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How can someone be born a religion? Please explain.

L1 2012/07/20 19:46:49
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I thought and still think religious belief is a matter of choice. Babies and small children aren't able to make choices so how can they be born a religion? This concept puzzles me.
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  • beach bum 2012/07/25 11:48:37
    I think....
    beach bum
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    talk to them
  • L1 beach bum 2012/07/25 11:54:35
    L1
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    Maybe, but for me that's not an option- mine are both dead.
  • beach bum L1 2012/07/25 11:57:32
    beach bum
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    in every stone sleeps a crystal
    time is the answer
  • L1 beach bum 2012/07/25 11:59:35
    L1
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    Hmmm, not sure.... if you mean my parents, they both were extremely secretive....
  • beach bum L1 2012/07/25 12:01:05
    beach bum
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    well to wrap it up
    communication is key with family and relationships
  • L1 beach bum 2012/07/25 12:02:51
    L1
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    I cannot; I can't force anyone to tell me anything, and now even more when they are dead.
  • beach bum L1 2012/07/25 12:10:50
    beach bum
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    well if you are by yourself...um maybe seek a spiritual advisor
  • L1 beach bum 2012/07/25 12:19:31
    L1
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    Don't need to. I have my own beliefs; it is meant to be, it will be....
    And I'm ok with that....
  • beach bum L1 2012/07/25 12:24:04
  • L1 beach bum 2012/07/25 12:29:15
    L1
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    Not sure I believe in karma, but thank you...
  • beach bum L1 2012/07/25 12:30:34
    beach bum
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    we all have to travel a path in life....i hope you find yours
  • L1 beach bum 2012/07/25 12:31:59
    L1
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    I already did long ago, and it's the journey there more than the path...
  • Swan Eshdeh 2012/07/23 19:08:54
    I think....
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    well my parents are Muslims so am i
  • L1 Swan Es... 2012/07/24 01:21:30
    L1
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    Thanks for sharing your POV! =D
  • Swan Es... L1 2012/07/24 17:15:18
    Swan Eshdeh
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    you are welcome
  • Jasmine 2012/07/22 03:12:15
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    this is an excellent question!


    who decides their religion
  • L1 Jasmine 2012/07/22 22:34:19
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    Thanks! ++blushing+++ blushing
  • ben 2012/07/21 05:10:53
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    You can make a decision about a religion that's presented to you.. be it a family tradition or a strong preference
  • L1 ben 2012/07/21 05:11:51
    L1
    Good point. I wish all individuals had that freedom. Thanks for your input.
  • Tom R 007 2012/07/21 01:04:44
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    Everyone is born an atheist because atheist in it's true meaning is "without a belief in God". Some of them later might become anti-theists or "against a belief in God". I'm a Christian, but I have no problem with atheists. I was an atheist for 26 years and my family are still atheists. It's the anti-theists that I can't stand.
  • L1 Tom R 007 2012/07/21 04:54:58
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    I don't mind an-theists nor believers; it's those of any doctrine that try to ram their beliefs done my throat that I can't stand.
    I concur with statement. Thank you.
  • Tom R 007 L1 2012/07/21 05:03:25
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    Atheists usually just go about their business, but anti-theists start campaigns to try and end religion. I mean, I don't believe in leprechauns but I don't try and make people believe that they don't exist. I'm not going to write a book called "The Leprechaun Delusion", and put anti-leprechaun propaganda around the place. Because I don't believe in them, they're of no concern to me. If someone wants to believe in leprechauns I'm perfectly fine with it. And seeing as how I can't actually prove that they don't exist, then they're entitled to their own opinion.
  • L1 Tom R 007 2012/07/21 05:06:46
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    Oh, I know. I've met anti-theists that do what you've stated and more. I have no problem with anyone and their personal religious belief ( or lack of); it's the ones who try to force their own doctrine. They're no better than religious fundamentalists that try to do the same thing. They are the flip side of the same coin.
  • Tom R 007 L1 2012/07/21 05:07:47
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    Exactly. Extremists in any group are bad news!
  • L1 Tom R 007 2012/07/21 05:08:34
    L1
    You bet! They ruin it for the rest of us.
