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In the interest of debate, do you have any idea how many people are self-identified by the census as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered?

TruBluTopaz 2012/06/08 02:06:09
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I ask this because in some circles the assumption that gay people are everywhere simply is not true. This is not an excuse to victimize those who are gay, but within the rhetoric of the far Left political there's this underlying drumbeat of "we're all victims." Let's set things straight. Males still earn more than females. This means that a two male family earns far more than a two female family. So the problems of the married male gay couple are more social than economic. There's also the issue of the circuit of friends within the gay community. Gay men in positions of power are far more likely to hire their friends than straight managers of either gender due to fear of harrassment rules in the workplace. In some industries like design, graphic design, fashion, or many of the art dealerships and cosmetic firms, one gay male knowing another leads to jobs far more often than the usual method of job search and interview. This puts straight males at a disadvantage and puts all females regardless of preference at a disadvantage. Except during Gay Pride events, you will seldom see or hear gay males speak favorably of their female counterparts. It's a very strange social experiment. So, the gay rights advocates claim victimhood on parity with what minorities went through in the bad old days of repression. But really, when you see how economically and socially advantaged many gay males are, does that mean they are still victims? They certainly like to latch onto that idea for political, financial and social largesse. Once again, this is not an excuse to mistreat anyone,but the numbers estimated by many people of the gay community can be grossly out of line with reality.

So here's the big question. Knowing all that I've stated above, and I will admit this is the result of observation while working for two different gay owned and managed corporations and it's opinion based on what I experienced, do YOU know the actual numbers of self identified gay people in America? Guess first, then go read the attached article. I think you will be surprised, maybe even shocked.

Read More: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/0...

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  • KCurtis 2012/06/09 14:50:28
    Less than 5%
    KCurtis
    +14
    I've heard it is 3%
    Personally I don't care what or who you sleep with, but don't ask to marry a sheep either. The Sanctity of Marriage is a union between a man and a woman with the intent on being exclusive and raising a family. It is no more a right than driving a car.

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  • TruBluT... Melizmatic 2012/06/08 21:21:32
    TruBluTopaz
    +2
    So you are saying that census takers lied?
  • Melizmatic TruBluT... 2012/06/08 21:28:38
  • Metaldane TruBluT... 2012/06/08 21:35:23
    Metaldane
    +2
    Are you really so dumb that you need to ask that or are you simply being an ass? lolz
  • TruBluT... Metaldane 2012/06/08 21:37:54
    TruBluTopaz
    +3
    Well that's pretty offensive. Here I am trying to be nice and give people a chance to answer questions. But YOU made the claim that all politicians lie. By that definition, the current administration which is largely run by and for the causes embraced on the Democrat platform, are liars. I'm sorry if taking what you said literally upset you, but words mean things. Maybe you should consider that next time you post an absolute.
  • marylou5 TruBluT... 2012/06/09 15:54:02
    marylou5
    +1
    It has been proven many, many times that census takers are quite often the lower educated echelon of society who simply want a quick pay check, and accuracy and faking reports is easier than tramping the neighborhoods!!
  • holly g... TruBluT... 2012/06/08 19:40:22
    holly go lightly
    +1
    because they want to know where to spend campaign dollars.In reality nothing matters but the number of voting aged people in the household.They ask questions that do not matter any where else.
  • Rebel Uke 2012/06/08 15:32:40
    10% (the most popular estimate by the way)
    Rebel Uke
    +4
    civil rights are not debatable therefore the actual number of any minority group doesn't matter. Social equality doesn't equate to a popularity contest.
  • TruBluT... Rebel Uke 2012/06/08 15:42:31
    TruBluTopaz
    +3
    True. But people tend to disproportionately allot funding for causes or diseases based on popular but misleading numbers. For example, there were never the number of AIDS cases in this nation in comparison to heart disease, cancer or even arthritis, yet many research dollars were diverted from these diseases to find a cure for AIDS while others continued to die of other serious diseases largely because of misconceptions on how much of the population was impacted.
  • Joanie TruBluT... 2012/06/08 15:52:15
    Joanie
    +4
    Your stated concern that public resources will be disproportionately allocated because the general public believes that there are more LGBT people than there are is entirely unconvincing to me. The only thing you cited was AIDS, which is a disease that affects both homosexual and heterosexual people. In fact, I believe that worldwide, vaginal sex is the most common form of transmission of the disease. I am sorry, I just don't buy your stated explanation for this posting. I think mine is more accurate. (See below.)
  • TruBluT... Joanie 2012/06/08 15:55:37
    TruBluTopaz
    +4
    In this country it largely impacted the gay community. Others were exposed because AIDS was not treated as a communicable STD, which is was and that led to secondary transmission due to multiple partners, IV drug use and as a liability with the people who have sex in exchange for money.
  • Joanie TruBluT... 2012/06/08 16:05:16
    Joanie
    +4
    To suggest that HIV/AIDS is a gay issue rather than a public health issue is incorrect, and is, itself, an indication of anti-LGBT bigotry. As noted above, the most common form of HIV/AIDS transmission world wide is heterosexual sex. The third most common form of transmission is mothers breast feeding their children.
  • gracious43 Joanie 2012/06/08 17:30:33
    gracious43
    +1
    No the reality that HIV/AIDS is spread by homosexuality in the USA is a fact of life. The fact that the USA is continuing to bleed green cash over HIV/AIDS care and prevention is another fact of life:

