy because you are poor. The human body is only capable of handling so much stress. Too much and the logical portion shuts off, leaving a emotional wreck who can't function properly.

    What I have seen from both sides is a blatent disregard for the people they are supposed to be representing. Short-term individual reward has become more important than long-term system gains.

    Bull run markets Always develop into recessions. Bubble economics will always fail because the market economies will never be able to keep up with a fabricated monetary economy.
  • Incognito abubinc... 2012/07/18 15:22:27
    Incognito
    Silly Republican, the president is a cheer leader. The full assault on private business, as you put it, starts with oligarchs that do not want competition. Anti-competitive behavior is un-American. Wal-Mart anyone? The corporate heirs at Wal-Mart are worth more than 180,000,000 Americans. Republicans should not be concerned about big government, they should be concerned about big business.
  • abubinc... Incognito 2012/07/18 22:07:12
    abubincrazy
    Those richers pay MOST of the taxes already, silly communist.
  • mich52 2012/07/18 14:00:11
    No
    mich52
    Its possible if the House decides to play more games with our economy like they did during the Debt Ceiling fiasco.. I think we've covered our bases well enough to prevent it.. Many people assume too much and too many think/assume we are still in a recession which is false... NBER people, its their job...
  • CaboMary 2012/07/18 13:51:04
    No
    CaboMary
    +1
    Paper money could be a problem in many countries, but a sustained severe recession seems unlikely here. We have so many resources in this country and it is just a question of using them wisely to promote growth. A turnaround is not going to happen this year because of the lame duck Congress, but look for a big change after November, no matter who gets elected.
  • jimmy d CaboMary 2012/07/18 14:00:29
    jimmy d
    +1
    How about that lame duck Sail Eared Anklegrabber getting re-elected with his anti-american, anti-business stance. We will be mired in lackluster GDP growth for years and never recover. The American Dream is in peril lib!!!!!
  • Grizzle 2012/07/18 13:42:36 (edited)
  • Victor ... Grizzle 2012/07/18 14:51:55
    Victor Kottinger
    +3
    This joker in our White House, is still blaming the former PRESIDENT. He been in our House, for over 3 1/2 years, This only prove to me that this socialist is a big mistake for all of us. We sure made a bad mistake in picking this clown in leading our country on the road to Socialism. As a Democrat, I believe it's time to retake our Party back and return her to the people, before. It's too late.
  • Grizzle Victor ... 2012/07/18 16:51:25
    Grizzle
    Good luck with getting you're party back. I prefer to fight for the survival of our country, to hell with the two parties.
  • neoscorpio Grizzle 2012/07/18 15:03:29
  • Grizzle neoscorpio 2012/07/18 16:49:36 (edited)
    Grizzle
    Posting the same thing over and over will get you booted for spamming. Just thought I would let you know.
  • Israel Grizzle 2012/07/18 16:46:58
    Israel
    +1
    Of his own making largely in his first term too.
  • Bob 2012/07/18 13:25:50
    Yes
    Bob
    +1
    Middle class being pushed into poverty. Unfortunately with many of the existing poor.
  • jimmy d Bob 2012/07/18 14:01:37
    jimmy d
    +1
    Thanks to the food stamp presidency doubling down on big government socialism. If he would just take his foot off the throat of capitalism we'd be humming along by now. POS POTUS!
  • Franklin 2012/07/18 13:18:48
    Yes
    Franklin
    +4
    we are well into one right now ! only the crazy government give a-ways make it seam like its not as bad as IT IS!
    fact is a larger portion of the wadge dependent population is unemployed right now than has ever been unemployed before in all US history ....Food stamps are all that is keeping "soup lines" from be headline news all day every day ! depre
  • gunner 2012/07/18 13:17:53
    Yes
    gunner
    +2
    This one is world wide. The looting bankers are building up to the coup de gras.They took over Greece.Whos next?Spain,Portugal,Italy,Ger... The little countries don`t matter unless they are rich in precious metals or oil,or poppies.Then they will just fund a little war to take over them. They (bankers) have to go slowly.Like the sneak thief.Rothchild had it right.To paraphrase'when you control the countries currency,it doesn`t matter what laws they pass'. So much for the Fed. Reserve and Congress. BAH !
  • Mr.Hoodz the Truth Troll 2012/07/18 13:15:22
    Yes
    Mr.Hoodz the Truth Troll
    +1
    All a part of the plan. This is what happens when central banks together with corporations run a country.
  • hat man 2012/07/18 13:06:36
    Yes
    hat man
    +1
    Maybe. These things are part of the economy. They are hard to stop. When there is a an over saturation of products and not enough buyers. Innovation is the treatment.
  • CP 2012/07/18 13:03:18
    Yes
    CP
    i freakin hope not!
  • Mary Ann 2012/07/18 12:53:12
    Yes
    Mary Ann
    +1
    Once American manufacturing companies started to close - becasue our government welcomed, encouraged and pass great laws and tax incentives (NAFTA) to allow this, it seems inevitable. Oh wait, how can that be, Mitt Romney did all that not Uncle Sam!
  • jimmy d Mary Ann 2012/07/18 14:02:53
    jimmy d
    +1
    And cost of labor because of UNIONS!!!! Company's cannot compete when these costs soar because of parasitic moochers!
  • neoscorpio jimmy d 2012/07/18 15:05:07
  • ♥K14 2012/07/18 12:42:53
    Yes
    ♥K14
    I Hope so.
  • King Trillionaire 2012/07/18 12:28:00
    Yes
    King Trillionaire
    It is in it, hidden behind handouts.
  • democoach 2012/07/18 12:17:21
    Yes
    democoach
    +2
    done on purpose too! i think the great deprssion was don delibretely too! i mean people control monetary value, people deside when it crashes
  • Wanderer 2012/07/18 11:28:19
    Yes
    Wanderer
    +6
    It's fast becoming a well known fact that the NWO want to see the USA as a third world country by 2020. Time for a little 'sleepers awake' me thinks.!
  • jimmy d Wanderer 2012/07/18 14:03:23
    jimmy d
    +2
    We can only hope!

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