  • arkiii 2012/07/20 23:07:35
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    I think that people are born atheists. When you are young, you have no ideas about religion. you are taught and brought up in the religion of your family so depending on where you are born, you may be muslim, jew, buddist, catholic, or even scientologist....but nobody is born with religion in them.
  • L1 arkiii 2012/07/21 00:14:23
    L1
    I concur; I really don't like it when some people state that anyone is born into a religion.
  • Robbb 2012/07/20 21:35:08
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    I thought and still think religious belief is a matter of utter stupidity. Many children have their good senses corrupted by the simple minded ideas of their parents; they even have their genitals mutilated in different forms of blood sacrifices. This helps suck them in further as scarification and mutilation is used to make them feel they belong or are possessed by their religious community. The strength of religion is based in will of wanting to belong and a child is told, not asked where it belongs.
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  • L1 Robbb 2012/07/21 00:13:49
    L1
    Babies and children don't know any beliefs; they are taught that by their parents, family, and immediate community.
  • Robbb L1 2012/07/21 00:43:40
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    That is exactly what I am saying. Religion is a matter of indoctrination and ultimately, lack of good common sence.
  • Tom R 007 Robbb 2012/07/21 01:11:23
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    Bollocks! I'm a Christian and my entire family are atheist. I was an atheist for the first 26 years of my life. I'm certainly not utterly stupid, as you're suggesting, and I certainly wouldn't make a generalized statement about an entire group of people based on my own intolerance towards that group. There are intelligent Christians just as there are unintelligent atheists. Intelligence isn't a prerequisite for being an atheist, you know!
  • Robbb Tom R 007 2012/07/21 03:27:27
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    I am not intolerant towards religion I just think they are idiots. Their reasoning is insane and they indoctrinate their kids to think the same way. so what made you think that everyone on earth originated from 2 people that were created in a flash a few thousand years ago? and that they are your great grand parents? My wife is religious and sometimes I make fun of her. However so long as she leaves me out of her superstition we have no problem. Intelligence and stupid are different issues, Take Hitler for instance He was certainly intelligent but he was stupid at the same time and he had too much faith in what he believed. I don’t know about atheism though the whole idea of stating outright that there is no such thing as god because one is ignorant to the idea seems a bit arrogant. Personally I don’t know what is out there. But there is one thing for sure I will never be stupid enough to believe in the crap written in the Bible. You don’t even know who wrote most of it.
  • Tom R 007 Robbb 2012/07/21 03:52:01
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    "I am not intolerant towards religion I just think they are idiots", wow! Do you even know what intolerant means? You are making a sweeping generalisation about an entire group of people, most of whom you will never meet. How is it possible to say that they're idiots? Are you seriously suggesting that you know every single religious person on the planet? Because the only way that one could make that statement objectively would be if one could personally know every religious person on the planet as well as every religious person who has ever existed. Impossible.
    You, like most anti-theists seem to be lumping all religious people into one group. There is a difference between an intelligent Christian (which I know to a bigot like you may seem like an oxymoron) and a crazy fundamentalist Christian who believes every word of the Bible as fact. It is fact that ancient Hebrew literature and culture was heavy on allegory, which is why many Jews don't accept a literal translation of the Bible, and also why I don't accept a completely literal translation either. Try and be a little less judgmental.
  • Robbb Tom R 007 2012/07/21 07:13:29
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    I know what intolerant means and I tolerate lots of religious people, I think some of them are smart and some of them are not. I was speaking with a plumber that is working on one of my jobs yesterday and he mentioned that Ramadan is starting today for him and his family. I get along with him just fine and he knows how I feel about religion of any sort. The reason I can lump all religions into one foul heap is because they are all based on basically the same myth, and if you believe it there must be something wrong with the reasoning. As for interpretation, well if you recon you can make it up as you go and only use the source of your belief as a rough outline then it makes the whole thing even harder to understand. Did you realise that Jews and Muslims mutilate their children’s genitals in the name of religion, Try molesting a child in any other way and see what happens to you and those laws are not the result of religion. No I don’t have much time for religion or the shackles that it has put on the people of the world for far too long. And religion in the form of both the Muslims and the catholic church is still doing everything in its power to subjugate women, and promote intolerance and ignorance.