    Table 1: Federal Funding for HIV/AIDS by Category, FY 2007-FY 2012 (US $Billions)
    Category 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
    Request Care $11.0 $11.7 $12.4 $13.2 $14.1 $14.9
    Cash/ Housing $2.2 $2.3 $2.5 $2.6 $2.7 $2.7
    Prevention $0.9 $0.9 $0.9 $0.9 $0.9 $1.0
    Research $2.7 $2.7 $3.0 $2.7 $2.7 $2.8
    Global $4.4 $5.9 $6.5 $6.6 $6.6 $6.9
    Total $21.2 $23.4 $25.3 $26.2 $27.1 $28.4

    http://www.kff.org/hivaids/70... - Cached
  • Joanie gracious43 2012/06/08 20:48:42
    Joanie
    +2
    You didn't dispute what I said about the most common form of HIV/AIDS transmission (heterosexual sex) because you cannot. The only data you have cited are amounts of dollars spent on people infected with HIV/AIDS. No data as to how they were infected.
  • gracious43 Joanie 2012/06/08 21:33:28
    gracious43
    +1
    You mentioned this as world wide, I couldn't help but notice. I also suspect that you know that it is the other way around in the US, and you cynically omitted that information. I on the other hand supplied it.

    In addtion, the homosexual activity Africa hasn't been been evaluated. Africa is not as open about homosexuality as the US is, and it is doubtful that African HIV victims would admit to it. Your assertion that the vagina is the leading cause of HIV is laughable. HIV is an fragile virus. Even left out in the open air will degrade quickly. The reason that it gains access to the blood stream in homosexuals is that the anal canal tears easily so that the virus is provided an easy access to the blood stream. The vagina, which was designed for penetration is much less vulnerable to tears and access to the blood-stream.

    With heterosexual sex, it is a matter of dosage of HIV. And a female is more apt to get HIV from intravenous drug use.

