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I said ATHEISM, not Satanism! Do you have anything against non-religious people?

Michelle 2012/06/03 04:06:45
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Atheism: The belief that no God exists.
Agnosticism: The belief that God's non-existence cannot be proved any more than his existence can be proved.

I'm an agnostic, personally, but not because "What if God does exist? Shouldn't I remain agnostic just in case?" but because I legitimately believe that it's not impossible for a deity to exist, but if it is, it's probably not any one humans worship. So why bother trying to please the maybe-existing God?

Lately, I've been running into a lot of religious poop. I don't know why; maybe I'm just unlucky. But I've noticed that most people who think they're better than the non-religious tend to make the same arguments.

"You're part of Satan's team if you're atheistic!"
Yes, I have actually heard this. And I've heard it implied by many, many others. But what kind of thoughts are those? An atheist cannot work for Satan if they DON'T BELIEVE IN SATAN ANYMORE THAN THEY BELIEVE IN GOD. Yes, some are annoying when they try to reason with religious people without prompting, but just because I don't believe in God, doesn't mean I'm a bad person, right? With this (or before this) always comes:

"Atheists have no morals!"
Because, of course, only religious texts can give people morals. People cannot just be good because they are. Can I respond with the tale of the Good Samaritan? (Yes, I have read your Bible, imagine that!) First, a Priest walks by and ignores the dying man on the road. He was too occupied worshiping his God to actually do good. But someone does-- someone who is not really part of what was the "right religion".
And atheists do good without a more selfish purpose. Not to generalize, but at the end of the day, a Christian doing good is doing it for their God. ("It was never between you and them anyways"). An atheist does good to help the people who are here, without that ulterior motive.

"You're going to go to hell!"
Threatening people with a hell they do not believe in is always the best way to go, after all.

I said ATHEISM, not SATANISM. People need to stop acting like not believing is a terrible crime. What's wrong with not believing? In fact, I'm going to argue that even if God does exist, being an atheist still is not wrong.

Someone "wise" once said, "It's better to believe and be wrong than to not believe and be wrong." But once cannot just force themselves to believe. You can't say, "Well, I'll believe so I don't go to hell in case God does exist", but that's not faith. If God requires unconditional faith, then this argument is just silly. You still won't believe, even though you pretend you do. And, at the end of it, you'll have devoted your life to a lie to yourself, and an omniscient God will know this, and if atheists are automatically sent to hell for not believing, you're doomed anyways. Why not let yourself live according to what you actually believe?

If God is so arrogant that he will reward anyone who believes in him (and seriously confesses and feels bad for their sins) and condemn people to ETERNAL SUFFERING because they don't WORSHIP HIM, then what kind of God is he? Not an all-loving one, I propose. Furthermore, most of the other religions in the world are going to hell as well. I'd rather suffer with them, thank you very much, then spend an eternity with a God who is all about himself. If your God cannot accept a person who tries to be good, to do good, and live according to morals not dissimilar to that which he promotes, but doesn't worship him and devote their lives to him... then your God is not worth believing in. If you truly have an all-loving God, he will not send atheists (or people of other religions) to suffer forever when they are good people despite their lack of faith.

So, why, exactly, is atheism such an immoral thing? The only sin I commit more than you probably do is sinning by not believing, and even though I don't go to confession and apologize to God for my sins, I apologize to those I committed the wrong against and genuinely feel bad because it was a bad thing, not because if I don't I'll go to hell.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think all Christians think themselves so high-and-mighty. I interact with normal Christians on a daily basis.

But, one must remember, with or without religion, good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things, but it takes religion to make good people do bad things.

Atheists can look at the world and think, "Wow, this is so beautiful. I'm so lucky to be alive in this vast, beautiful universe," without thinking the universe was created for them. They can look at their children and think, "I created that. Without me, this beautiful person could not exist" without thinking that their child exists because God destined them to, and nobody had a choice in the matter. And their love is between two people, not two people and their imaginary friend. It doesn't take God to appreciate the world, and I pity the people who are not truly seeing the beauty of living because their God is in the way.
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  • ~HopelessRomanticM17~ 2012/07/24 04:49:08
    No, they have the right to deny God in peace just as I have the right to beli...
    ~HopelessRomanticM17~
    +5
    I'm a Christian, but I'm not one of those people that tries to force it on other people.