  • Tom R 007 Robbb 2012/07/21 07:27:40
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    If you're referring to circumcision when you say "mutilate their children's genitals", that is not necessarily a religious thing. In fact, it was very common (not sure if it is now) for boys to be circumcised whether their parents were religious or not. It was just what was done. I can assure you, as someone who has been circumcised and from an atheist family, that my genitals are far from mutilated.
    I can also assure you that there is nothing wrong with my reasoning. The human brain is finite and has a limited brain capacity, so it stands to reason that not everything is going to be able to be logically explained using the methods that our limited brains have developed. Therefore it's quite reasonable for me, as a human with a finite and limited brain, to believe in something beyond my comprehension.
    And I'm not talking about "making it up as I go along" I'm talking about reading it how it was originally intended to be read before the fundamentalists became an overly vocal minority.
  • Robbb Tom R 007 2012/07/21 10:45:18
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    How can you azure me of that when you are unable to judge what has been done to you. Believe me they are mutilated. Circumcision has always been a religious or cultural practice done by a minority of the world. The only places where it was done for so-called medical reasons was started during the Victorian era in a bid to stop boys from masturbating which during this puritanical time was blamed for a multitude of diseases. Ah good old religious ignorance at it again. And you are still saying that you can make it up as you go because you are unable to dream up another answer...
  • Tom R 007 Robbb 2012/07/21 11:24:20
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    Did you not read? I have been circumcised and my parents are atheist. It was extremely common around the time that I was born. As for a so called minority (in your words), Laumann et al. reported that the prevalence of circumcision among US-born males was approximately 70%, 80%, 85%, and 77% for those born in 1945, 1955, 1965, and 1971 respectively. Xu et al. reported that the prevalence of circumcision among US-born males was 91% for males born in the 1970s and 84% for those born in the 1980s. A report by the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality placed the 2005 national circumcision rate at 56%. Most recently, the Centers for Disease control used the Charge Data Master [CDM] from SDIHealth to estimate that 54.7% of American newborn males were circumcised in 2010 , and in Australia and New Zealand (my part of the world and a predominantly atheist society) 64% were circumcised in the 80s, which was the decade I was born. If you don't know anything about a subject, please do the world a favour and stop arguing about it. Ask any woman who's been with a lot of guys and she'll tell you that a lot are circumcised despite having no religious affiliation.
  • Robbb Tom R 007 2012/07/21 18:45:33
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    It was extremely common in the United States and to a lesser degree in other English speaking countries for the reason I explained. As I also mentioned that the circumcision that took place in the US were done ostensibly for reasons of health as a result of the anti masturbation fad that swept British medical circles during the Victorian era, revulsion that finds its roots in religion. Perhaps you should have a look at the following site,
    "The Rise and Fall of Circumcision in New Zealand" "http://www.circumstitions.co...
    If nothing else it makes interesting reading. note how the whole insane practice was originally begun by a religiously based attitude. Perhaps you should
    Check into this so that you can see the reasoning behind what was done to you as a result of religion. Circumcision finds its basis in religion; it is as simple as that. There is no legitimate medical or health related reasoning in the practice. Even female genital mutilation finds the roots of its reason in the religious importance of virginity. I see religion a tool that spreads intolerance and cruelty, A wolf in sheep’s clothing that harnesses the worst in people while speaking of love and peace. That isn’t to say however that I see all people that are religious as evil. I have a lot of friends and acquain...
    It was extremely common in the United States and to a lesser degree in other English speaking countries for the reason I explained. As I also mentioned that the circumcision that took place in the US were done ostensibly for reasons of health as a result of the anti masturbation fad that swept British medical circles during the Victorian era, revulsion that finds its roots in religion. Perhaps you should have a look at the following site,
    "The Rise and Fall of Circumcision in New Zealand" "http://www.circumstitions.co...