    Case in point, the low population of HIV among exclusive lesbians.
  • Joanie gracious43 2012/06/10 15:48:14
    Joanie
    +1
    "Globally, 85% of HIV transmission is through heterosexual intercourse."

    http://www.emedicinehealth.co...
  • gracious43 Joanie 2012/06/10 16:42:19
    gracious43
    +1
    You have to stay on target Joanie. I don't let people deflect. Think of me of having a bull-dog quality and a one-track mind. In the United States, HIV was spread by the homosexual community.
    -----------------------------...
    MMWR
    Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report
    CDC

    First Report of AIDS
    Twenty years ago, on June 5, 1981, MMWR published a report of five cases of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP) among previously healthy young men in Los Angeles (1 ). All of the men were described as “homosexuals”; two had died. Local clinicians and the Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) Officer stationed at the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, prepared the report and submitted it
    for MMWR publication in early May 1981. Before publication, MMWR editorial staff sent the submission to CDC experts in parasitic and sexually transmitted diseases. he editorial note that accompanied the published report stated that the case histories suggested a “cellular-immune dysfunction related tto a common exposure” and a “disease acquired through sexual contact.” The report prompted additional case
    reports from New York City, San Francisco, and other cities. At about the same time, CDC’s investigation drug unit, the sole distributor of pentamidine, the therapy for PCP, began to receive requests fo...

















    You have to stay on target Joanie. I don't let people deflect. Think of me of having a bull-dog quality and a one-track mind. In the United States, HIV was spread by the homosexual community.
    -----------------------------...
    MMWR
    Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report
    CDC

    First Report of AIDS
    Twenty years ago, on June 5, 1981, MMWR published a report of five cases of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP) among previously healthy young men in Los Angeles (1 ). All of the men were described as “homosexuals”; two had died. Local clinicians and the Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) Officer stationed at the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, prepared the report and submitted it
    for MMWR publication in early May 1981. Before publication, MMWR editorial staff sent the submission to CDC experts in parasitic and sexually transmitted diseases. he editorial note that accompanied the published report stated that the case histories suggested a “cellular-immune dysfunction related tto a common exposure” and a “disease acquired through sexual contact.” The report prompted additional case
    reports from New York City, San Francisco, and other cities. At about the same time, CDC’s investigation drug unit, the sole distributor of pentamidine, the therapy for PCP, began to receive requests for the drug from physicians also to treat young men. In June 1981, CDC developed an investigative team to identify risk factors and to
    develop a case definition for national surveillance. Within 18 months, epidemiologists conducted studies and prepared MMWR reports that identified all of the major risks factors for acquired immnodeficiency syndrome (AIDS). In March 1983, CDC issued recommendations for prevention of sexual, drug-related, and occupational transmission based on these early epidemiologic studies and before the cause of the
    new, unexplained illness was known. MMWR has published more than 400 reports about human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) and AIDS and remains a primary source of information about the epidemiology,
    surveillance, prevention, care, and treatment of HIV and AIDS. This anniversary issue provides new reports on the epidemiologic features and impact of HIV/AIDS on communities in the United States and in other countries. A compilation of notable MMWR reports on HIV and AIDS is available at http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/ hiv_aids20.html. A video that includes interviews with participants in these first AIDS
    investigations and reports and a video summary of each report in this issue is available at http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr. Reference
    1. CDC. Pneumocystis pneumonia — Los Angeles. MMWR 1981;30:250–2. June 1, 2001 / Vol. 50 / No. 21 U.S.
    -----------------------------...

    You see we have this little problem with Africa. Africaans might not be as truthful about who they are having sex with. That is one of the reasons we are going to stick with the United States facts of life. The second reason is that we are going to concern ourselves with the United States policy towards homosexuality. Africa is none of our business. The US is.

    The first HIV patient in America was Gaëtan Dugas, a Canadian air steward, who was a homosexual, and who had had sex with a 2,500 men, and even after he was diagnosed, he refused to quit having sex. Neither did any of his 2,500 partners

    Wikipedia.
    Dugas is described as being a charming, handsome sexual athlete who, according to his own estimation, averaged hundreds of sex partners a year. He claims to have had over 2,500 sexual partners across North America since becoming sexually active in 1972.[3] In addition, Dugas was legally married in Los Angeles on June 27, 1977 in an illegal attempt to receive United States citizenship.

