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I think SodaHead's Sexual Orientation should include Asexuals do you?

Matt 2012/04/30 11:58:34
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  • TheWhiteWolf 2012/11/12 05:29:47
    Yes!
    TheWhiteWolf
    +1
    Of course. This is why I gave no answer on my orientation. :/
  • GwEN 2012/06/27 04:37:08
    Yes!
    GwEN
    +1
    there are some other orientations that should be added as well
  • Matt GwEN 2013/01/13 04:58:00
    Matt
    +1
    like pansexual for example?
  • JohnnyRudick 2012/06/20 01:40:11
    No!
    JohnnyRudick
    A self reproducing individual?
    I know it is possible today but how many of us are financially able to pull that one off?
  • shiroid... JohnnyR... 2012/10/05 04:48:57
    shiroidenkou1994
    +1
    In terms of orientation, that's not what it means. To be asexual just means that one lacks sexual attraction.
  • JohnnyR... shiroid... 2012/10/07 01:15:57 (edited)
    JohnnyRudick
    Who added "asexual"?

    And it is an "orientation" to not be drawn to either sex.
    A non directional ""orientation""in this sick, perverted, nonsensical world.
  • shiroid... JohnnyR... 2012/10/07 02:08:50 (edited)
    shiroidenkou1994
    +1
    Dude, get real. No-one added asexuals. We've always been here.

    Nobody added the term to the list, either. That's the point of this question.
  • JohnnyR... shiroid... 2012/10/08 19:30:26 (edited)
    JohnnyRudick
    I answered that question above.
    WE were heading in a different direction here.
    My answer to the question is the definition I offered.
    And - That was my point.
    A self reproducing individual.
    This disqualifies the other so-called "Orientations" as well as they cannot "marry"to reproduce themselves as well.
    This makes them "Parasites" in the realm of human beings in propagating like creatures as themselves.
    Maybe we can add that name to the list as well?.
    "Sexual Parasites" ?
  • shiroid... JohnnyR... 2012/10/08 21:15:06 (edited)
    shiroidenkou1994
    +1
    >My answer to the question is the definition I offered.

    Which is the wrong definition. Also, definitions answer the question 'what is the meaning of this word or phrase?' They don't answer other questions.


    >This disqualifies the other so-called "Orientations" as well as they cannot "marry"to reproduce themselves as well.

    Sexual orientations aren't about 'who can I reproduce with?' They're about 'who am I sexually attracted to?'

    Think of it this way: orientation, in the most general sense, answers the question of what something is pointed towards. If I ask 'what is that thing pointed at?' You could answer by saying 'nothing in particular.' That would be a perfectly legitimate answer.

    Asexuality is 'nothing in particular.'


    > This makes them "Parasites" in the realm of human beings in propagating like creatures as themselves.

    Firstly, this sentence makes no sense grammatically.

    Secondly, the fact that someone can't or doesn't reproduce doesn't make them a parasite. Your entire worth as a person is not measured by how many kids you pop out.
  • JohnnyR... shiroid... 2012/10/09 03:10:54
    JohnnyRudick
    "This disqualifies the other so-called "Orientations" as well as they cannot "marry" to reproduce themselves as well."
    Not sure how as that is my point as well.:-/

    This should answer your other objections.
    Perhaps.:-/

    "Firstly, this sentence makes no sense grammatically.

    Secondly, the fact that someone can't or doesn't reproduce doesn't make them a parasite. Your entire worth as a person is not measured by how many kids you pop out."

    It does if you are depending on "recruiting" to replace yourselves.
    Kind of a reverse Starling.

    Fun sparing with ya though.;-)
  • shiroid... JohnnyR... 2012/10/09 04:09:04
  • JohnnyR... shiroid... 2012/10/14 22:44:56
    JohnnyRudick
    All sexuality is based on reproduction.
    "Fun" is a wonderful byproduct.

    "Your entire worth as a person is not measured by how many kids you pop out."
    Your "orientation" can kill or stop your line.

