How Do Atheist Beleive There Is No God?
DeathByMurder
2012/03/17 18:34:45
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I mean seriously i do not get it, can someone plese explain it to me? I don't see how you think there is no god, how would the whole world be put together as it is?
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BattleBattlerBenji (PHAET) 2012/03/17 18:40:21I Do Not Believe There Is A God... (Why?)
+13If you don't get it, I can't see how explaining will work. I don't get how Christians can believe in a god when he has shown no concrete evidence that he exists, but accept that thats what they believe in and, so long as they don't push it on me, thats cool by me.
Why do the religious believe in gods?
I see no proof whatsoever of some high holy being.
I also completely disagree with some of the things said in the bible.
As well as the hate some Christians in particular have spewed at me.
Something I'd like to remind those Christians of is this: It IS a SIN to judge others. (Apparently) only "god" is allowed to judge. So don't do it.
I find religion to be stupid.. Just in general.
Especially religions that practise things that do not coincide with the way things are today.
Like racism, sexism (women are below men, blah, blah, blah), homophobia, etc.
Times are changing and religions need to either change with it or die off.
I might believe your god is man-made but that's something different.
As for the fact you are unable to comprehend other lines of thinking, it's no different that you not believing in Zeus or Thor.
Think really hard about the way YOU feel about the Roman god, Zues.
It's like that.
The idea that the source of Creation bears any resemblance to the God of Abraham seems utterly ludicrous from any commonsense perspective.
Evidence is the only reason I do not believe in a God. Show me evidence, and I would become a theist in a nanosecond.
If you want to see what Atheist societies are look at Burma [Myanmar], Cambodia, North Korea, the former Soviet Union, and Revolutionary France. Their genocides, human rights violations, and general immorality speaks volumes about their lack of values and beliefs.
Those who seek dictatorial power, whether atheist or believer, tend to be pretty evil. This doesn't say anything about atheism or religion, it says something about megalomaniacs. Plenty of atrocities have been committed by adherents of religion.
-I know many Athiests to my own misfortune. I know at least 37 Athiests (not counting Agnostics as they are very different) that I can easily recall; much more than that if I were to recount all of my experiences.
"In my experience, atheists tend to be more scrupulously ethical than most believers."
-That's the biggest misconception I've yet heard. I've yet to meet 1 single ethical Athiest; I want to figure out how you managed to get a bias strong enough to blind you from common knowledge, history, and logic.
"Plenty of atrocities have been committed by adherents of religion."
-Unfortunately. However, the vast majority of genocides and murders have been commited by Athiests in the last 112 years.
Myanmar (Burma) Genocide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The Great Purge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The Cambodian Genocide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
-Even secular studies have disproven your claim. There was a direct correlation between religious belief and morality; considering secular universities make this observation, you have no professional or educated supports to this nonsense.
"I am not selfish"
-Since I don't know you, I can make no speculation. How many people actually would admit to being selfish during an argument anyway?
"I am kind and have more integrity then most of my christian neighbors."
-Again there is no way to speculate. However, I am reasonably skeptical of this unsupported claim based on your ignorance about Christianity.
"If anything christians seem to think they will be forgiven for their immoral ways, so it is a ticket to be immoral and not have compassion for their neighbor."
-So you're trying to argue that not believing in good or evil compounded with no real consequences for immorality persuades Atheists to be good people for absolutely no reason more than Christians who believe that evil is punished with eternal damnation and good is rewarded with eternal salvation? Your argument is one of the most ridiculous I've ever heard!
Also, you should do your research rather than stating your own misinterpretations of religion, Christians only believe t...
-Even secular studies have disproven your claim. There was a direct correlation between religious belief and morality; considering secular universities make this observation, you have no professional or educated supports to this nonsense.
"I am not selfish"
-Since I don't know you, I can make no speculation. How many people actually would admit to being selfish during an argument anyway?
"I am kind and have more integrity then most of my christian neighbors."
-Again there is no way to speculate. However, I am reasonably skeptical of this unsupported claim based on your ignorance about Christianity.
"If anything christians seem to think they will be forgiven for their immoral ways, so it is a ticket to be immoral and not have compassion for their neighbor."