    According to Snopes.com:
    Dugas appeared to move between denial that whatever he had could be transmitted sexually ("Of course I'm going to have sex. Nobody's proven to me that you can spread cancer"), depraved indifference to his partners' wellbeing ("It's their duty to protect themselves. They know what's going on out there. They've heard about this disease"), and a desire to take others with him ("I've got gay cancer. I'm going to die and so are you").[4]

    Gaetan Dugas
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  • Joanie gracious43 2012/06/10 17:29:49
    Joanie
    +1
    Do you want to share with us what these historical data from over 30 years ago have to do with this posting?
  • gracious43 Joanie 2012/06/10 18:20:08
    gracious43
    +1
    I would be delighted to.

    There is a reason that HIV infection has grown logarithmically, rather than linearly in the US.

    The HIV epidemic in this country would have been obliterated in the 80s by just letting this terminal disease finish its course.

    What with the first HIV patient, AKA patient 0, a Canadian homosexual having sex with 2500 men, and each of them sharing the same practices, HIV, which was originally termed the "gay disease" would have certainly reduced the practice of homosexuality to nil or very close to it, had there been on no federal funding policy at all.

    Instead, Federal and state funding gave homosexuals a sense of entitlement and outrage of any resistance to their practices and subsequent dipping into their evergrowing source of public money. Homosexuals were outraged over the closings of bathhouses in San Francisco, in spite of the link to HIV. Since HIV is funded by public money, including mine, it was not too much to ask. However, homosexuals, full of their own since of entitlement took to the streets.

    Americans, full of compassion, fell into line, aided by the fact that these homosexuals, who were having sex at the tune of roughly 2500 homosexual partners each, were spreading the disease into other communities. IV drug users and hemophilia patients.

    Homose...

    I would be delighted to.

    There is a reason that HIV infection has grown logarithmically, rather than linearly in the US.

    The HIV epidemic in this country would have been obliterated in the 80s by just letting this terminal disease finish its course.

    What with the first HIV patient, AKA patient 0, a Canadian homosexual having sex with 2500 men, and each of them sharing the same practices, HIV, which was originally termed the "gay disease" would have certainly reduced the practice of homosexuality to nil or very close to it, had there been on no federal funding policy at all.

    Instead, Federal and state funding gave homosexuals a sense of entitlement and outrage of any resistance to their practices and subsequent dipping into their evergrowing source of public money. Homosexuals were outraged over the closings of bathhouses in San Francisco, in spite of the link to HIV. Since HIV is funded by public money, including mine, it was not too much to ask. However, homosexuals, full of their own since of entitlement took to the streets.

    Americans, full of compassion, fell into line, aided by the fact that these homosexuals, who were having sex at the tune of roughly 2500 homosexual partners each, were spreading the disease into other communities. IV drug users and hemophilia patients.

    Homosexuals couldn't be trusted to be truthful about blood products they were donating and or selling. That is one reason a unit of blood has increased. We still must continue to screen for HIV-1 and HIV-2 via EIA methods which screen for p24. However this has shortened the window period between infection and detection, but it has not closed it.

    As an additonal outrage, PC bent politicians such as John Kerry, and my neice's lesbian teacher in LA are spouting off nonsense about the "discrimination" of rejecting homosexual donations of blood from practicing homosexuals. Both of these groups of people, should be imprisoned for practicing medicine without a license. But it isn't going to happen. Because Americans are determined to do themselves in with PC.
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  • Joanie gracious43 2012/06/10 18:29:43
    Joanie
    +1
    Oh, wow. So you think it would have been better to let the poor souls who contracted HIV early on die of it rather than attempt to find a cure for the disease. And I guess, you could care less about the African continent because, what, they are all blacks? You, Ma'am are an extreme bigot and have have zero credibility with any thinking, intelligent person.
  • gracious43 Joanie 2012/06/10 19:11:23
    gracious43
    +1
    See, this is the deal with attorneys who have gotten away with presenting their pitifully weak arguments in front of judges that are itching to legislate from the bench with their own biases in mind. You haven't had a chance to really expose your arguments in an open forum even one as unbiased and indifferent as SH.