    If nothing else it makes interesting reading. note how the whole insane practice was originally begun by a religiously based attitude. Perhaps you should
    Check into this so that you can see the reasoning behind what was done to you as a result of religion. Circumcision finds its basis in religion; it is as simple as that. There is no legitimate medical or health related reasoning in the practice. Even female genital mutilation finds the roots of its reason in the religious importance of virginity. I see religion a tool that spreads intolerance and cruelty, A wolf in sheep’s clothing that harnesses the worst in people while speaking of love and peace. That isn’t to say however that I see all people that are religious as evil. I have a lot of friends and acquaintances that have a religious affiliation of one sort or another and are basically good people so far as I can tell. They are just deluded and conditioned by the environment they were reared in.
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  • Tom R 007 Robbb 2012/07/22 01:25:21 (edited)
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    I just think that the use of the word "mutilation" is completely ridiculous. Have you ever seen a circumcised penis? (don't worry, I won't send you a photo) There is nothing "mutilated" about it! In fact a lot of women love a guy with a circumcised penis. They think that it looks nicer and cleaner. Most guys you meet around my age HAVE be circumcised. When I was younger and I learned about the difference, I was actually glad that I was circumcised because, in my opinion, uncircumcised penises look stranger than circumcised penises. Although I guess, to be fair, all penises look strange, haha.
    I'm not denying that its basis is in religion, my point was that it isn't necessarily a religious practice. It even says in the New Testament that it isn't necessary.
    Please try not to make comments about religious people being deluded. You don't know every religious person. You don't know me and why I came to believe what I do. It was nothing at all to do with my environment. In fact, if you are going to put it down to environment as the reason then I should be an atheist.
  • Robbb Tom R 007 2012/07/22 02:59:59
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    As a matter of fact I have seen quite a few. But that hardly matters it does not change the fact that Mutilation or maiming is an act of physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body; sometimes causing death can you describe it as anything else. It involves the removal of a healthy, functioning part of the body. Some ethnic groups practice ritual mutilation, e.g. scarification, burning, flagellation, tattooing, circumcision or as part of a rite of passage. In some cases, the term may apply to treatment of dead bodies, such as soldiers mutilated after they have been killed by an enemy. I must admit though that I had never seen one until I was about 10 years old. Being from a Continental European background we tend to look at this practice as mutilation. My family immigrated to Australia from the Netherlands. I have looked into the circumcision question fairly rigorously and inside from religion no one has yet come up with a reason for doing it that can be considered honest reasoning never the if a person want to have a major part of their penis cut of that is fine with me but they should not do it when the person it is done to has no choice in the matter. As for my remarks concerning religion being a delusion I stand by it I know people and defin...
    As a matter of fact I have seen quite a few. But that hardly matters it does not change the fact that Mutilation or maiming is an act of physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body; sometimes causing death can you describe it as anything else. It involves the removal of a healthy, functioning part of the body. Some ethnic groups practice ritual mutilation, e.g. scarification, burning, flagellation, tattooing, circumcision or as part of a rite of passage. In some cases, the term may apply to treatment of dead bodies, such as soldiers mutilated after they have been killed by an enemy. I must admit though that I had never seen one until I was about 10 years old. Being from a Continental European background we tend to look at this practice as mutilation. My family immigrated to Australia from the Netherlands. I have looked into the circumcision question fairly rigorously and inside from religion no one has yet come up with a reason for doing it that can be considered honest reasoning never the if a person want to have a major part of their penis cut of that is fine with me but they should not do it when the person it is done to has no choice in the matter. As for my remarks concerning religion being a delusion I stand by it I know people and definitely one person that was born again so to speak and it was the best thing that could have happened to him It changed his life and his families life for the better and I wish him well. But he is still delusional if he thinks that the nonsense in the bible or any other holy fairytale gives a real answer. Yes it is full of tales that exemplify how a good person should behave, however it is also full of the tales that re responsible for the gore and terror that has always made the world a frightening place for so many people. I am not an Atheist I am an agnostic, atheists think they know what is correct I think I don’t know but I am pretty sure the answer does not exist in any of the religions. You are right I don’t know every religious person and I will take them as they come I will like and respect what I see as the positives in some and on the other hand I will dislike and avoid others we all judge whether we like it or not.
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