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  • Dale 2013/04/19 04:30:06
    No, they have the right to deny God in peace just as I have the right to beli...
    Dale
    Everyone has a choice to believe and follow God or not have any belief in Him.
  • Fanghur 2013/01/26 15:25:16
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    Fanghur
    Your definition of atheism is inaccurate. Atheism is the lack of belief in the existence of god or gods, not the belief that there are no gods. People who believe that there are no gods are by definition atheists, but that is not the sum total of all atheists.
  • Mandy 2012/09/28 16:00:44
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    Mandy
    Actually, not all atheists affirm that no gods exist. Many simply lack the belief that any do. It's an important distinction.
  • bcarrera 2012/08/01 05:30:47
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    bcarrera
    All the ones that chose yes are weak minded people. If religion didn't exist then the world would be from 1000-5000 years more advanced than we are now. Science gave us Apollo 11, but religion gave us 9/11. You cannot prove anything with religion. An adult sounds and looks stupid with an imaginary friend. Anyone who just tries to argue with me is just wasting their time doing it; because I don't really care of what people say.
  • katie 2012/07/25 22:00:24
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    katie
    +1
    I'd be stupid if I said I did, I'm Athiest.
  • S123 2012/07/25 19:19:25
    No, they have the right to deny God in peace just as I have the right to beli...
    S123
    I'm an agnostic theist. In my case, that means I have a vague feeling that there is probably some kind of higher power. I consider myself Jewish because my parents are Jewish, I have a connection with Jewish culture, and I enjoy celebrating Jewish holidays. I am interested in becoming more religious but I never want to let it control me. I think that overall religion can have positive and negative aspects.

    You said that "with or without religion, good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things, but it takes religion to make good people do bad things."
    I think it's more complicated than that, people can be influenced by other things too, like groups that aren't connected with religion. I do think that it's important to keep in mind that religion can influence good people to do evil things. One thing in my own religion that I think is wrong is circumcision (my parents agree with me about that). I definitely think that there is value in atheism; I just recently started thinking about the issue of circumcision when I kept seeing posts about it in the atheist section of the website Reddit (I also read about the issue in a question on Sodahead but I think it was the repetition that got me to accept that circumcision is wrong).
  • Michelle S123 2012/07/25 22:07:56
    Michelle
    I do agree that there's outside circumstances. I'll say right now that "With or without religion, good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things, but it takes religion to make good people do bad things" is a quote that I've seen attributed on the internet to too many different people for me to feel comfortable about picking one to cite. I probably should of indicated, but until you mentioned it I forgot that I forgot to go back and fix it before posting. :P
  • S123 Michelle 2012/07/26 16:40:39
    S123
    +1
    I think the truth in that quote is that religion affects people in unique ways that can be positive or negative; it can help people in unique ways but it can also have unique dangers and the dangerous aspects can lead people to do horrific things.
  • Simba98 2012/07/25 16:15:13
    No, they have the right to deny God in peace just as I have the right to beli...
    Simba98
    Hakuna Matata

    hakuna matata
  • zeldamaster17 2012/07/25 09:58:33
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    zeldamaster17
    Obviously not.
  • Melizmatic 2012/07/24 18:48:48
    No, they have the right to deny God in peace just as I have the right to beli...
    Melizmatic
    Free will means everyone gets to believe (or disbelieve) whatever they want.

    My world doesn't revolve around an innate need for everyone to agree with me.
  • Charles E 2012/07/24 15:12:39
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    Charles E
    I have a religion but rarely observe it so have no right to demand others observe my or any religion.
  • Heat Her 2012/07/24 14:10:44
    No, they have the right to deny God in peace just as I have the right to beli...
    Heat Her
    I've actually been studying ancient religions lately. The oldest found religious statue was a Goddess way before women were labeled as the evil ones. I don't know if there's actually someone in charge of the other side, but I see the other side with my own three eyes so I can't doubt it's existence for myself. But to each her own.
  • kotabear 2012/07/24 12:40:42
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    kotabear
    I think I'm more agnostic than anything. There is a godly force within the universe, but I don't qualify it exactly how the Bible makes it out to be.