-So you're trying to argue that not believing in good or evil compounded with no real consequences for immorality persuades Atheists to be good people for absolutely no reason more than Christians who believe that evil is punished with eternal damnation and good is rewarded with eternal salvation? Your argument is one of the most ridiculous I've ever heard!
Also, you should do your research rather than stating your own misinterpretations of religion, Christians only believe they'll be forgiven if they repent and never take that action again. If anyone is lying, it would be you; if you know so little of Christianity, I don't believe all of your neighbors are Christians.
There is the consideration that your morality likely is different than mine however. This might be the catalyst in your support for this nonfactual accusation; what possible current religious immorality are you trying to compare to Atheist genocide, selfishness, cruelty, deceit, and disorder?
My statements about religion and Atheism are supported by modern history however. I have strong supports, not just my assumed honesty; that's all your offering for such a ridiculous claim. Unless you can provide real examples from modern history, the logical response is to realize that your statement is only ideological misinformation (which I believe it is).
Secondly, is the total lack of conscience of the priest and ministers when they spew their false dogma, doctrines and beliefs in public as they do.
Third, their association with the political world, which is a blatant violation of what is SUPPOSED to be followed by any real religion. A trueism being "one cannot serve two masters, they will either love the one or hate the other"
Fourth, No person in their right mind would even consider the creation model expoused by most of the religions of the world.
Fifth is the total ignorance that the religions of Christendom expouse on what they call the Trinity which is a totally false doctrine and belief.
No other explanation for life, and the universe we live in.
There is no science without God! No universe, no nothing!
Obviously, atheists have interpreted many of their own experiences to believe just the opposite.
Ultimately we are only able to act based upon our own experiences and judgments. You hear about those people who don't find God until after they almost die and stuff, right?
Also, some atheists chose atheism as a rebellion against organized religions that they view as oppressive to women, homosexuals, and allow for slavery (the Judeo-Christian religions are all guilty of this). Rather than not believing in God because they just deem it impossible, they don't believe in God because they don't want to believe that there is a higher power that would allow for such things and reject the possibility of existence for that reason.
Then, there are the science types who somehow believe that their scientific knowledge disproves the existence of a god; completely failing to recognize that science is a study of the physical world and gods are non-physical entities.
God is a hypothesis of how this world came into existence. Hundreds and thousand years ago, people wondered why there is a thunder, rain, stars, why we get sick and why we die. So they took an obvious example: just like parents provide for their children and have made them, they imagined there is a being that made them and is providing for them. They thought he probably lived on the mountain (think Olympus or Moses), and communicated his wishes through rain, thunder, sickness and sun. Some clever guy realized that if he told others that he is channelizing god's wishes, he can make them do all sorts of things: sleep with their wives and daughters, discriminate against or even kill those that disagree, live in luxury without work and prescribe the law for the rest of the schmucks without the need to follow that same law. So, that is how religion started and how it works today.
Now, the science has brought all the answers we need to discard that hypothesis. We know why there is a rain, a thunder, we know that starts are not leaky floor of the heaven (as Plato imagined), we know how the universe came into existence and how this earth became what it is (except Bill O'Reilly who doesn't know why ther...
God is a hypothesis of how this world came into existence. Hundreds and thousand years ago, people wondered why there is a thunder, rain, stars, why we get sick and why we die. So they took an obvious example: just like parents provide for their children and have made them, they imagined there is a being that made them and is providing for them. They thought he probably lived on the mountain (think Olympus or Moses), and communicated his wishes through rain, thunder, sickness and sun. Some clever guy realized that if he told others that he is channelizing god's wishes, he can make them do all sorts of things: sleep with their wives and daughters, discriminate against or even kill those that disagree, live in luxury without work and prescribe the law for the rest of the schmucks without the need to follow that same law. So, that is how religion started and how it works today.
Now, the science has brought all the answers we need to discard that hypothesis. We know why there is a rain, a thunder, we know that starts are not leaky floor of the heaven (as Plato imagined), we know how the universe came into existence and how this earth became what it is (except Bill O'Reilly who doesn't know why there is a tide).