    "You haven't been sparring with anyone. You've just kind of stood there, punching the air, while I proceeded to break all of the bones in your body."
    I guess that depends on your "orientation".
  • shiroid... JohnnyR... 2012/10/14 23:10:56
  • JohnnyR... shiroid... 2012/10/15 21:00:44
  • shiroid... JohnnyR... 2012/10/15 23:38:34 (edited)
    shiroidenkou1994
    +1
    >What was I thinking ?
    It really IS all about you. Right?

    Yes! Who I do or don't have sex with is my decision. My orientation, btw, is not who I have sex with. It describes who I'm sexually attracted to. Are you suggesting that I should have sex with people I'm not attracted to, just for the sake of making babies? As if I have some ethical obligation to people who don't even exist?

    Merry Christmas to you too, dimbulb.

    As a side note, the human population on earth is over seven billion. The last thing we need is more people.
  • JohnnyR... shiroid... 2012/10/16 05:04:53
    JohnnyRudick
    "Yes! Who I do or don't have sex with is my decision. My orientation, btw, is not who I have sex with. It describes who I'm sexually attracted to."
    Which describes you very well.
    " Are you suggesting that I should have sex with people I'm not attracted to, just for the sake of making babies?"
    Of course not, but the way it works out describes you very well.

    "As a side note, the human population on earth is over seven billion. The last thing we need is more people."
    More in some places less in others, I guess.
    We have more people then we have jobs.
    The answer is not less people.
    The answer is more jobs.

    I will not call you names though.
  • shiroid... JohnnyR... 2012/10/16 05:31:22 (edited)
  • JohnnyR... shiroid... 2012/10/17 20:33:20
    JohnnyRudick
    Yup.:-)
  • shiroid... JohnnyR... 2012/10/17 20:52:47
  • JohnnyR... shiroid... 2012/10/18 04:16:21
    JohnnyRudick
    Troll?
    I no troll.

    That was my answer.
  • Andrew 2012/06/19 23:49:14
    No!
    Andrew
    +1
    Sounds pretty liberal to me. Why does sexuality even matter? I mean it's like it's becoming an ethnicity or something.
  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/06/19 22:44:25
    No!
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +1
    I don't really care.
  • Amy.[: 2012/06/19 17:49:54
    Yes!
    Amy.[:
    +1
    I guess so
  • Catnip 2012/06/19 17:20:02
    Yes!
    Catnip
    +1
    If "no go" is how you go, that's fine.
  • ETpro 2012/06/19 16:42:50
    Yes!
    ETpro
    +1
    Let's face it though. Since each subsequent wave of asexuals die out in a single generation, their total numbers remain small.
  • Willski 2012/06/19 16:38:13
    Yes!
    Willski
    +1
    would be helpful.
  • Chris- Demon of the PHAET 2012/06/19 15:59:53
    Yes!
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    +1
    Absolutely.
  • Sinister Ken Doll™ 2012/06/19 15:54:06
    Yes!
    Sinister Ken Doll™
    +1
    sure, it is a legitimate sexual orientation
  • ««zamboni»»Hellsoldier-BN0 2012/06/19 11:48:39
    Yes!
    ««zamboni»»Hellsoldier-BN0
    +1
    Yes. Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Bisexuality and Asexuality. Point made.
  • Dave The Canuck 2012/06/14 18:36:52
    Yes!
    Dave The Canuck
    +1
    If there is no 'asexual' option, what do you choose when you're signing up for sodahead in the sexual orientation category if you're asexual?
  • chrisjay 2012/05/01 18:14:06
    No!
    chrisjay
    +1
    If they did...it shouldn't be called "Asexual" ...it should be called "Narcissus".
  • shiroid... chrisjay 2012/10/05 04:50:46
    shiroidenkou1994
    +1
    You're making some pretty bold assumption about asexuals there.
  • chrisjay shiroid... 2012/10/09 14:45:24
    chrisjay
    It was a joke. I do feel however that attraction is based on perception. If you find no one attractive it is most likely caused by some sort of narcissism I feel (you don't think their is anyone good enough for you), but then again hey who cares what I think?
  • chrisjay shiroid... 2012/10/09 14:48:14
    chrisjay
    It was joke. However I am a strong believer that sexual orientation is based on perception, not genetics. If you are attracted to no one, it is most likely because you have not found anyone you feel is good enough or a good match for you. There are billions of people on the planet, one of them is bound to be a good fit for you. If you allow this sort of thinking to run your life to the point where you feel you should label yourself "asexual"...is that not almost sort of narcissistic?
  • shiroid... chrisjay 2012/10/09 15:57:03
    shiroidenkou1994
    > If you are attracted to no one, it is most likely because you have not found anyone you feel is good enough or a good match for you.