    BTW: "Well, I'll believe so I don't go to hell in case God does exist," is what I thought when I went to an elementary Christian school. You're exactly right! That's not faith! So it's hard for me to chose a religion, because I'll realize the point of it, and just try to cover my ass from eternal suffering, but not want to worship a being that is a universal energy. Can't I just be cognizant of its existence but not go through all the technicalities of gaining entrance to "heaven?" I thought you're saved when you note Jesus as your savior, not when I only follow guidelines of the Bible and also be so blind to the needs of modern society, i.e. gay marriage. I say that some of those guidelines apply to society at that time- they needed to populate, thus gay marriage was bad. Now, we need to stop making babies. Plus, I am not for one to go to church and sing for a being that is simply a universal energy and exists among all of us. It's just how it is. Does anyone understand me?
    - sorry if my rant jumped all over the place lol
  • The River Rat 2012/07/24 11:54:36 (edited)
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    The River Rat
    I am agnostic. I neither confirm nor deny the existance of God. I just don't happen to believe myself. That is not good enough for some people! : /
  • SilveryRow 2012/07/24 11:49:53
    No, they have the right to deny God in peace just as I have the right to beli...
    SilveryRow
    +2
    I have heard of fellow pagans being accused of worshipping Satan, which just shows their level of ignorance as we don't believe in that construct. Closed minds make for closed hearts.
  • !TARD~MUFFIN! 2012/07/24 10:28:39
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    !TARD~MUFFIN!
    +1
    Nope that is just their choice. :)
  • Katherine 2012/07/24 09:58:05
    Yes! Non-believers must be converted before they end the world!
    Katherine
    I picked this because I couldn't stand the other two options.

    I would love to just create one of these self written posts about how I've been told about two dozen or so times, directly or indirectly, how the world would be a better place if "religious" people, meaning creationists, were dead.

    It's ironic that people don't want me to meddle and try to impose my sense of morality on others, yet I see in the news every day where Christians are banned from preaching from sidewalks, from wearing crosses, the right not to participate in something that goes against their religious beliefs, being denied the right to speak in private in some places, fines for Bible get-togethers with friends, banned from funerals at military cemeteries, putting religious ads in papers, forced tolerance and "learning" about things that goes against religious tenets, Christian speech targeted as hate speech, denied some equal opportunities, no rights to private ownership, apparently throwing cement and other objects at Christians is not hate crime and will in fact be defended by police.

    And then this great little society demands redistribution of wealth for "the common good." So I'm suppose to care about you, or not care about you, depending when you snap at me and tell me to. And when I'm given pe...

    I picked this because I couldn't stand the other two options.

    I would love to just create one of these self written posts about how I've been told about two dozen or so times, directly or indirectly, how the world would be a better place if "religious" people, meaning creationists, were dead.

    It's ironic that people don't want me to meddle and try to impose my sense of morality on others, yet I see in the news every day where Christians are banned from preaching from sidewalks, from wearing crosses, the right not to participate in something that goes against their religious beliefs, being denied the right to speak in private in some places, fines for Bible get-togethers with friends, banned from funerals at military cemeteries, putting religious ads in papers, forced tolerance and "learning" about things that goes against religious tenets, Christian speech targeted as hate speech, denied some equal opportunities, no rights to private ownership, apparently throwing cement and other objects at Christians is not hate crime and will in fact be defended by police.

    And then this great little society demands redistribution of wealth for "the common good." So I'm suppose to care about you, or not care about you, depending when you snap at me and tell me to. And when I'm given permission to take an interest in your life and try to help, it's generally in the form of being told I'm selfish or greedy, or a bigot (in the process of giving up one of my Amendment rights). I'll just have to wait for the crack of the whip to know when I'm suppose to care and be the good humanitarian, then f**k off and mind my own business.

    If it's an consolation, you'll have many friends out there willing to defend you, patting you on the back and saying "wish they'd go away." Sorry if I might have bothered you. Take care.
    (more)
  • Michelle Katherine 2012/07/24 17:23:44
    Michelle
    I have nothing against people practicing or expressing their religion in peace. As I said, I know many religious people. I have quite a few religious friends. The problem I was ranting about in this post was those who try to convert any atheists/agnostics they come across.
  • Chaya2010 2012/07/24 08:32:24
    No, they have the right to deny God in peace just as I have the right to beli...
    Chaya2010
    +2
    From my experience both atheism and agnosticism are misunderstood. I have no real problem with people of faith if their faith doesn't infringe upon me and I'm sure its the same for people with faith.
  • Seiryuu 2012/07/24 06:19:41
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    Seiryuu
    so much win