We have sufficient knowledge to understand that god is not necessary for any of the processes that led to life as we know it. We can even create new life in the laboratory or mix genes of completely different animals with such an ease that it can be done as a school project. There are 4 fundamental forces in the universe that can explain everything (gravity, electro-magnetism, weak and strong nuclear forces) and math to prove it. And that is that. 1+1=2. Not 1+1+god=2. We have come a long way from being fascinated by a burning bush or talking snakes. Well, most of us.
Everything we know, we know thanks to science. People have good and prosperous lives thanks to science. Food we eat, cars we drive, medication we take... all science. Although religions like to take credit for curing people, that is just intellectual theft and we all know it. When you are sick - which do you choose: medication or prayer? Suppose you could choose only one of the two: which would you take?
So, there you go.
I'm not going to argue or say what I think athiests think. I believe in a G_d, but sometimes I actually think the Bible is just full of lies. I'm more post-modern - I think science does have the answers but until it's disproved, I believe there'sa G_d.
This is just like my interest in mythical creatures: my mind tends to tell me that until it's disproved, fairies and unicorns exist. I might just be crazy though...
If you start with a belief in God, it's easy to dismiss all other possibilities. I know, because I started out as a believer. But when you remove personal feelings, and look objectively, for me, it's very obvious that disbelief is more rational than belief.
To answer your question about how the world is put together, I'm going to make some assumptions about YOUR position, based only on the question. If these assumptions are inaccurate, please correct me, and I will respond accordingly.
I'm guessing you believe that because of the complexity of our planet, and how perfect it is for supporting life and specifically human life, you believe that it could only be this way, by design of some perfect intelligent being. Likewise, you probably believe that the human body is too perfect and too complex to have become as it is by chance.
Let me first dispel the idea of perfection. Human babies are born with deformities and disease. The earth has earthquakes, hurricanes and volcanoes, making it a volitile planet for life to survive. If a perfect being had intended for his creation to be perfect, and h...
If you start with a belief in God, it's easy to dismiss all other possibilities. I know, because I started out as a believer. But when you remove personal feelings, and look objectively, for me, it's very obvious that disbelief is more rational than belief.
To answer your question about how the world is put together, I'm going to make some assumptions about YOUR position, based only on the question. If these assumptions are inaccurate, please correct me, and I will respond accordingly.
I'm guessing you believe that because of the complexity of our planet, and how perfect it is for supporting life and specifically human life, you believe that it could only be this way, by design of some perfect intelligent being. Likewise, you probably believe that the human body is too perfect and too complex to have become as it is by chance.
Let me first dispel the idea of perfection. Human babies are born with deformities and disease. The earth has earthquakes, hurricanes and volcanoes, making it a volitile planet for life to survive. If a perfect being had intended for his creation to be perfect, and he has absolute power, he easilly could have solved that problem.
As for the complexity of the world, it didn't happen over night. It is the result of billions of years of evolution, and the elements.
Consider this: There are trillions of stars, that we know of. For each one, there are probably dozens of planets. In such a huge universe; it's almost inevitable, just by the law-of-large-numbers; that at least one of them, would bring together the elements needed to support life, at the right distance from its star.
Now, this explains how I believe that we came to be as we are; but why do I believe THIS, rather than the beliefs with which I grew up?: Well, I guess for that I'd have to answer that question with another question: do you believe in unicorns, or fairies? Do you believe in Athena, or Ra, or Odin? I'm guessing you don't. And you probably don't because you have no reason TO believe in them. The same is true of Yahweh. In the absence of reason to believe in a god, the logical decision is NOT to believe.
Could there be something beyond our understanding that holds the answers to these questions? I suppose so. Is it the "God" of the bible, as described in the bible? Certainly not. Just as early Christians moved beyond the simpler answers of paganism, it's time for us to move beyond the simple answers of the bible.
That doesn't mean we throw out the good in the bible - there are some answers in it that are so universal, and so obvious, that they should remain with mankind forever (love your neighbor as yourself, for instance).
Do believe human 'leaders' invented and indoctrinated people with concepts of gods and spirits to control the people. Therefore gods and spirits do exist as human ideas and believes in the brains of many people.