    You've been protected, like a puling, wobbling toddler, from your own errors of logic.

    Let me explain a few facts of logic and debate to you. Your only rebuttals in what I stated was utilizing, not one, but two fallacious arguments. You are attempting to appeal to my sense of pity. Because I am supposed to pity the victims of HIV, therefore, I must not suggest that HIV should not have been funded by federal and state dollars. This fallacious logic is called Appeal to Pity, AKA argumentum ad misericordiam

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    An appeal to pity (also called argumentum ad misericordiam)[1] is a fallacy in which someone tries to win support for an argument or idea by exploiting their opponent's feelings of pity or guilt. It is a specific kind of appeal to emotion.

    Second of all, you are attacking my character rather than my assertions. This is a fallacious logical error called an argumentum ad hominem.
  • Joanie gracious43 2012/06/10 19:13:48
    Joanie
    +1
    It is what it is, and you are who you are.
  • gracious43 Joanie 2012/06/10 19:37:34
    gracious43
    +1
    Wow! And you managed to win cases in front of the Supreme court with arguments like that!

    Why don't you just go ahead and stick your tongue out at me, as well. That would help you win cases in federal courts too, with many of these judges. They like the behavior of five-year-olds.
  • Joanie gracious43 2012/06/10 19:41:16
    Joanie
    +1
    You are so above lawyers and judges! It's just amazing! And you get to categorize them as if they were 5-year-olds! The world is so unfair to you! If only the rest of the world understood!
  • gracious43 Joanie 2012/06/10 19:46:57
    gracious43
    +1
    Oh I don't care if your arguments to me are fallacious. You are exposing yourself, better than I ever could. More people than you and I are reading this discussion. Regardless of whether your mind is changed, other people in the US are also judging our arguments.

    Like I said, you aren't under the sympathetic wings of a tender activist federal judge on SH.
  • Joanie gracious43 2012/06/10 19:57:36
    Joanie
    +1
    Do you often feel that the world is unfair, and that, it is wrong that others don't understand how right you are and how f***ed up they are? I mean, does it gall you that your tax dollars are spent to find a cure for HIV when it is those others (queers, blacks, etc.) who get that disease? And does it bother you to have to deal with facts that don't fit your preconceived prejudices?
  • gracious43 Joanie 2012/06/10 20:20:07
    gracious43
    +1
    "And does it bother you to have to deal with facts that don't fit your preconceived prejudices?"


    Ahaaaaaaaa! I haven't hadn't to deal with any facts that fit into my preconceived prejudices, or bias for that matter.

    You certainly haven't presented me with any new facts or evidence. And I have already been presented with the facts that homosexuals hate me. I have already been presented with argumentum ad misericordiam responses, and I have already been presented with argumentum ad hominem responses. I have also already been presented with foul language responses. I've also been presented with the block response.