    Have my babies.
  • Tom 2012/07/24 05:53:53
    No, they have the right to deny God in peace just as I have the right to beli...
    Tom
    +2
    No. Everyone has a right to believe what they want. And just because you're an atheist does not mean you worship Satan lmao
  • ANGEL of DEATH 2012/07/24 05:42:05
  • missfit 2012/07/24 05:02:35
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    missfit
    +1
    I wouldn't hold anyone's religious beliefs against them, and have friends of faith. But I have run into a lot of people that don't respect my right not to believe. Even being an agnostic is considered by so many as being a person of low moral standards and doomed to hell. So many people in this country consider you not really American if you are not a Christian.
  • john busa 2012/07/24 04:54:37
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    john busa
    +1
    I'm thinking about taking up Asatru myself. I kinda like the idea of practicing the religion of my ancestors. Their gods dont really want a groveling worshipper. They just expect you to live with honor and dignity. If you fook up in this life, you better atone for it before you croak off. I understand the political and monetary reasons that caused Christianity to spread and take over the way that it did, but I'm not convinced in this day and age that I need to worship a middle eastern god.
  • ~[Rachel Mariee]~ 2012/07/24 04:50:32
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    ~[Rachel Mariee]~
    +1
    Not at all
  • Sean McDonald 2012/07/24 04:50:00 (edited)
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    Sean McDonald
    +2
    I am an Atheist I have nothing against religious people I respect them if they respect me
  • DFA 2012/07/24 04:49:11
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    DFA
    +3
    Great post. I feel like you are in my brain!
  • ~HopelessRomanticM17~ 2012/07/24 04:49:08
    No, they have the right to deny God in peace just as I have the right to beli...
    ~HopelessRomanticM17~
    +5
    I'm a Christian, but I'm not one of those people that tries to force it on other people.
  • Jack's Pearl 2012/07/24 04:47:09
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    Jack's Pearl
    +2
    I don't care what someone else says, I am an atheist because I simply don't believe in any religion. But I have values and good morals. I am a really great person and far from some sort of evil cretin. Not believing in any God does not = Satanism. Not at all.
  • laydeelapis 2012/07/24 04:44:14
    I'm not religious, so of course I don't.
    laydeelapis
    +1
    Okay, I'll be honest, that was a lot of writing and I didn't read the whole thing but regarding the first 4 paragraphs and random skimming I did, I agree. I'm agnostic and for the same reasons and it sucks that we get a lot hate. Really though, most people don't even know the different levels of "non-belief" lol, they just assume you're atheist and that's it.
    Here's a fun story: One time I expressed some interest in Wicca (I never said I was Wiccan or wanted to be in any way, I just said it sounded like an interesting belief system and I thought it was cool!) in front of my friends uber-Christian fundementalist dad and now he won't let her hang out with me because I'm a "devil worshipper". She has to lie to him to hang out with me! How does this even work?! If you don't believe in any god, yo
    u don't believe in any devil!

    Okay so now I did actually read the whole thing and yeah, I agree with you 100%
  • blah 2012/07/24 04:40:39
    No, they have the right to deny God in peace just as I have the right to beli...
    blah
    no im a christian my best friends an athiest, another close friend agnostic, and one of my favorite ppl to read oppinions of on this web sight is satanist. we all hav the right to believe what makes sence to us.
  • xxemogirlxx 2012/07/24 04:40:25
    No, they have the right to deny God in peace just as I have the right to beli...
    xxemogirlxx
    i think tht atheist are ok i mean nothings wrong wit them itz just the way they r
  • king david 2012/07/24 04:39:51
    Yes! Non-believers must be converted before they end the world!
    king david
    i actualy disagree with all of the options
    i only hate it when they are not willing to try and see it from our perspective
  • Say_wut... king david 2012/07/24 04:44:08
    Say_wut_o_O
    +1
    But you won't try to see it from OUR perspective...and just curious, what is your perspective?
  • king david Say_wut... 2012/07/24 04:45:24
    king david
    i'm christian and i have seen your perspective i was once a athiest then a evolutionist now i'm christian
  • Say_wut... king david 2012/07/24 04:55:07
    Say_wut_o_O
    +1
    So just because you have seen it from our perspective does that mean every Christian has? Probably 85% of all Atheist were once religious...they have definitely seen it from your perspective.
  • Michelle Say_wut... 2012/07/24 05:04:43
    Michelle
    +1
    Agreed. I have 14 years worth of Catholic education under my belt: I know more about Christian beliefs than some Christians I've met. :P
  • Say_wut... Michelle 2012/07/24 05:25:17
    Say_wut_o_O
    Haha exactly :)
  • Jackal Michelle 2012/07/24 05:38:38
    Jackal
    +2
    Same here... Usually when I quote a bible and tell them what they are saying they would say, " You are Atheist! You have no clue what you are talking about."

    I usually say, " My belief does not effect my reading comprehension..."

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