    No. If someone is a 'good match' for me, I still don't go around trying to have sex with them. I try to become friends with them. I might even want to get in a romantic relationship with someone one day. For me, being a 'good match' and feeling sexual attraction aren't even related.


    > There are billions of people on the planet, one of them is bound to be a good fit for you.

    But there's probably not a person who is sexually attractive to me.


    >If you allow this sort of thinking to run your life to the point where you feel you should label yourself "asexual"

    Rational thinking rules my life. If I'm not sexually attracted to anyone, then rationally I'm asexual. If I suddenly start experiencing sexual attraction, then I will probably start identifying as sexual.


    >is that not almost sort of narcissistic?

    No. It isn't narcissistic at all. Asexuality isn't the feeling that no one is 'good enough' for you. The fact that I'm not sexually attracted to anyone else doesn't mean that I think I'm better than them. If I were attracted to women and not men, would that mean that I thought women were better than men? No. It just means that I would be more sexually attracted to women than men.

    Is everyone who isn't sexually attractive to you 'inferior' in your mind?
  • chrisjay shiroid... 2012/10/10 15:45:54
    chrisjay
    Well sure that is what the average person would do however like I said, I personally believe that sexual orientation is based on perception. There have been a number of studies conducted that show that attraction is greatly influenced by perception. People were asked to look at two people and rate them based on their appearance. Then they would tell the test subjects information about the candidate such as their height, their job, and other things that may or may not raise the rating of the person they had the test subjects looking at. In almost all cases the people kept changing their rating of the people they were looking once they received information. Attraction is based on perception, not genetics.

    >But there's probably not a person who is sexually attractive to me.

    This just proves what I am saying. You are drawing this conclusion based on how you perceive the human race, not based on how a person looks. You cannot not say no one attractive to you if you have not seen every face there is to see. The only way you could say this is if you mentally choose to block yourself off from anyone as being attractive. Why a person would do this varies from experience to experience.

    >Is everyone who isn't sexually attractive to you 'inferior' in your mind?

    It would depend on what my percep...
    Well sure that is what the average person would do however like I said, I personally believe that sexual orientation is based on perception. There have been a number of studies conducted that show that attraction is greatly influenced by perception. People were asked to look at two people and rate them based on their appearance. Then they would tell the test subjects information about the candidate such as their height, their job, and other things that may or may not raise the rating of the person they had the test subjects looking at. In almost all cases the people kept changing their rating of the people they were looking once they received information. Attraction is based on perception, not genetics.

    >But there's probably not a person who is sexually attractive to me.

    This just proves what I am saying. You are drawing this conclusion based on how you perceive the human race, not based on how a person looks. You cannot not say no one attractive to you if you have not seen every face there is to see. The only way you could say this is if you mentally choose to block yourself off from anyone as being attractive. Why a person would do this varies from experience to experience.

    >Is everyone who isn't sexually attractive to you 'inferior' in your mind?

    It would depend on what my perception is of what I don’t find attractive. Creatures are programmed to look for certain things in a mate so that they can be passed on to their offspring. If a person is lacking a desirable trait, you will pass them because they are not suitable for mating. Humans have the ability to reason on a higher level than other animals so we tend to let factors that are completely unrelated to mating determine whether or not they are a “good match” for us. For example if an attractive man or woman possesses a trait that is a dealbreaker, your attraction to them while slowly disappear. This is why marriages fail. It is because as you live with someone you learn more about them and perceive them differently and therefore lose your attraction to them.
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  • shiroid... chrisjay 2012/10/10 17:24:13
    shiroidenkou1994
    >This just proves what I am saying. You are drawing this conclusion based on how you perceive the human race, not based on how a person looks.