    if that is all you've got, then I'm probably not going to feel that sorry for myself. By the way. last week, I processed a unit of blood on a full-blown AIDS victim, with pancytopenia. He was less than 30-years-old. I feel sorry for him because he was lied to.
  • TruBluT... Joanie 2012/06/11 15:29:02
    TruBluTopaz
    +2
    If you knew anything about epidimology you would know that they always seek the sources. This is also true of E-coli outbreaks. I would think a lawyer would know at least that much.
  • TruBluT... Joanie 2012/06/11 15:27:41
    TruBluTopaz
    +2
    But we live in the U.S. And in the U.S. where gay advocacy groups have demanded funding over all other diseases, the spending is disproportionate to the numbers affected.
  • Joanie TruBluT... 2012/06/11 15:38:18
    Joanie
    +1
    Your argument is bogus. You started this posting by asking how many LGBT people there were. When I asked you why that was important, you brought up HIV/AIDS. Now you say that you believe that the government is spending more on HIV/AIDS research and treatment than it should. But that issue is one that depends, if at all, on the number of people infected with HIV, not the number of LGBT people, and that issue has nothing at all to do with the issue of how many LGBT people there are. Face it, you are pushing the notion that there aren't that many LGBT people in an attempt to marginalize our community, an attempt which will be unsuccessful, I should add.
  • TruBluT... Joanie 2012/06/11 15:46:10
    TruBluTopaz
    +2
    Actually I brought it up to demonstrate how out of proportion the demands of the GLBT community are in comparison to their numbers. Thanks for helping expose people to all the manipulative arguements of the agenda.
  • Joanie TruBluT... 2012/06/11 15:59:10
    Joanie
    +1
    Oh, but I didn't. I don't consider people seeking funding for HIV/AIDS to be the same as members of the LGBT community. And, of course, you have no data or even a url link suggesting that advocates for spending on HIV/AIDS are presenting false numbers as to the number of people infected. You are a bigot, plain and simple, seeking to marginalize our community.
  • TruBluT... Joanie 2012/06/08 21:23:50
    TruBluTopaz
    +2
    The introduction was through primarily gay sex practices. It spread further by the political pressure NOT to reveal who was HIV+ which allowed it to move into the drug using community. From there it spread through hetero sex from drug users. The bulk of current patients are still gay males. The facts are there. Cancer and heart disease still kill more people even people in those communities.
  • Rebel Uke TruBluT... 2012/06/08 16:09:07
    Rebel Uke
    +3
    causes, such as your example, have always been disproportionately allotted. Such is their nature, or did you think that we even had the resources to cover all diseases 100% all the time? The answer of course would be no, to which you would argue that other areas needed more attention, where other people would disagree. The concept of allocating funds disproportional has been around for awhile now and can be found in every single culture and nation, let alone sexual orientation. So your notion that the LGBT have misguided funding is rather dubious. Also, aids is human diseases not inclusive to the LGBT community as im sure you were already aware.
  • cmdrbnd007 2012/06/08 15:29:43
    Less than 5%
    cmdrbnd007
    +4
    I thought it was like 1%.
  • Reichstolz 2012/06/08 15:24:22
    Less than 5%
    Reichstolz
    +10
    It is a function of the squeaky wheel, just as the minorities who appear as larger groups than they are. The deviant who cry the loudest appear more representative than they will ever be.
  • Joanie Reichstolz 2012/06/08 15:51:25
    Joanie
    +2
    Like the deviant Republicans? Is that what you are talking about?
  • Reichstolz Joanie 2012/06/08 15:54:04
    Reichstolz
    +6
    While you are free to chase an ignorant line of commentary, I will not assist you. Society sets the standard we are all judged upon, if you fight to be accepted due to your deviance, instead of being an productive member of society, it is your choice.
  • Joanie Reichstolz 2012/06/08 16:10:21
    Joanie
    +2
    But you already did assist me. As far as being a productive member of society, I own my own law practice and have argued and won cases in the United States Supreme Court and the Illinois Supreme Court. But I am not a deviant like you and other Republicans who look down on their fellow citizens based on irrelevant considerations.
  • Reichstolz Joanie 2012/06/08 16:13:53
    Reichstolz
    +6
    My opinion of a person's habits is not relevant to whether or not they are deviant from societal norms. Public policy is made to represent the greatest number of the public, not gain acceptance for deviance.
  • Joanie Reichstolz 2012/06/08 16:21:04
    Joanie
    +2
    You are as phony as a three dollar bill. First you assume that I am not a "productive member of society" because I am gay. Then when you find out you are wrong about that, you pretend that you are not the bigot, but that the rest of society sets the standards for "deviance". Well, let me tell you my friend, by any normal standards, your bigotry is absolutely deviant and dysfunctional.

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