    Not at all. I am making a tentative judgement based on years of experience. This conclusion is subject to revision at any time. This is how things are done by rational thinkers.


    > The only way you could say this is if you mentally choose to block yourself off from anyone as being attractive.

    No. Wrong. I haven't blocked out the possibility that I might someday be attracted to someone. You failed to read the part of my quote where I said:

    ' If I suddenly start experiencing sexual attraction, then I will probably start identifying as sexual.'


    >Why a person would do this varies from experience to experience.

    My sexual orientation isn't something I 'chose'. Did you choose who you 're sexually attracted to?


    As an additional note, what you are saying is true in a limited sense, but I don't think that effect could be strong enough to make me unattracted to everyone. I know for a fact that it's nothing to do with asexuality in my case.
  • chrisjay shiroid... 2012/10/10 17:55:54
    chrisjay
    >This conclusion is subject to revision at any time. This is how things are done by rational thinkers.

    I guess it would depend on what you deem rational.

    >I haven't blocked out the possibility that I might someday be attracted to someone. You failed to read the part of my quote where I said: If I suddenly start experiencing sexual attraction, then I will probably start identifying as sexual.'

    Actually I didn’t miss it. The human mind is an amazing thing, every choice you make is not always visible to your conscious mind. You don’t consciously tell yourself to breathe or your heart to beat, your brain does it subconsciously on it’s own. Is it impossible that you would make a choice subconsciously? If that were the case, would repressed memories be real?

    >My sexual orientation isn't something I 'chose'. Did you choose who you're sexually attracted to?

    Yes, your sexual orientation is a choice and this is what so many people don’t realize. Is it conscious choice? For the average person, No but it does not mean that it isn’t a choice. I do choose who I am sexually attracted to.

    For example, there is a guy that I see every day that I have been around for the past 4 years. In the beginning I thought he was a good looking guy however I was not attracted to him. (I am sure it is the same with ...



































    >

    >This conclusion is subject to revision at any time. This is how things are done by rational thinkers.

    I guess it would depend on what you deem rational.

    >I haven't blocked out the possibility that I might someday be attracted to someone. You failed to read the part of my quote where I said: If I suddenly start experiencing sexual attraction, then I will probably start identifying as sexual.'

    Actually I didn’t miss it. The human mind is an amazing thing, every choice you make is not always visible to your conscious mind. You don’t consciously tell yourself to breathe or your heart to beat, your brain does it subconsciously on it’s own. Is it impossible that you would make a choice subconsciously? If that were the case, would repressed memories be real?

    >My sexual orientation isn't something I 'chose'. Did you choose who you're sexually attracted to?

    Yes, your sexual orientation is a choice and this is what so many people don’t realize. Is it conscious choice? For the average person, No but it does not mean that it isn’t a choice. I do choose who I am sexually attracted to.

    For example, there is a guy that I see every day that I have been around for the past 4 years. In the beginning I thought he was a good looking guy however I was not attracted to him. (I am sure it is the same with asexual people. You meet people who are attractive to the eye however you don’t envision yourself being in a sexual relationship with them and therefore one could say you are not attracted to them). Last year I was in a situation where I was required to be around this guy for more extensive periods of time. Because of this I noticed more things about him that I hadn’t before. I began to envision how life would be if he and I were in a relationship with each other and I liked what it looked like and therefore my sexual attraction to him increased to the point where I would totally sleep with him if we were in a committed relationship. Did my genetics change? No (I am pretty sure genetic change that extensive does not happen in 30 minutes). My perception of him changed to things that were more positive.

    Thoughts About Him Before

    Guy

    My age

    Smart

    Unattainable

    Thoughts About Him Now

    Sweet

    Hysterical

    Polite

    Respectful

    Soft Spoken (I love soft spoken guys)

    Nice Hair

    Nice Smile

    Smart

    Hardworking

    Possibly Attainable

    Drastic change in my perception of him. I think this is enough to develop sexual attraction.

    >As an additional note, what you are saying is true in a limited sense, but I don't think that effect could be strong enough to make me unattracted to everyone. I know for a fact that it's nothing to do with asexuality in my case.

    Perhaps it is limited but if it is then, you wouldn’t mind trying a little experiment would you? Worse case scenario you will end up in the same situation you are now.
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  • shiroid... chrisjay 2012/10/10 18:42:53
    shiroidenkou1994
    >I guess it would depend on what you deem rational.

    So do you think it's rational to make conclusions that can never be questioned or revised, no matter what? Because that's pretty much the only alternative.


    >Is it conscious choice? For the average person, No.

    In what sense can we say that something is a 'choice' if it's not conscious and I'm not even consciously aware of having made it? It seems to me that's the exact opposite of what a choice is.


    >Drastic change in my perception of him.

    Which isn't a choice. Your perception changed, but you didn't just say to yourself 'I'm going to think of him in a drastically different way from now on.' It just happened. You are making my point for me. Also, even if I thought of someone in the same way you describe thinking of him, I probably still wouldn't be sexually attracted to him.


    >you wouldn’t mind trying a little experiment would you?

    What kind of experiment are you talking about? Having sex with someone? Because I would not be open to that type of experiment. Why would I have sex with someone I didn't find attractive? Did you have to have sex with people from different categories in order to figure out whether you were or weren't sexually attracted to them? No. That's not how attraction works.
  • chrisjay shiroid... 2012/10/10 21:13:19
    chrisjay
    >So do you think it's rational to make conclusions that can never be questioned or revised, no matter what? Because that's pretty much the only alternative.

    I just feel there is no reason to label yourself because there is no such thing as a perfect label. Labels do nothing but cause confusion and dumb down the situations at hand.

    >In what sense can we say that something is a 'choice' if it's not conscious and I'm not even consciously aware of having made it? It seems to me that's the exact opposite of what a choice is.

    A choice is something where there is more than one possible outcome and you can determine it should you choose to. We think we control our brains but for the most part our brains control us. Our brains control the information that we retain and what happens inside of our bodies, the only way we can prevent it from doing something is if we make a conscious effort to stop it or else it will keep on doing what it feels is best.

    Ex. our brain only retains certain information to prevent itself from going into overload and if you don't purposefully choose to remember something, you will forget it because your brain will not flag it. But if you say "I need to remember this" and you do everything you can to remember it, you will.

    >Which isn't a choice. Your perception change...



    >

    >So do you think it's rational to make conclusions that can never be questioned or revised, no matter what? Because that's pretty much the only alternative.

    I just feel there is no reason to label yourself because there is no such thing as a perfect label. Labels do nothing but cause confusion and dumb down the situations at hand.

    >In what sense can we say that something is a 'choice' if it's not conscious and I'm not even consciously aware of having made it? It seems to me that's the exact opposite of what a choice is.

    A choice is something where there is more than one possible outcome and you can determine it should you choose to. We think we control our brains but for the most part our brains control us. Our brains control the information that we retain and what happens inside of our bodies, the only way we can prevent it from doing something is if we make a conscious effort to stop it or else it will keep on doing what it feels is best.

    Ex. our brain only retains certain information to prevent itself from going into overload and if you don't purposefully choose to remember something, you will forget it because your brain will not flag it. But if you say "I need to remember this" and you do everything you can to remember it, you will.

    >Which isn't a choice. Your perception changed, but you didn't just say to yourself 'I'm going to think of him in a drastically different way from now on.' It just happened. You are making my point for me. Also, even if I thought of someone in the same way you describe thinking of him, I probably still wouldn't be sexually attracted to him.

    The main point that I am making out is that perception affects attraction. The only thing that changed in the situation was my perception. You are not hardwired to be asexual as some would assume, you just probably have not made a conscious effort to form a connection.

    >What kind of experiment are you talking about? Having sex with someone? Because I would not be open to that type of experiment. Why would I have sex with someone I didn't find attractive? Did you have to have sex with people from different categories in order to figure out whether you were or weren't sexually attracted to them? No. That's not how attraction works.

    Lol no that was not what I was going to say. xD I was just going to ask whether you would mind answering a few questions.
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